surreal1272

Did you look in the mirror when you said "narrow minds"? Again, it is not relevant to capitalism in the U.S. when you bring up a subject NOT RELATED to capitalism in the U.S. All you are trying to do is deflect because you were triggered by my post. Again, if you want to talk about Muslim slave holding nations, start a thread about it but it has jack $h! to do with what is being discussed here. BTW, Greece wasn't related to the subject either but it didn't stop you from bringing it up the first chance you got (a point you later denied making).

@FordCosworth--The lesson here is, context is your friend. Guess some people are easily triggered just by expressing a simple opinion.

Not applicable because none of those you mention are CAPITALIST societies. Did you forget that is what we were talking about about? Did you forget that the point of supporting capitalism was to illustrate how much better this country was than those Muslim societies you clearly dislike? Did that simple fact somehow slip that bigoted mind of yours? Your disdain for muslims aside (while excusing centuries of the same damn thing done by Christians), stick to the subject which was the pros and cons of capitalism vs socialism. I pointed out to hyper6 that the first 150 years of this country's capitalist success comes with huge caveats. It's simple history that apparently you don't get. You want to talk about all those other societies done in by Muslim rule? Start a thread about but that was not what was being talked about here. BTW, what is your trick for determining "white guilt" and a "condescending attitude"? Is it connected to the actual words being said or who said them. Seems like the latter to me. He only brings up other BS because who made the posts though Drew It really has nothing to do with the subject hence him trying to point out my "condescending attitude" and my "white guilt". For the record, I have no white guilt. That's just a term made up by flaky liberals and twisted by shortsighted conservatives who wouldn't know guilt if it slapped them upside the head with a brick. I simply understand the history better than him because I do not see it as a black and white issue where as he gets hung up on anything Muslim.

@hyperv6--You spoke of the 150 years of pure capitalism building this country prior to the New Deal. Does that include the same capitalism responsible for the railroad industry that ran rough shod accross this country, displacing Native Americans while being built by Chinese and Mexican slave labor? How about our vast agriculture that was made successful by African American slave labor? Or how about the budding industrial revolution which led to such fine labor practices such as child labor and Irish slave labor? I can go on if you'd like but I am curious as to which part of early American capitalism should we owe our "success"? This country was built by economic tyrants. We won't even get into you Puritan statements since Drew covered the bases there. f@#king puritans, a group so uptight that England said "get the f@#k out".

Well said but I don't know why the middle quote had me as who said it lol. I know who you were talking to though.

Shall I list the long list of side effects of capitalism? Shall I also point out the fallacy of continuing to equate you (and your family's) experience with the other 330 million people in this country as the be all, end all of pointing out the superiority of capitalism? For the record, this is the black and white line of thinking I am talking about and honestly it is not even worth any more of my time to discuss it with people who continue to see that way, no matter what they are told. I will say this. I love how you think people can only build a successful business in a purely capitalist environment. Guess all those successful businesspeople in Europe are just pathetic loserrs who don't know anything about hard work because they happen to live in a socialist country.

That's the gray area I was speaking of but too many folks think it is a matter of simple black and white. It isn't and has never been that simple.

There is nothing personal. Just nothing the views being espoused by certain posters, escpecially ones who seem incapable of seeing any gray area in the subject. Nothing less, nothing more. If you interpreted that as me taking it personal, then you are wrong.

All I know is that there sure are some sensitive and rather sanctimonious folks here in regards to any criticism of capitalism while they can seemingly dish it out freely towards anything not related to capitalism. Simply astounding.

Bear in mind that for all of Hondas success stories, hybrids are not one of them.

No offense but so many words yet so little said. My point is that it is wreckless on your part to assume the stance of posters here just because they "espouse" certain views. I can say that everyone deserves a shot at a decent education but that doesn't make me a socialist. That makes me a caring human being.

I had reference that it was from organized religion but had to verify that was indeed a catholic thing. Nothing really to add to it becuase I don't believe in organized religion. 35 years in the Bible Belt turned me off of it long ago. And it is the fault of religion and man since man created religion to hold dominion over the weak and the powerless. Just my two cents and that is a subject for another time since it is unrelated to this thread.

That would be the king of all thieves, the Catholic Church.

You sure are making a lot of assumptions about who wants government to run everything (no one has said that they want the government to run their lives btw). Also questionable are these capitalism safeguards. When the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer, then clearly those "safeguards" are a little skewed in one direction.

His acts and ways that he destroyed that country had nothing to do with socialism. It was socialism in name only because that was the platform he was trying to sell when he really only wanted it for himself. BTW, I am not advocating socialism here but to say that Venezuela failed because of it is being grossly misinformed. It has worked for some countries and has not worked for others, much the same as capitalism. No one system is perfect nor the be all to end all.

To call Venezuela a purely socialist country is a bit misleading and a misnomer. It was for decades controlled by a power hungry dictator who bled the system dry and tried to "nationalize" every industry under a single umbrella while using his power to intimidate and dismiss his detractors and enemies. Ever since Chavez, the country has struggled to recover from his actions. That country was about as socialist as Cuba. To compare it to a "certain socialist country in the EU" is very much an apples to oranges comparison when you understand what has happened there over the last thirty years. http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/ways-chavez-destroyed-venezuelan-economy/story?id=18239956 http://www.news.com.au/world/south-america/an-australian-venezuelan-speaks-how-hugo-chavez-totally-ruined-my-country/news-story/7e47152c9573dc7e4db88899d03dd89c None of this is the direct result of socialism. It is a direct result of a failed cesspot dictator.

The head on collision will be both sad and epic!

Any "best interior" list that includes a Mini is not to be trusted lol. Worst ergonomics out there.

Understood. Having worked in behavioral health for years, I'm a little more open about calling it as I see it lol!

Oh no. He was mental and I have quite a few old PMs to back that up but we can agree to disagree here. I'll just say good riddance.

"Crossing the line" doesn't even begin to describe it. He is mental.

I am very much not a British car fan overall (reliability reasons) but the XJ is the best looking full size luxury car out there. Just love the look.

Certainly understandable but neither one would be a bad choice IMO.

With that DOHC V8 coming soon, I don't think they will be resting for long. The Slade is too big of a cash cow to let that happen but you are exactly right regarding sales.

I don't even want to be around anyone who does that much less ride in the same car as them. Just hell no!