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Nah, they don't need to. The only real reasons they need to is to appease fanboys like yourself that are so stuck on one or two tenths of a second on one or two performence measurements. Good lord. Children caring about "votes" again. Grow a sack.Excuse me? It was posted as a simple observation. Caring has not jack $h! to do with it ccap.

Maybe because that is a different subject that perhaps you should start your own thread with. So all that Camaro and Mustang talk in this thread is what exactly? And I noticed you didn't mention anything to ones partaking in the Mustang/Camaro talk about starting a thread Don't care. I am merely suggesting it now. You can just stop with the deflecting bull$h! because I'm not buying it.For the record though, that discussion was brought up by the OP as further proof of Fords beef with MT. Proper context is your friend. Guess you also didn't notice that I put Bong on blast for his Ford fanboy remarks towards Olds either. Face it. You're not mad because of what was said or not said. You're mad because of who said them. My suggestion to you is to get over it. Face it.....you obviously care. This is your second reply to the fact. And no I'm not mad. I'm lol at your wannabe mod tactics of telling others what to do. Get over yourself. First off, it was merely a suggestion because Drew has already put his foot down on the deflection tactics. Second, and this is most important part, let me clarify my "don't care" remark. I don't care about your feelings at all. It had no bearing on your actual remark itself. Again, context. Your bitching about what I didn't say to someone else is what a kid says to their parents. "Well, you didn't tell Johnny he couldn't do that so why can't I?" Seriously.

Maybe because that is a different subject that perhaps you should start your own thread with. So all that Camaro and Mustang talk in this thread is what exactly? And I noticed you didn't mention anything to ones partaking in the Mustang/Camaro talk about starting a thread Don't care. I am merely suggesting it now. You can just stop with the deflecting bull$h! because I'm not buying it.For the record though, that discussion was brought up by the OP as further proof of Fords beef with MT. Proper context is your friend. Guess you also didn't notice that I put Bong on blast for his Ford fanboy remarks towards Olds either. Face it. You're not mad because of what was said or not said. You're mad because of who said them. My suggestion to you is to get over it.

Your conclusion is logically incorrect. You're confusing ANECDOTAL with empirical. Offer genuine evidence or move along, because you're technically derailing a thread that isn't supposed to be a debate about the merits of pokemon go, certainly not a place for people to bash it unjustifiably. You haven't even debated my primary points of contention. Yes I have. Maybe you should just watch the news sometime proving the obliviousness of some these "players". That is all the empirical evidence I need. You are just ignoring them because it does suit your stance on it and if you think that "socializing" around a game is actually somehow better than real human interaction, it is you that needs to get a clue here. Like I said, if folks want to play the game, more power to them but let's not act delusional over it like you are doing here. Oh and you don't get to tell me to move along just I disagree with you. No one forced you to respond to my post and if you don't like that, then maybe it's you that should move along. That is all.

Maybe because that is a different subject that perhaps you should start your own thread with.

Don't get me wrong CP. it's great that it's gets some lazy folks off their asses but also contributes to a further obliviousness to the real world, such as actually talking to people. The fact that someone needs a game to make this happen is a perfect reflection of the sadness that is society these days. Sorry but no one will change my mind on this so I'll just leave it at this. Be careful out there.

Anything substantive? Are you serious? Man, I see it everyday when these people come into my store, completely oblivious to their surroundings. I literally passed a girl in her VW playing the game WHILE SHE WAS DRIVING! There was a story just the other day of some moron running into a cop car because why? Because he was playing that game. How about instead of advocating social interaction through a damn game, we advocate those same people actually put down the damn phone for more than minute and actually engage with those same people? Empirical evidence literally contradicts your claim.

Good grief x2 I wasn't pushing anything nor was I giving you or him a hard time. I asked a simple question. Nothing more, nothing less. Moving along....

Sorry but this "hey it's gets kids outside" argument is a crock. Kids were already going outside with their damn phones, only now they're burying their faces in their phones hunting for imaginary creatures as opposed to Facebook, snapchat, or Twitter. Now, they are just targets on the road because they are too damn hyper focused on their phones.

So you can't answer a legitimate question. Thanks for the vote confirming that. Good grief.

I don't know but that should be a felony to do that to a car like that.

You are the one that said only trolls give a "phoque". Drew also expressed concerns about Ford and the publications, hence me asking you if you think Drew is a troll since you seem to think only trolls give a "phoque". That's not me putting words in your mouth. That is me asking you a legitimate question.

So is Drew a troll? I say that because he also expressed concern about Fords tactics.

Whomever did this should be flogged in public!

So you'll make the claim but don't provide any real counter to what I'm saying? Well, you sure convinced me. Me thinks you need to just stop bringing your sour grapes from there to here especially when you only want to present one side of the situation. There were conspiracy theories galore from Ford fans such as yourself about about MT rigging the comparo even though they declared the Mutsang the winner. Seriously, Costco must have been wiped out of tinfoil that day. Again, you cannot deny those facts which is why you have resorted to these simple one liners. Deny the facts? I don't need to counter your attack comments from M/T. Again missing the point. Btw, I have not denied my role over there. You, on the other hand, have come up with one excuse after another why Ford fans are not to blame for their role in it. But I digress.

