Cmicasa the Great

I never had any issues with the product...nor the styling. The presence, the feel...the attitude of the ATS, in MY EYES is all wrong... So be it.. The Attitude of the ATS is to take on the best from Europe. It does. Very well in attitude, presence and feel. It lacks the variety that those Europeans do thus sales will be low., It lacks their marketing.. thus sales will be low. It is also first generation. The fact that it doesn't jibe with your idea of what U believe Cadillac should be speaks volumes as to what they are doing right in terms of attracting the new customers to the brand Just how you would not buy a Cadillac Brougham of 1996 vintage, and noit until you were 60 years old...because I, at 43 years of age, would have considered a Brouhmam in 2016... Perhaps because I've driven and been in both.. thru out the years. The old Cadillacs are cool for those who want them, but going forward.. FORWARD.. Cadillac needs to stay this course. To think that they were not gonna get people like yourself who hated the NEW Cadillac would have been ridiculous. Reminds me of people who say they prefer the Vinyl LPs over the CD or digital music. Its nostalgia driven that is all. The question I asked is how does one feel about Cadillac... I don't want Cadillac to be producing land yachts...but what do you think a Ciel is? Or an Escalade for that matter... (You've got to be kidding me if you think an Escalade is all that different from a 1996 Brougham...a slight suspension tuning to be less floaty for modern day Cadillac drivers is that difference...because its still a BOF vehicle...an SUV...Im sure a Brougham could have had the same suspension and steering feel done to it with the same brakes to be a more modern land yacht...) The Escalade, and other SUVS like Range Rover for years.. was branded as not worthy of Luxury simply because they were trucks or not traditional luxury vehicles (read cars). The Escalade, while certainly being big and bold is big and bold no differently than any other 5800lbs 204 inch (Length) and 74 inch (height) vehicle would be... As to FEEL.. yeah a ride, drive, or even better.. OWNING of one certainly feels special. My Dad also owns a previous gen Escalade we bought him.. my mom an SRX.. both say that they love their vehicles and both say they exude the special feeling they had about Cadillac when they.. THEY.. they were growing up. That's high praise considering they grew up in the 50s and 60s. When I got into my last 3 Caddys.. I always felt like I was equal of better than any BMW or Benz rolling near. Not one time did I not stop somewhere and even your vaulted S-Class owner not tell me how gorgeous and nice.. outta kno where mind U.. my STS or CTS was at the time. This current CTS gets unbelievable props. I feel like I'm pushing a Ferrari more than any luxury sedan, by the way people react to it. Just yesterday during dinner I could see my Rose parked out in from the Restaurant as a guy in his 20s literally tripped up over the curb staring and pointing showing his girlfriend how slick Rose was. She said to him.. "if U had a car like that.. we'd have to break-up, cause of all the THOTS U'd be meeting" I like the way the ATS drives...its the lack of presence its got on the road that is a concern to me... Ive gotten over the fact that Cadillac compacts are reality, but when a Honda Civic has more teeth and ballz to its look and feel, there is a problem. Casa, the ATS, while arts and science is clearly visible, the ATS is no more exciting than the BMW and Audi cars you whine about... ATS V aside....which has boy racer looks, is clearly lacking road presence. And a price tag that Chevrolet keeps bouncing up on... Tell that same thing to the 3Series.. and C-Class.. I keep tell y'all that conservatism is the way of the entry segment. The ATS tends to be conservative til U hit the Premium model.. then it shines. U've obviously never seen an ATS-V on the road or U would definitely not be saying something as crazy as it lacks road presence. Your pricing issues are also insane as every car can easily come up on luxury pricing when tarted up. A Chevy Impala also knocks on the Audi A6 Price as well. Ah...Casa, but you finally saw what Im seeing with the ATS...(non ATS-V...we will get to that V later) "The ATS tends to be conservative" Yes....it seems like the ATS is just another compact car in a sea of compacts...with a price tag that a Ford Fusion Titanium could reach.... My opening words to this thread..yet I chose a Camaro, Impala and Malibu to drive my thought process home... And then I thought about it some more and I said that Cadillacs should be larger than life regardless if compact or fullsized or SUV... Then you went all pissy to finally admit the ATS is styled conservatively... The CTS coupe of a couple years ago was FUGLY, it did not sell NOT because it pushed the boundaries too far, its because the man with the ugly stick touched it. LOL.. at U.. saying I went all "Pissy." LOL at U sayin that the the CTS-Coupe didn't sell, when the actual product mix went like this: 2011 Coupe 27% 2011 Sedan 70% 2011 Wagon 3% 2012 Coupe 27% 2012 Sedan 70% 2012 Wagon 4% 2013 Coupe 29% 2013 Sedan 68% 2013 Wagon 3% 2014 Coupe 29% 2014 Sedan 69% 2014 Wagon 2% if coming in at almost 30% of sales is "did not sell well" then U are an even bigger idiot than I thought. Now that's pissy. Your assessment on the ATS pricing is hilarious.. considering the 3series and ATS are neck and neck in pricing. Furthermore.. as I pointed out.. Google could point out. or just having a brain that works.. could point out.. mainstream cars with options can easily be priced around an entry level luxo. . Lastly.. conservative styling of the ATS is a fact of the segment. The ATS is conservative in the FRONT.. again.. til U get into the Performance level lighting and such. The overall look and shape of the car is gorgeous. The boy racer comments are stupid. Especially if U kno that the augmentation in looks are functional and aid in performance.

