surreal1272

You are the one that said only trolls give a "phoque". Drew also expressed concerns about Ford and the publications, hence me asking you if you think Drew is a troll since you seem to think only trolls give a "phoque". That's not me putting words in your mouth. That is me asking you a legitimate question.

So is Drew a troll? I say that because he also expressed concern about Fords tactics.

Whomever did this should be flogged in public!

So you'll make the claim but don't provide any real counter to what I'm saying? Well, you sure convinced me. Me thinks you need to just stop bringing your sour grapes from there to here especially when you only want to present one side of the situation. There were conspiracy theories galore from Ford fans such as yourself about about MT rigging the comparo even though they declared the Mutsang the winner. Seriously, Costco must have been wiped out of tinfoil that day. Again, you cannot deny those facts which is why you have resorted to these simple one liners. Deny the facts? I don't need to counter your attack comments from M/T. Again missing the point. Btw, I have not denied my role over there. You, on the other hand, have come up with one excuse after another why Ford fans are not to blame for their role in it. But I digress.

Anyway, I believe the subject is about Fords problem with MT.

So you'll make the claim but don't provide any real counter to what I'm saying? Well, you sure convinced me. Me thinks you need to just stop bringing your sour grapes from there to here especially when you only want to present one side of the situation. There were conspiracy theories galore from Ford fans such as yourself about about MT rigging the comparo even though they declared the Mutsang the winner. Seriously, Costco must have been wiped out of tinfoil that day. Again, you cannot deny those facts which is why you have resorted to these simple one liners.

Really? How so? You're claiming they were attacked left and right while ignoring the reasons why so let's hear the counter instead just stating one little sentence.

So you've already declared victory from a figure 8 test Why not? Ford fans had no problem with the Eco boost Stang victory a few weeks ago in which it beat the Camaro in the figure eight but not in straight line speed. Btw, I'm not calling it victory. Just offering a different perspective. I just went a read that M/T write up and those Ford Fans were attacked left, right and centre for that - and I might add a few of those attack trolls frequent here too. 100% not the point and you know that. Guess you also skimmed over the fact that most of those Ford fans caught hell because they were going on nonstop about cheap gas in the Stang when that was never the case. Also skimmed over is the fact there is at least one Ford fan here who went just as nutty on the SS long term arrival You cannot deny that simple fact but again that is not the point here. My point has been clearly made.

Well said CP.

Dude....we've already mentioned why the GT350 costs as much as it does... The LT1 engine has Vette sales and truck sales to offset the price tag.... The Voodoo is a one-off special edition engine... QUIT the BS about price tags... The GT350's sound alone is worth the price of admission. Ive said this before... magazine performance numbers are only good for arm chair racers much like your self.... Have YOU raced a GT350 and a Camaro SS or 1LE to concur your obvious strong opinion that you hold? Prolly not! You hold MT on a high pedestal yet denounce Car and Driver's findings for the GT350 cherry picking... What are MT's motives for calling out Ford for a Focus RS? They did not get their freebies from Ford? Then they threaten... You havent yet given a valid reason....only to point the finger at Ford... THAT is very silly and foolish of you... Sorry but a sweet engine not does not justify a high price on any car especially if that's the only reason to do so.

So you've already declared victory from a figure 8 test Why not? Ford fans had no problem with the Eco boost Stang victory a few weeks ago in which it beat the Camaro in the figure eight but not in straight line speed. Btw, I'm not calling it victory. Just offering a different perspective.

Very good news for them here and abroad although there is still much that needs to be done in Europe. This is also a direct result of reducing their dependency on rental sales while increasing their retail sales. http://www.motortrend.com/news/gm-posts-strong-q2-results-net-income-157-percent/

It is. And it's childish of Ford to not do it. Playing Devils Advocate, but if you were a company and you felt that some specific media / news outlets were being a bit heavy handed about some brands and a free pass to others and you felt you might not get a fair shake would you not also decide to ignore or decline those companies that you perceive to not be fair? I admit it is hard for humans period to be impartial and non-judgemental, but I think most of us find Consumer Reports to be very Asian Biased in comparison to American auto's. Why is this and is it due to what the American companies have done or some other reason? Point being, I agree with you and others that Ford seems to be taking a low road to pettiness. I think if you believe in your product you will stand up for it no matter how the review is and use said reviews to make your products better. With that said, I do not blame a company from not wanting to waste resources on a bias comparison that will not be at least equal if not gain something from it. That's the thing though. There is no evidence of said bias and given that Ford is doing this to more than one publication, it seems to contradict any bias claims unless they are paranoid enough to believe that all concerned are biased. And that Surreal is why I am playing Devils Advocate! Is this just Ford being Paranoid or is there a bigger issue with the magazines. We have all hear Drew talk about these auto mags feeling what I would call ENTITLED! This makes one wonder........... Oh I see what you're saying and I can see it in some cases. I just don't think there is a solid case for it in Fords case though.

