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Fiat News: Marchionne Still Dreams of A FCA-GM Merger
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Fiat
Sorry but I'm still not convinced. They have updated plants for years prior to this and still have the same unreliable cars coming out of there. Sorry but again, the burden of proof that they won't be the same piles they have always been is on them. When that car has been out a year or two with no major issues, then we can talk. Until then, I stand by my view of them.- 114 replies
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Fiat News: Marchionne Still Dreams of A FCA-GM Merger
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Fiat
Using the same people, same corporate structure, and same assembly and manufacturing they have used on every car. It Giulia will not be unique to this. That is my point.- 114 replies
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Fiat News: Marchionne Still Dreams of A FCA-GM Merger
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Fiat
Except it's not. They are using the same assembly and manufacturing they have used for years, which has always been the core problem with their quality or lack thereof. Sorry but history absolutely comes into play here and Fiat and Alfa have to prove that their history of junk is just that, history. Until then, they are junk.- 114 replies
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Fiat News: Marchionne Still Dreams of A FCA-GM Merger
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Fiat
Keep trying to compare that until the cows come home but the problem with Fiat and Alfa is not just their powertrains and platforms (old or new) but their manufacturing and assembly in general and this is well known to anyone with a computer. They have had problems and Europe for decades and they are bringing those problems over here.- 114 replies
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Fiat News: Marchionne Still Dreams of A FCA-GM Merger
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Fiat
Never said that and you are putting words in my mouth which needs to stop. Since you brought it up though let's go there. Yes the Vette had some problems (mostly the heat soak issues). However, they don't have decades of history with problems throughout their entire lineup like Fiat and Alfa. It's not even comparable unless you just want to keep riding that excuse horse to death.- 114 replies
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Fiat News: Marchionne Still Dreams of A FCA-GM Merger
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Fiat
You do understand that while, yes preproduction cars will have some issue, that I never seen a case where three different cars of the same exact model had multiple and different issues? That's the key here. Multiple issues across three different cars of the same model. Show me another case of that and then you may have a point.- 114 replies
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Fiat News: Marchionne Still Dreams of A FCA-GM Merger
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Fiat
The proof says that Ford and GM are both more reliable than FCA overall and that has been the case for years and even decades. Regarding Alfa, you can say things like "new platform" and such but when the early test drives are already finding problems with MULTIPLE cars, then the mountain evidence is just a bit too much to ignore. Alfa is garbage in ways Ford and GM never were even in their worst years. Again, there is literally a mountain of evidence to support this. Oh and if you think Jaguars were worse under Ford, then you clearly have never had to maintain a Jaguar from the 1980s and 90s. Absolutely garbage.- 114 replies
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Fiat News: Marchionne Still Dreams of A FCA-GM Merger
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Fiat
On the flip side, you have shown nothing that proves that Fiat/Alfa are anything close to reliable cars. All the evidence points to the contrary so the burden of proof clearly falls on you to show that they are not unreliable piles.- 114 replies
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Fiat News: Marchionne Still Dreams of A FCA-GM Merger
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Fiat
With all of his merger talk and subsequent shoot downs, Sergio is like the kid that keeps punching himself in the nuts and expecting it to no longer hurt. How is this man in charge of anything?- 114 replies
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Doesn't really bother me anymore but I understand the issue. The strange thing is that it has been very up and down this "winter" to me. 50s one week and 70s and 80s the next and back down to the 50s again. Mother Nature is clearly off her meds. LOL! Sure thing! I used to not mind the snow until I started having to to go work in the mess, which meant sharing the roads with people who absolutely can not drive in it nor should they. I lived in Prescott, AZ for five years (about 90 minutes north of here in the high mountains) and had to drive 25 miles one way to work (graveyard shift on top of that) and it was no fun when it snowed (and Prescott gets it pretty good most winters) and here I was driving a RWD Magnum. It did awesome in it but only because I drove with some common sense lol. As a result though, I have hung up my snow shoes and will not miss it. It wasn't good on my aching joints and bones (old fart diseases I guess).