I guessing I am alone here but I would not have a problem with Cadillac offering a car like that. I have driven them and thought great for what they were. Same with the Chrysler Imperial and Lincoln Continental. When I was younger I would borrow a family members Continental for road trips. The comfort level and room was great. Same with a Buick Lesabre I used to barrow for the same reason. I know those are the exact cars that gave them the old person stigma. But they were all very comfortable nice to drive cars. Maybe there is room in the lineup for a business class car from Cadillac or Lincoln that is plush, roomy, and comfortable. Not everyone is looking for a car with Nürburgring and track certifications. I can think of a lot of reasons why those cars are not offered,,, but like I said, they were sooo comfy. Your name seems familiar.. but nonetheless.. I think the current continuation of the XTS is that car. I will add that they XTS with MRC does offer that feeling of "floaty..." to a degree... in touring mode.

I never had any issues with the product...nor the styling. The presence, the feel...the attitude of the ATS, in MY EYES is all wrong... So be it.. The Attitude of the ATS is to take on the best from Europe. It does. Very well in attitude, presence and feel. It lacks the variety that those Europeans do thus sales will be low., It lacks their marketing.. thus sales will be low. It is also first generation. The fact that it doesn't jibe with your idea of what U believe Cadillac should be speaks volumes as to what they are doing right in terms of attracting the new customers to the brand Just how you would not buy a Cadillac Brougham of 1996 vintage, and noit until you were 60 years old...because I, at 43 years of age, would have considered a Brouhmam in 2016... Perhaps because I've driven and been in both.. thru out the years. The old Cadillacs are cool for those who want them, but going forward.. FORWARD.. Cadillac needs to stay this course. To think that they were not gonna get people like yourself who hated the NEW Cadillac would have been ridiculous. Reminds me of people who say they prefer the Vinyl LPs over the CD or digital music. Its nostalgia driven that is all. The question I asked is how does one feel about Cadillac... I don't want Cadillac to be producing land yachts...but what do you think a Ciel is? Or an Escalade for that matter... (You've got to be kidding me if you think an Escalade is all that different from a 1996 Brougham...a slight suspension tuning to be less floaty for modern day Cadillac drivers is that difference...because its still a BOF vehicle...an SUV...Im sure a Brougham could have had the same suspension and steering feel done to it with the same brakes to be a more modern land yacht...) The Escalade, and other SUVS like Range Rover for years.. was branded as not worthy of Luxury simply because they were trucks or not traditional luxury vehicles (read cars). The Escalade, while certainly being big and bold is big and bold no differently than any other 5800lbs 204 inch (Length) and 74 inch (height) vehicle would be... As to FEEL.. yeah a ride, drive, or even better.. OWNING of one certainly feels special. My Dad also owns a previous gen Escalade we bought him.. my mom an SRX.. both say that they love their vehicles and both say they exude the special feeling they had about Cadillac when they.. THEY.. they were growing up. That's high praise considering they grew up in the 50s and 60s. When I got into my last 3 Caddys.. I always felt like I was equal of better than any BMW or Benz rolling near. Not one time did I not stop somewhere and even your vaulted S-Class owner not tell me how gorgeous and nice.. outta kno where mind U.. my STS or CTS was at the time. This current CTS gets unbelievable props. I feel like I'm pushing a Ferrari more than any luxury sedan, by the way people react to it. Just yesterday during dinner I could see my Rose parked out in from the Restaurant as a guy in his 20s literally tripped up over the curb staring and pointing showing his girlfriend how slick Rose was. She said to him.. "if U had a car like that.. we'd have to break-up, cause of all the THOTS U'd be meeting" I like the way the ATS drives...its the lack of presence its got on the road that is a concern to me... Ive gotten over the fact that Cadillac compacts are reality, but when a Honda Civic has more teeth and ballz to its look and feel, there is a problem. Casa, the ATS, while arts and science is clearly visible, the ATS is no more exciting than the BMW and Audi cars you whine about... ATS V aside....which has boy racer looks, is clearly lacking road presence. And a price tag that Chevrolet keeps bouncing up on... Tell that same thing to the 3Series.. and C-Class.. I keep tell y'all that conservatism is the way of the entry segment. The ATS tends to be conservative til U hit the Performance model.. then it shines. U've obviously never seen an ATS-V on the road or U would definitely not be saying something as crazy as it lacks road presence. Your pricing issues are also insane as every car can easily come up on luxury pricing when tarted up. A Chevy Impala also knocks on the Audi A6 Price as well.

