surreal1272

The exact same thing can be said about your pet brand. In fact, it’s an absolute fact.

Because some folks have more money than sense, if you ask me. I paid $12,800 for my 2015 Flex w/88K miles on it a year and half ago. It has 105K now and I could sell it for $15K private party. It has gone up 15% this year. This is happening with just about every used car out there. That 4Runner is not unique in that.

My main creative "hub", if you will, when I'm not working my other job.

Most of us are talking but when certain self righteous asshats act like they know better than everyone else simply because of a certain car they drive (and the transmission involved), and then tells EVERYONE ELSE that they are full of $h! and excuses, I take exception because clearly that particular person doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. My "niceness" ends right there.

I think you need to stop assuming things about people and their habits. I grew up on manuals and spent the first twenty years (after I was legal to drive at 16 in 1988) driving nothing but manuals, from a busted ‘81 Chevette to a (at the time almost new) ‘94 RX-7 and everything in between. Even after that, I have driven everything from a 2018 Corvette Z06, with a 7 speed manual, on down. I haven’t owned a stick in over a decade now but it was personal choice and had jack $h! to do with driving enthusiasm or lack thereof. STOP ASSUMING $h!, is the point here. Save your lofty standards for another site where they don’t mind the condescending tone of your posts. Again, assuming $h! you haven’t the faintest clue over.

Agreed on the Continental. It’s problem is that it was about five years late to the game, when people were still slightly more interested in sedans. The car itself was not a failure, anymore so than the dozens of German models that have come and gone in the last twenty years alone.

How in the Sam hell did we go from Lincoln to MB vans? Lincoln. That’s the subject here. If he wants to continue his stupid defense of German vans, let him start his own thread (which is something I’ve never seen him do regarding his pet brand). It is the same wash, rinse, repeat nonsense with him and his blind fanboy love of all things German. He hasn’t learned a damn thing here and has never cared to learn anything that may put his pet brand in a negative light. Quite honestly, F him at this point (and yes I made it personal. Sue me). Lincoln BEVs: Anything else to add here? BTW @smk4565-Sales does not equate to world class. Rolls Royce and Bentley both sell far less than the numbers you posted above. By your fanboy logic, they are not world class either. There. Done.

Of course it doesn’t bother you. Why else would spend a page defending it even after denying the practice of them selling vans beside their cars existed in the first place? Sell that bull$h! to someone else.

Plenty of folks gave the Germans a free pass on decades of automotive $h!. Lincoln can do it too.

Don’t worry. As it was already pointed out to you, 75% of them do. But I thought this was the best or nothing? They are not supposed to be like GM and Chevy. This is a luxury make selling work vans on the same lot, a pass you sure as $h! would not let Cadillac have if Chevy Sparks were sold right next to Escalades. Save the fake outrage and “who cares” defense because clearly you did care, as evidenced by your nonstop defense of an obvious lie.

And that has zero bearing on whether the EQS will sell well. ZERO bearing. BTW, they would have a bigger base if it was a CUV/SUV instead of a sedan that already looks ten years old on the outside. And preaching the $100K defense rings a little hollow when the ATP is, again, lower than Cadillac and their one $100K model. Yet you were just on here acting like it was only a minority of dealers doing this. How’d that blond assumption work out for you? Sorry but your entire defense of them while trolling yet another domestic thread is just old, dumb, and full of basic lies. Just sit this one out.

Your denial is astounding. For the record, all three Phoenix AZ dealerships sell vans right alongside their “luxury” cars. The one in my hometown in NC also sells them side by side.

And lets just skip the part where NASCAR drivers don’t even have to use the clutch pedal to shift. Not exactly “old school” driving there, much like the sequential ones touted are “old school” manuals. If it doesn’t involved BOTH the left foot and the right hand to shift, then it’s not a true manual IMO.

If it is so much faster than a automatic, then why did Formula 1 remove full auto transmissions, along with lunch and traction control, almost 15 years ago so that drivers would not have an unfair advantage? Clearly someone thought having an automatic had an advantage.

I want the Zephyr to succeed but history does not suggest it, is my concern here. Ev or not, luxury folks just won't give the domestics a second look when comes to sedans, outside of the Tesla cult. That could change and I hope it does but I just don't see it currently.

Outside of the Zephyr, Lincoln seems to have a good plan together and they will need to hit all the marks because it is a big gamble given their current “volume”. Now is the time to do it though because they have shown that they are finally ready to get serious again about the luxury market, with strong offerings like the new Navigator and the Aviator.

Yet you seem to think the EQS SEDAN will sell well because….

He has tried to pass off that BS before while forgetting that folks here have eyes. I know for a fact that the largest Benz dealership had vans right next to their cars and I showed him pictures of this. He also wants to sidestep the fact that he is using those SAME VANS to tout Benz overall sales figures while dismissing those same vans because they being down the ATP of Benz. It’s just regular misguided fanboy logic, no matter how he tried to paint it. @smk4565—This BS stops today. Here is a current street view shot of Mercedes Benz at Arrowhead (Peoria, AZ). Take a good long look at their inventory and then apologize for your obvious yet oft repeated mistake.

Oh shut up with the high price=luxury nonsense. Skip the part where the G Wagon is that expensive because it’s low volume AND hand built. Skip the fact that the Navigator is routinely reviewed as being better than even the current Escalade, which has been continually handing Benz its ass in sales for years now. Skip the fact that Benz is higher priced in general (despite their lower then Cadillac ATP) because they are imports here. See where this is going yet? Just put the damn Pom poms down. I guess, based on your logic, that a G Wagon is not stepping up to the luxury SUV game itself when there are others that cost $100K MORE. That’s why your price argument is just dumb.

Big talk for a fan of the “Best or Nothing” brand.

What's laughable is expecting you to talk anything but pure $h! about yet another domestic.

Maybe you missed the point there. You still have to get out of your car in those places.

This is based off of what exactly?

Oh f@#king stop it. Their claim is as valid as Mercedes and the EQS which is almost assured to not keep the 400 miles range. It’s been well discussed as to why so just save it. As far as Lucid, their quality can be no worse than Tesla’s is TODAY. Screw ten years ago. So, in other words (and without the fanboy superlatives), they haven’t buried anyone. They can’t even beat BMW and Tesla at this point. That is not “king of the mountain” in sales but then again, fanboy logic.

They haven’t buried anyone to date and have no more a shot of burying Tesla than the competition does. Think about it before you misread that. It sure as hell wont start with the ugly EQS.