surreal1272
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I have three words for that. Non-sustainable Business Model i.e.—Making zero profit on your actual product for more than a decade is not a sustainable business model long term. Overinflated stocks do not a successful company make so can we just stop the wash, rinse, repeat nature of your defense of them that clearly ignores very important facts like that?
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More "quality" from Tesla, this time a few day old $130K Model S Plaid. https://www.yahoo.com/news/brand-tesla-model-plaid-spontaneously-224528567.html
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Then you are only reading what you choose to read, a very SMK like move. Exactly my point and I’ve owned four of them so I am not just talking out of my posterior regarding their reliability and long term use.
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But Toyota is just ”average” in reliability lol. Listen. I get the hate for them. In the realm of design, latest tech (outside of their hybrid tech), and power trains, they are lacking beyond belief. They are, for the most past, boring as hell and inspire very to no enthusiasm among the “enthusiast” crowd. However, none of that changes the fact that, overall, they are built to last a long long time with minimal expense compared to the competition. Thanks for posting that @David. I did indulge. You’re just not paying to attention to the simple facts. You set the criteria for reliability by stating that too many trips to a dealership for recalls means it is not very reliable. I showed you where it happens more with most domestics than brands like Toyota. You sidestepped that by calling them “no better than average” when that’s clearly not the case. (Again, 9 recalls on ONE trim level GMC to 0 for the maligned Tundra, for example). However, I think David covered nicely on this page with the data above.
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Except that is factually not true. Like them or not, they are above average reliability and have been consistently so for many years compared to companies like GM and Ford. They are not "no better than average" and it can be proven again and again. Sorry. Not praising Toyota here but facts are facts.
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And Toyota had fewer recalls on their entire lineup for 2020 than Chevrolet and fewer totals recalls than GMC. The 2020 Sierra alone had nine recalls for ONE trim level model.
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Again, recalls do not equal long term reliability. On that same site, for Chevrolet, it's 7 pages to Toyota's 4 for 2020 model year cars. Hell, there are 4 pages for GMC alone. Are GMCs overrated as well?
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Holy hell! I forgot they were still sporting a four speed, four pot in those. Good lord! I'll take any year 5 speed operated 4 Runner over even the best and "newest" Journey!
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(Still looking for the part where number of recalls=reliability and finds nothing)
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I was a longtime Porsche fan, even after VW ownership (and that is exactly what it was, in the end) but they are just ridiculous high for all the wrong reasons, even with being great driving machines. I miss my dads "undercover VW" '74 914. That had the old VW flat four with fuel injection. My dad swapped out the fuel injectors for a couple of twin barrel Webers, that ran great for about a month before the backfiring problems started and ruined everything lol. Such a fun little car that I only got to ride in, as my dad was not about to let his 16 year old son drive his baby, especially after that same son got a speeding ticket in an '81 Chevette (yes, it is possible to get one in a Chevette).
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Except you’re wrong.
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That still isn’t “young” by any stretch of the imagination and this is from a 48 year old.
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Because cherry picking is yet another skill in addition to bar moving lol.
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That has already been pointed out to him and his only response was to post the low volume G-Wagen (at least he spelled right that time) number. When I post the GLS numbers vs the Navigator, he moved the bar yet again to change the subject. I also showed him an article stating that the market will come crashing back down so his initial comparison were moot anyway. Fanboys only see what they want to see and run away form the rest. Of course you don’t see it. That’s the point that EVERYONE here is trying to make to you. I remember the 90s and not many folks thought Porsche could make it long term before VW took over. That was common knowledge then.
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A C&D article I linked earlier showed preference to the E-Mach interior over the Tesla Model Y and that’s just a lowly little Ford. That should tell people all they need to know.
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I’m not “bashing” though. I have presented facts that back up everything I’ve said about whereas you tend to make blanket, and non researched, statements. Fact. Furthermore, outside of Tesla, you bash domestics every chance you get. Find me ONE Cadillac thread here where you are not trying to pass off your opinion as fact. You chime on those threads constantly but are surprisingly absent the few Mercedes threads there are here. Sorry, that’s bashing and trolling. We are not the same here. I actually like Tesla, in principle, but I’m not blind and when you’re not making a profit over the last decade and building cars with a Yugo like quality to them, you’re damn straight I’m going to bash them, bash them with facts. Again, we are not the same and neither is the “bashing”.
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He doesn’t seem to understand that some companies are run horribly and it baffling him that it’s not a domestic make in question here.
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Actually we do know. And Alfa lost money because Sergio is an idiot and no one wanted their piss poor built cars. https://manufacturingglobal.com/smart-manufacturing/ford-motor-company-reports-strong-2021-q1-results Yep they sure can because they have actual experience in mass producing cars without the countless quality issues still plaguing a newbie like Tesla. It’s not that hard to figure out unless you are just looking for any excuse to $h! on domestics. And just stop with the bar moving. As soon as you got called out over the depreciation of the GLS, you moved on to something else. Just stop it. Tesla can’t even compete with Ford levels of quality. https://autos.yahoo.com/comparison-test-2021-ford-mustang-110000731.html
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While making zero profit on them. Does this really have to be explained to you again?
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Pure deflection from what we were just discussing. Comment dismissed.
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Correction. It should read “If you’re going bring Benz into the fold…”
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@smk4565—And bringing up the low volume G-Wagen was just dumb. Sorry. If you’re going bring Benz into the folks with full size SUVs like the Lexus and Lincoln, then you have to bring up the GLS. I’m guessing there is a good reason why you didn’t though. Let me help you.
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Maybe you should look at this first. There was “only” a $25K price difference between them brand new so I don’t know where in the hell you got this “they were the same price” BS from. That literally kills your entire argument there. The Benz is even easier to dismiss since it is a low volume vehicle. Hell, the discontinued Chevrolet SS sedan used prices sell around original MSRP for the same reason. It was a low volume production car. F that G-Wagen. You are still missing the point. A three year old Ford is still selling at or near its original MSRP and the value is still going up (much like that 4 Runner you can’t source properly), hardly this big drop bull$h! you keep throwing around about Fords and Lincoln’s. Btw, the volume model is the SE.
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In an effort to get this back on track, I am just going to leave this little Tesla Y vs Ford Mustang Mach-E article right here. Go ahead and act like Tesla isn't sweating the competition and remember what's been said here (repeatedly) about their quality that clearly hasn't been fixed after more than a decade in existence for Tesla. People notice stuff like that, you know? https://www.yahoo.com/autos/comparison-test-2021-ford-mustang-110000731.html
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BTW @smk4565. The Flex started at $26K in 2019 yet the average price for a three year old CUV that isn't produced anymore is $30K (the 2018 is $28K). Go ahead and sidestep those facts so that you can keep on slamming domestics.
