surreal1272

No. The Audi A6 and Lucid Air both will. You really need to educate yourself.

Even though it's an outlier, the Lucid Air is claiming over 500 miles of range. I'd have to see that to believe it, to be honest though. There is an Audi A6 variant claiming 400. I may have overstated the one year claim but I do believe within 5 years, 400+ mile range will be more the standard than the exception.

In the next year, there will be a half dozen models making that claim. As others have told you a thousand times already, the competition is closing in and closing in fast and they are going to provide a far more reliable product, in most cases. Also, show us the take on the long range models and you might have an actual argument. Until then, it's just more pom pom waving.

To be fair, the original roadster never sold well for the same reason it wouldn't sell well today. Outside of the Miata, no one wants those type of cars anymore. That niche died (for the most part) in the 90s, if you ask me.

The Ford F-150 Lightning and Mach-E greatly disagree with your half-baked assessment and for all of Fords flaws, both will be more reliable than any Tesla.

So we are in agreement. Daimler ruined Chrysler. Thanks for confirming that.

“Their” not “heir”. What the hell autocorrect?

Same. I have stated in the past (and to my detriment at times) that their EV tech is top notch and they deserve all the credit in the world for giving the industry a swift kick in the balls. However, I am a realist about their situation, which is built on a house of cards if you ask me and it's all because of Elon and his mindset. They do not have a firm grasp on the mass production aspect of their cars, as evidenced by the many reliability issues with them. Furthermore, while some folks like that minimalistic look if their interiors, it all goes south with they realize how cheap the actual materials are in their $100K EV. 0-60 times are all fine and dandy but if you switched just the words "2021 Tesla Model S Plaid" for "2008 Dodge Magnum SRT", all the bragging about 0-60 times goes right out the window when you realize the sheer cheapskate nature of their interiors because that was the simple fact of the matter. It's only the name "Tesla" that blinds some folks to that simple fact. For the record, I sat in two different year Model S cars (2015 and 2018) in Arizona. I stand by my statement about heir interiors.

A billion times this! He loves pointing out all the cars the Tesla beats 0-60 but never mentions his favorite brand in those statements. It’s why I can never take him seriously. Just leave the damn fanboy Pom Poms in the closet and stick to the facts.

And let me end this diatribe with this. You talk about what Daimler gave Chrysler, like the LX platform (again, sloppy seconds) like it was such a great thing. Well, as an eight year owner of one of those LX models (Magnum), I would personally like to tell Daimler to go F themselves. Don’t get me wrong. I loved the car overall but the interior was not one of those reasons. Daimler was responsible for the budget of those cars and let the bean counters turn a decent car into a Fisher Price plastic laden nightmare on the inside. That is a fact.

Which was Daimler’s fault since they were the owners. What are you not getting here? Fact is that Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep did BETTER under Fiat ownership than under Daimler. The problem there was Sergio siphoning profits from those groups to fund his steaming piles of junk in Italy. Again, this is a fact, not opinion. Again, the fault there lies with its owners. Who was that btw? Thats’ right. It was Daimler. You are not making as convicting argument here. The lesson here was that a company like Chrysler could not succeed off of platform sloppy seconds like the Crossfire and the 300.

You need to pay attention in class. That was a decade ago. They are making a profit now on cars like the Challenger and Charger while Tesla loses money on their cars. I sure as hell know that Daimler didn’t do a damn thing to help them. In fact, their ownership is what accelerated their bankruptcy but again, shhhhh, we don’t ever speak ill of your German masters. Btw, it’s been common knowledge for the last eight years that Sergio siphoned of the popular profit making domestic brands to fund those piles of $h! from Italy. You know that already so stop trying to play dumb about it just because other folks here don’t worship Elon Musk and his money losing cars.

Are you sure about that? Again, profit.

The exact same thing can be said about the Challenger and Charger. Difference here is that Dodge makes an actual profit from theirs while Tesla does not.

Which goes back to the core point others have made about profit on actual product and not hype. FCA makes money on the Challenger and Charger, hand over fist so why would they change that just because Tesla can go 0-60 faster while costing considerably more coin and being more unreliable? It should be noted that the current Tesla model S is on a now 9 year old platform but shhhh, that's only an issue with the competition.

That does not change Balth’s core point. All I know is that a 4500-5000lb. Tesla has its own handling challenges, which is something the resident Tesla cheerleader here seems to forget.

I have it too and that’s not how that works. You missed the point by a damn mile, once again. And his selling of his homes has zero to do with carbon footprint reduction. A direct quote from an article about his house sales. “Musk has repeatedly said he plans to sell most of his possessions, including all his houses, to fund a colony on Mars. He has said he wants to send 1 million people to Mars by 2050.” Maybe you need to actually educate yourself about the man before trying to worship him and his supposed wealth.

Because the so called “genius” is selling his homes to fund colonization of Mars. If he is so damn rich, as SMK claims a thousand times here, why the need to sell some homes to fund his pet projects? His wealth is beyond smoke and mirrors if you ask me. His only claim to any wealth has basically been market manipulation, which can be construed as illegal in some sectors.

I know the fine details but it was still because they weren't making enough profit to keep afloat, a result of putting out $h!ty products for decades. My core point stands.

Tell that to early 2000s GM and Chrysler.

Actually you seem to care an awful lot given the rabid defense of them. Furthermore, if they go bankrupt, it will be exactly because of their cars since that is supposed to be their main business.

You have totally misread what I’ve said apparently. I’m talking about people not cars. Robert covered it. Eventually, that demand simply ages out. And both of those idiots fall under my same point about suckers. Something about a fool and their money.

It’s no different than the idiots who spend $50K to jack up and put useless lights all around a pick up that already cost them $50K. There is always a market for suckers and their money. Thought you knew that. I was comparing what I said to your statement about folks preferring the tactile feel and such. Those same kind of folks are dwindling in numbers much like folks who drive a stick shift.

That was from a study dating back to 2019 (from 2015-2019 EV owners) which was mostly due to people not doing a little research and making sure that had viable charging options at home (like folks in rental homes, condos, or apartments). Much has changed on that front since then. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ev-owners-switch-gas-power-study/ But much like the number of folks who grow up knowing how to drive a stick, that number is going down every year. The younger generations know less and less to what you are referring and twenty years form now, hardly any will grow up knowing that.

@smk4565 Oh and Ford didn’t take a bailout like GM and Chrysler did. Furthermore, the last time I checked, Chrysler was under Daimler just prior to their bailout but shhhhh, we don’t talk about the failings of German companies and this isn’t about them or the traditional domestic makes anyway. This is about the house of financial cards known as Tesla.