surreal1272

Don’t worry. As it was already pointed out to you, 75% of them do. But I thought this was the best or nothing? They are not supposed to be like GM and Chevy. This is a luxury make selling work vans on the same lot, a pass you sure as $h! would not let Cadillac have if Chevy Sparks were sold right next to Escalades. Save the fake outrage and “who cares” defense because clearly you did care, as evidenced by your nonstop defense of an obvious lie.

And that has zero bearing on whether the EQS will sell well. ZERO bearing. BTW, they would have a bigger base if it was a CUV/SUV instead of a sedan that already looks ten years old on the outside. And preaching the $100K defense rings a little hollow when the ATP is, again, lower than Cadillac and their one $100K model. Yet you were just on here acting like it was only a minority of dealers doing this. How’d that blond assumption work out for you? Sorry but your entire defense of them while trolling yet another domestic thread is just old, dumb, and full of basic lies. Just sit this one out.

Your denial is astounding. For the record, all three Phoenix AZ dealerships sell vans right alongside their “luxury” cars. The one in my hometown in NC also sells them side by side.

And lets just skip the part where NASCAR drivers don’t even have to use the clutch pedal to shift. Not exactly “old school” driving there, much like the sequential ones touted are “old school” manuals. If it doesn’t involved BOTH the left foot and the right hand to shift, then it’s not a true manual IMO.

If it is so much faster than a automatic, then why did Formula 1 remove full auto transmissions, along with lunch and traction control, almost 15 years ago so that drivers would not have an unfair advantage? Clearly someone thought having an automatic had an advantage.

I want the Zephyr to succeed but history does not suggest it, is my concern here. Ev or not, luxury folks just won't give the domestics a second look when comes to sedans, outside of the Tesla cult. That could change and I hope it does but I just don't see it currently.

Outside of the Zephyr, Lincoln seems to have a good plan together and they will need to hit all the marks because it is a big gamble given their current “volume”. Now is the time to do it though because they have shown that they are finally ready to get serious again about the luxury market, with strong offerings like the new Navigator and the Aviator.

Yet you seem to think the EQS SEDAN will sell well because….

He has tried to pass off that BS before while forgetting that folks here have eyes. I know for a fact that the largest Benz dealership had vans right next to their cars and I showed him pictures of this. He also wants to sidestep the fact that he is using those SAME VANS to tout Benz overall sales figures while dismissing those same vans because they being down the ATP of Benz. It’s just regular misguided fanboy logic, no matter how he tried to paint it. @smk4565—This BS stops today. Here is a current street view shot of Mercedes Benz at Arrowhead (Peoria, AZ). Take a good long look at their inventory and then apologize for your obvious yet oft repeated mistake.

Oh shut up with the high price=luxury nonsense. Skip the part where the G Wagon is that expensive because it’s low volume AND hand built. Skip the fact that the Navigator is routinely reviewed as being better than even the current Escalade, which has been continually handing Benz its ass in sales for years now. Skip the fact that Benz is higher priced in general (despite their lower then Cadillac ATP) because they are imports here. See where this is going yet? Just put the damn Pom poms down. I guess, based on your logic, that a G Wagon is not stepping up to the luxury SUV game itself when there are others that cost $100K MORE. That’s why your price argument is just dumb.

Big talk for a fan of the “Best or Nothing” brand.

What's laughable is expecting you to talk anything but pure $h! about yet another domestic.

Maybe you missed the point there. You still have to get out of your car in those places.

This is based off of what exactly?

Oh f@#king stop it. Their claim is as valid as Mercedes and the EQS which is almost assured to not keep the 400 miles range. It’s been well discussed as to why so just save it. As far as Lucid, their quality can be no worse than Tesla’s is TODAY. Screw ten years ago. So, in other words (and without the fanboy superlatives), they haven’t buried anyone. They can’t even beat BMW and Tesla at this point. That is not “king of the mountain” in sales but then again, fanboy logic.

They haven’t buried anyone to date and have no more a shot of burying Tesla than the competition does. Think about it before you misread that. It sure as hell wont start with the ugly EQS.

No. The Audi A6 and Lucid Air both will. You really need to educate yourself.

Even though it's an outlier, the Lucid Air is claiming over 500 miles of range. I'd have to see that to believe it, to be honest though. There is an Audi A6 variant claiming 400. I may have overstated the one year claim but I do believe within 5 years, 400+ mile range will be more the standard than the exception.

In the next year, there will be a half dozen models making that claim. As others have told you a thousand times already, the competition is closing in and closing in fast and they are going to provide a far more reliable product, in most cases. Also, show us the take on the long range models and you might have an actual argument. Until then, it's just more pom pom waving.

To be fair, the original roadster never sold well for the same reason it wouldn't sell well today. Outside of the Miata, no one wants those type of cars anymore. That niche died (for the most part) in the 90s, if you ask me.

The Ford F-150 Lightning and Mach-E greatly disagree with your half-baked assessment and for all of Fords flaws, both will be more reliable than any Tesla.

So we are in agreement. Daimler ruined Chrysler. Thanks for confirming that.

“Their” not “heir”. What the hell autocorrect?

Same. I have stated in the past (and to my detriment at times) that their EV tech is top notch and they deserve all the credit in the world for giving the industry a swift kick in the balls. However, I am a realist about their situation, which is built on a house of cards if you ask me and it's all because of Elon and his mindset. They do not have a firm grasp on the mass production aspect of their cars, as evidenced by the many reliability issues with them. Furthermore, while some folks like that minimalistic look if their interiors, it all goes south with they realize how cheap the actual materials are in their $100K EV. 0-60 times are all fine and dandy but if you switched just the words "2021 Tesla Model S Plaid" for "2008 Dodge Magnum SRT", all the bragging about 0-60 times goes right out the window when you realize the sheer cheapskate nature of their interiors because that was the simple fact of the matter. It's only the name "Tesla" that blinds some folks to that simple fact. For the record, I sat in two different year Model S cars (2015 and 2018) in Arizona. I stand by my statement about heir interiors.

A billion times this! He loves pointing out all the cars the Tesla beats 0-60 but never mentions his favorite brand in those statements. It’s why I can never take him seriously. Just leave the damn fanboy Pom Poms in the closet and stick to the facts.