Anyway, I believe the subject is about Fords problem with MT.

So you'll make the claim but don't provide any real counter to what I'm saying? Well, you sure convinced me. Me thinks you need to just stop bringing your sour grapes from there to here especially when you only want to present one side of the situation. There were conspiracy theories galore from Ford fans such as yourself about about MT rigging the comparo even though they declared the Mutsang the winner. Seriously, Costco must have been wiped out of tinfoil that day. Again, you cannot deny those facts which is why you have resorted to these simple one liners.

Really? How so? You're claiming they were attacked left and right while ignoring the reasons why so let's hear the counter instead just stating one little sentence.

So you've already declared victory from a figure 8 test Why not? Ford fans had no problem with the Eco boost Stang victory a few weeks ago in which it beat the Camaro in the figure eight but not in straight line speed. Btw, I'm not calling it victory. Just offering a different perspective. I just went a read that M/T write up and those Ford Fans were attacked left, right and centre for that - and I might add a few of those attack trolls frequent here too. 100% not the point and you know that. Guess you also skimmed over the fact that most of those Ford fans caught hell because they were going on nonstop about cheap gas in the Stang when that was never the case. Also skimmed over is the fact there is at least one Ford fan here who went just as nutty on the SS long term arrival You cannot deny that simple fact but again that is not the point here. My point has been clearly made.

Well said CP.

Dude....we've already mentioned why the GT350 costs as much as it does... The LT1 engine has Vette sales and truck sales to offset the price tag.... The Voodoo is a one-off special edition engine... QUIT the BS about price tags... The GT350's sound alone is worth the price of admission. Ive said this before... magazine performance numbers are only good for arm chair racers much like your self.... Have YOU raced a GT350 and a Camaro SS or 1LE to concur your obvious strong opinion that you hold? Prolly not! You hold MT on a high pedestal yet denounce Car and Driver's findings for the GT350 cherry picking... What are MT's motives for calling out Ford for a Focus RS? They did not get their freebies from Ford? Then they threaten... You havent yet given a valid reason....only to point the finger at Ford... THAT is very silly and foolish of you... Sorry but a sweet engine not does not justify a high price on any car especially if that's the only reason to do so.

So you've already declared victory from a figure 8 test Why not? Ford fans had no problem with the Eco boost Stang victory a few weeks ago in which it beat the Camaro in the figure eight but not in straight line speed. Btw, I'm not calling it victory. Just offering a different perspective.

Very good news for them here and abroad although there is still much that needs to be done in Europe. This is also a direct result of reducing their dependency on rental sales while increasing their retail sales. http://www.motortrend.com/news/gm-posts-strong-q2-results-net-income-157-percent/

It is. And it's childish of Ford to not do it. Playing Devils Advocate, but if you were a company and you felt that some specific media / news outlets were being a bit heavy handed about some brands and a free pass to others and you felt you might not get a fair shake would you not also decide to ignore or decline those companies that you perceive to not be fair? I admit it is hard for humans period to be impartial and non-judgemental, but I think most of us find Consumer Reports to be very Asian Biased in comparison to American auto's. Why is this and is it due to what the American companies have done or some other reason? Point being, I agree with you and others that Ford seems to be taking a low road to pettiness. I think if you believe in your product you will stand up for it no matter how the review is and use said reviews to make your products better. With that said, I do not blame a company from not wanting to waste resources on a bias comparison that will not be at least equal if not gain something from it. That's the thing though. There is no evidence of said bias and given that Ford is doing this to more than one publication, it seems to contradict any bias claims unless they are paranoid enough to believe that all concerned are biased. And that Surreal is why I am playing Devils Advocate! Is this just Ford being Paranoid or is there a bigger issue with the magazines. We have all hear Drew talk about these auto mags feeling what I would call ENTITLED! This makes one wonder........... Oh I see what you're saying and I can see it in some cases. I just don't think there is a solid case for it in Fords case though.

It is. And it's childish of Ford to not do it. Playing Devils Advocate, but if you were a company and you felt that some specific media / news outlets were being a bit heavy handed about some brands and a free pass to others and you felt you might not get a fair shake would you not also decide to ignore or decline those companies that you perceive to not be fair? I admit it is hard for humans period to be impartial and non-judgemental, but I think most of us find Consumer Reports to be very Asian Biased in comparison to American auto's. Why is this and is it due to what the American companies have done or some other reason? Point being, I agree with you and others that Ford seems to be taking a low road to pettiness. I think if you believe in your product you will stand up for it no matter how the review is and use said reviews to make your products better. With that said, I do not blame a company from not wanting to waste resources on a bias comparison that will not be at least equal if not gain something from it. That's the thing though. There is no evidence of said bias and given that Ford is doing this to more than one publication, it seems to contradict any bias claims unless they are paranoid enough to believe that all concerned are biased.