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Horrendous. That's really the only word I have to describe this car.
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It's about the shape though. It's like comparing the sloped back cargo hold of an FX35 with a more traditional layout like a 4-Runner. It's not always about sheer cubic feet. It's how it's distributed.
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Chevrolet News:Rumorpile: Dont Fret. A New Camaro Z/28 is Coming
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Chevrolet
Like I told him though, they are not nor do they need to be. Each company has it's own business model and right now, GMs is working just fine overall (not that there aren't some issues mind you, just to be clear here). VW is not the company I would aspire to given their problems as of late. VW is not more spread out. They have a ton of overlap with Audi accross the board, save for the most expensive Audis. You can't even count Porsche, Bugatti, and Lamborghini in this mix since they were established brands that VW merely funneled cash into to keep them solvent. Now that you mention it though, VW has overlap with Porsche too (Touareg and Cayenne) so that puts another dent in your spread out argument. Again, overall what GM is doing is working for them and they are looking at ways to expand their top tier cars, since they are pure profit machines so your overall argument just isn't carrying much weight here. -
Chevrolet News:Rumorpile: Dont Fret. A New Camaro Z/28 is Coming
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Chevrolet
No. The Metris line was it's own lineup that only recently got the priviledge of being sold next to $100K S-Class cars. Oh and who owns Smart btw? Furthermore, VW and the Phaeton is a terrible example. It failed because it was essentially a VW A8 for an A8 price. It's doesn't take a genius to figure out why that wouldn't work. The Camaro and Vette do not suffer form that at all within the GM family. They have no counterparts in Cadillac so there is no overlap or confusion. This is why your initial comparison does not work nor apply here. GM is nothing like the VW lineup, nothing. -
Chevrolet News:Rumorpile: Dont Fret. A New Camaro Z/28 is Coming
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Chevrolet
Two totally different scenarios and you know it. You're just trying to come up with excuses to bash yet another GM product. And if if you want to talk price points, what the hell is up with Benz? They sell $200k+ cars on the same lot as $32k cars and sub $30k vans. See, your logic for everyone else gets turned on it's ear when you throw Benz into that mix. -
I apologize for nothing lol and I agree with the strategy being taken here. It's just good business sense for Porsche and it costs very little to do compared to all their other endeavors. Except the wagon actually gives it more space which is never a bad thing. The sloped back of the current Panamera limits what you can load back there.
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Oh I like a bunch of different cars and I don't like all the all ones. For example, I would set fire to an Aztek and would take a Barrett 50 BMG to a Juke before I'd ever sit in one. I do have an admitted weakness for wagons so it is what it is lol.
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I know I'm the weirdo in this regard, but I like this a lot.
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Chevrolet News:Rumorpile: Dont Fret. A New Camaro Z/28 is Coming
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Chevrolet
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Chevrolet News:Rumorpile: Dont Fret. A New Camaro Z/28 is Coming
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Chevrolet
Weak excuse as Cadillacs are not sold in the same showroom and offer plenty that Chevys do not. The Corvette is also on the way up as well making your argument even more null. -
Chevrolet News:Rumorpile: Dont Fret. A New Camaro Z/28 is Coming
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in Chevrolet
Flat plane crank engines existed long before Ford made it a catchphrase. It's still a bad ass engine on the GT350R but it is not the first. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/flat-plane-silliness-how-crankshaft-press-release-duped-stephen-kim -
On a much more positive note, I am so looking forward to my first whole weekend off in over a month. Clear skies and 80 degrees of pure perfection to look forward to. Going to work on my RAV4 interior project a little more with more pictures to come. @dfelt I actually did manage to get the cig lighter hooked up in a better spot but I need to correct some cosmetic work before I'll be happy with it. Almost done with all of it.