surreal1272

Agreed on all fronts there.

The irony in both of those statements made by him is quite laughable. You can't be luxury and bargain bin at the same time. That has never worked out well for any brand. I don't like Cadillac having anything priced under $40K (although good luck actually finding one that cheap) while calling themselves a luxury brand. Ever since the Cimmaron days, that has been a problem for them in one fashion or another. Just my personal opinion.

Cadillac ATP-$58K in 2021 (a record for them BTW) Tesla ATP-$50K (down $6K from 2020 despite them raising their prices on three or four occasions over the last year). So basically despite the fact that Tesla has two models above $100K (to the 1 Escalade for Cadillac over that price), Cadillac has a much higher ATP than Tesla which means that MOST of the Teslas sold are FAR south of $100K. What to try that again?

I am sure those five buyers will be very happy with their roadster. And David has shown you, MULTIPLE TIMES, how Tesla is slowly getting knocked off yet you (again) ignored those facts. That is their very definition of being a “fan boy”.

The F-150 Lightning doesn’t have to worry about an “image” problem unlike the vaporware Cybertruck and that is also a fact. The F-150 has a century of trust and a built in buyer already there while the Tesla has to start from scratch with that and hope that there are enough blind Tesla fans to support production of their four wheeled wedge. Btw, who gives two $h!s about the top tier price ($150K) when that applied to only ONE Tesla and especially when it’s reliability is no better than a $3 grand beater car. You have this grand delusion about Tesla that makes no sense and seems to be absent of facts and logic. You have been shown actual facts detailing the many issues with Tesla and their falling stock and market share. There is literally nothing you can state here that changes those facts.

So why mention vans in the first place? Because you were trying to paint a rosier picture of Mercedes. There was absolutely no reason to mention it otherwise. And again, Tesla is not a luxury car company. They are a boutique car company and there is a big difference there. Outside of the fact that they are EVs, Tesla is no more of a “luxury” brand than your average Ford Mustang Mach-E. Don’t believe me? Show me where any Tesla is more so a luxury car than your average Mercedes. Don’t worry. I’ll wait. of t So again, you ignore facts and instead think your opinion trumps that. He posted that to prove that Tesla is, in fact, losing market share yet you completely ignore that FACT to give us your OPINION. See the difference there or are those poms poms blinding you while you read?

One of only three Benz autos ever made I would not kick out of my driveway (again, my wagon bias clearly showing here) and that is 205MPH, which is F'ing insane even for the Autobahn!

Sorry but since you stated already that Tesla was a "luxury" brand, you don't get to pad Mercedes numbers in with their OBVIOUS NON-LUXURY vans. Try again.

They have two models that have “luxury” pricing while two others (not including the Cybertruck vaporware) that start in the 30s. That’s Ford territory. They are not, overall, a luxury brand. They are more boutique than anything else and that’s no longer the case either since they are no longer the only kids on the EV block. Not sure what you’re not getting here but all the fanboy talk from you does not change ALL THE FACTS brought to you that you have conveniently sidestepped.

I would hope the hell so since Tesla has only been selling their cars internationally for a few years. However, they outsell Benz by a considerable margin here so just save the bar moving. Umm, what? And your proof of this is…. Don’t answer that. Just go back and look at sales in Norway, EVs are the dominant sellers and then look at the fact that their sales have declined since more competition has entered the market there. The same thing will 100% happen here. Bank on it.

What’s funny is, yes, you did state that and mentioned about every luxury make except Benz, which Tesla also outsells. Interesting that you failed to mention that. Next time just post the Tesla and Daimler Pom poms and remove all doubt here.

What a crock. You wouldn’t accept these shortcuts from GM or Ford but give a free pass to Tesla. You also, once again, skip everything else said here to openly promote more half truths and made scenarios. Why haven’t they already, you said? Umm, take a look around. They are all working on that now hence them losing market share. Are you even paying actual attention to what’s going here and what’s being said? Screw five years ago. This is today and today Tesla is facing actual competition from damn near everyone else while taking short cuts with their products. Surely that kind of nonsense won’t hurt them. Just ask 1970-2010 GM.