It is. And it's childish of Ford to not do it. Playing Devils Advocate, but if you were a company and you felt that some specific media / news outlets were being a bit heavy handed about some brands and a free pass to others and you felt you might not get a fair shake would you not also decide to ignore or decline those companies that you perceive to not be fair? I admit it is hard for humans period to be impartial and non-judgemental, but I think most of us find Consumer Reports to be very Asian Biased in comparison to American auto's. Why is this and is it due to what the American companies have done or some other reason? Point being, I agree with you and others that Ford seems to be taking a low road to pettiness. I think if you believe in your product you will stand up for it no matter how the review is and use said reviews to make your products better. With that said, I do not blame a company from not wanting to waste resources on a bias comparison that will not be at least equal if not gain something from it. That's the thing though. There is no evidence of said bias and given that Ford is doing this to more than one publication, it seems to contradict any bias claims unless they are paranoid enough to believe that all concerned are biased.

So I'm wondering. Did Ford's stock go up after this "report"?

You just had someone here tell you that MT is not the only site/publication that Ford has pissed off yet you insist this is all about MTs antics which, if you ask me, are 100% justified. Can't be everyone else's fault when they are telling you the same issues they are having with ONE company.

Seems kind of silly to blame MT for the fact that Ford won't give them a real test car.

When your own thread did this because of you

Says the Ford fan. I rest my case. How exactly is he a Ford fan? Good grief man. Why be an ass about everything? He just tarred all car mags with the same brush of bias and owns a Ford, but you choose to throw shade on me for being an ass. Get outta here with that crap What the hell ever man. I have backed you when you said something relevant and legit. Sorry but this is not one of those times. Who gives two $h!s what he says about the magazines? He is right to a point and it's actually you that is trying to tar him with the same brush you do actual Ford fanboys (He has an Acura too so I guess that makes him a big ole' Acura fanboy too?), of which he is clearly not. Get yourself out of here with that bull$h! if you can't see the obviousness of your error. BTW, not one Ford was on the COTY list for 2016 so there went that little theory as well.

The 2 Series is bigger and RWD so it really doesn't have much in common with the 1 other than "replacing" it.The 135i was RWD as wellMy bad. Just saw that. Why in the hell would they go the Mercedes route and dumb it down to FWD?On a side note, Make one little error and three people are there to pounce right on it. RWD. Got it. lol sorry... but in all fairness..i was the first.. ..CAFE.. but then again it is only for the Chinese market so who really gives a $h! here? I don't.. It's a business after all and they have to support the sporty stuff we like somehow. Sell the junk to the country that makes our junk and junk cars.. haha Lol you sure were! I just have no emotional connection to BMWs at all, save for two cars I had the privilege of driving for drunk friends (2007 7 Series and an M5). Nice rides but I would not wish the long term headaches on my worst enemy.

The Camaro beat out the Mustang for COTY? He never said that. It's easy to deduce what is meant here is that the year before, the Mustang did not get COTY while the Camaro did the next year.

Says the Ford fan. I rest my case. How exactly is he a Ford fan? Good grief man. Why be an ass about everything?

The 2 Series is bigger and RWD so it really doesn't have much in common with the 1 other than "replacing" it. The 135i was RWD as well My bad. Just saw that. Why in the hell would they go the Mercedes route and dumb it down to FWD?On a side note, Make one little error and three people are there to pounce right on it. RWD. Got it.

The 2 Series is bigger and RWD so it really doesn't have much in common with the 1 other than "replacing" it.

Here is the offers in my zip code 98034 and no cash on camaro, but cash on Corvette and SS. July2016PNW-Offers.jpg That's the exact same "deal" they are running on Camaros here. Proof can be a powerful thing as opposed to just saying it's so.