It’s called reality setting in on the upstart.

That is literally sidestepping ALL the other evidence showing their market share decreasing and their reliability still being a joke. Their infotainment system is a joke too and not reliable either unless your like having to replace that oversized tablet every five years or so. Hope they don’t put that into the “maintenance free” Cybertruck lol! https://electrek.co/2020/07/04/tesla-updates-warranty-problematic-media-unit-touchscreen/ https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters And Tesla has outsold those you mentioned due to there being no competition from those companies in the EV realm. As it has been pointed out to you at least dozen times here, that is obviously changing.

Help us understand why it doesn’t matter? There is market share to be had with each type of vehicle (Pick Up, full size cars, compact CUVs, etc) and the fact is that Tesla is losing market share AND stock value because the competition is creeping up on them. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.barrons.com/amp/articles/tesla-stock-market-share-51622722044

We don’t have to see anything. 750K with zero maintenance is pure fantasy and pure marketing BS, like that bullet proof glass that shattered. It’s not even a debate as to its legitimacy except to someone like yourself. Exactly. It doesn’t even mention that on Tesla’s OWN PAGE so unless SMK saw that there (while providing no proof of), it is pure bunk. Even if it is mentioned, it is pure bunk lol. Then why did you emphasize that they had gained market share when they haven’t? And what is “total market share” anyway? Just sounds like a convenient way to backpedal out of a lie to me.

Wow! The site says it huh? That’s about as convincing as the shatter proof glass that shattered upon first demo of it. Sorry if I am not convinced by something that is an obvious lie. There is no “we will see” here. It’s a certain lie. Also a lie. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-02/tesla-heads-for-biggest-drop-in-3-weeks-on-market-share-loss

Not in Texas apparently lol. I have bought ten cars form dealerships and have never been in one more than two hours tops. Please stop with the exaggeration. And again, Elon has stock. He does not billions of his own money to compete with dealer Association. Having said that, this is dumb to a whole other level. Texas is about 100 years behind the times here but then again, Texas.

Who told you that lie? Elon? Guess he left that little tidbit off of their other models, given their reliability record since day one, skipping the sheer bull$h! of thinking this thing is going to last that long without any maintenance outside of tires. That is literally the most absurd sales pitch I have ever heard. If I walked into a Tesla store and they told me that, I'd literally laugh myself right on out of there. And owners are not THAT loyal when said company still hasn't improved upon said reliability since day one.

It’s not 1.14 million. The brothers themselves have over 10 million subscribers. Dobre Cars is not how they made most of that money, is the point here. And again, they are super annoying. How in the hell anyone wants to “subscribe” to them is beyond me.

BS. 1.1 million subscribers do not cover a $1 million Mercedes. These are just a bunch of clueless spoiled kids. Their parents were already millionaires. That money was already there. BTW, they have far more than 1.14 million subscribers but that doesn't change my statement about them being spoiled rich kids. Haven't you been reading? They already do. It's called the NHL lol. Beyond annoying but to each their own.

Yet they still do it while fighting has gone down in the NHL (as ccap stated). BTW, fighting is technically against the rules in the NHL as well. In fact, fighting is against the rules in every sport EXCEPT where it actually involves fighting yet fights still happen in basketball, football, soccer, etc. Them lofty standards though lol. In fact, here is over 2 hours of fights from European hockey from 2003-2019 yet it is against the rules (as you stated).

Two out of the three are niche sales at best and the other will get waxed by REAL pick ups. Not sure how that helps them long term at all.

Just so very sorry for your loss. Carry on the good memories you have with him. That is the best medicine I can prescribe.

Thats pretty much the same thing as what's he's saying.