If U say so BMW fan. A brand that I equate with boring and slow drivers who would be better off at a Starbucks than in my way. Nonetheless... Escalade, CTS, CT6 beg to differ with your opinion: Sick burn. I thought we were talking about Cadillac. Cadillac needs to be building Ciels, Sixteens, and El Miraj's. THEN they would be fulfilling both their potential and heritage. Their current cookie cutter cars with cut-rate and garish interiors aren't cutting it. Sorry buddy, it's not my fault you can't look at the brand through anything other than rose-colored glasses. Not even gonna go back and forth with U Dingo.. Just gonna state the facts: 1) Interiors are award winning and have been getting kudos galore for their craftsmanship, quality, and materials 2) The Elmiraj is coming. But I think anyone of reasonable mind would want the CT6 to launch before they delve deep into a CT7. See? The numbers make more sense if U go in order.. idiot. 3) Rose colored glasses? No. I just look at them thru my wallet.. and love what I see. Do me a favor.. Post up a picture of your brand new BMW.. and its fantastic interior. In fact... post up a picture of a new BMW with in your words.. "A distinct look, stance, and presence." Distinct? Looks like any other BMW. In fact without a tape measure one would be hard pressed to say that it ISN'T a 5 Series. I won't even get into the fact that it looks pretty generic as car as CARS go Stance? Huh? I'll replace that with engineering. The BMW name used to stand for something.. now its pretty much switched places with Lexus in terms of ride and dynamics.. while still certainly not in reliability Presence??? Eff outta here. There is nothing.. and I mean nothing about a BMW outside of the 6Series that comes off as having presence.. and even that car is me throwing U a bone. The rest of the line up looks like it took styling cues from this:

I get what U are saying in terms of the Ciel and Cien.. but the truth of the matter is that this thread pretty much is a semi-attack on the ATS. Read your first post. In fact.. it is almost entirely about how U feel teh ATS shoudl not be a Cadillac. NOW.. look at your quote above: My personal proof is that in Quebec, small car capital in North America, the ATS is a runaway success. And I have talked to some of my clients that own an ATS... They love the ride. They love the handling. They love the quality. They think an ATS IS a car worth the Cadillac badge. Even with just the 2.0T car. U talked to actual owners who gave U that sound and positive resume.. yet still have issue with the product. Makes zero sense. In terms of Cadillac not being the Cadillac that U equate Cadillac of being... Let me the first to say; IF CADILLAC STILL SOLD THE CADILLACS IT WAS SELLING PRE-2003.. I would not have owned one damn Cadillac until I was 60, and I am currently Cadillac biggest fan. My dad has a 1996 Brougham.. I hate that car. Its a big floaty, though powerful (LT1) car with sofas for seats. It is a part of the sinking of Cadillac to where it was for most of the 2000-2010 decade.. it should not be revisited as the ascend back to the once loftiest position. The CT6-CT9 should be certainly large... but handling and styling should be precise, and bold. I see that.. This is BOLD: This is NOT

If U say so BMW fan. A brand that I equate with boring and slow drivers who would be better off at a Starbucks than in my way. Nonetheless... Escalade, CTS, CT6 beg to differ with your opinion: Gee! at first glance these all look like Cadillac's! Even my blind grandfather said they even feel like Cadillac's. I think you have made a very valid point!!!!! Thanks.. I think. The thing is that some people constantly try and belittle Cadillac for having vehicles that don't push the evelope far enough in styling.. yet from what I see.. the envelope that they are pushing has been pushed beyond almost every radical design language I can think of today. Lexus... ironically might be the one rival who has gone that way.. but not in terms of beauty, imo, but revolting. I see a Jag.. I don't really see a Jag (of Heritage). I see a copy of BMW.. or is it Audi.. or is it Mazda I see a BMW.. I don't see anything of appeal.. outside of the 4 and the 6 series. That 's deplorable in a line-up consisting of 27 models. All of which look.. just Euro-Japanese. They look no more distinct on the road than a Honda, Ford, Toyota, or Chevy I see an Audi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the A/S5 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I see a Benz ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ CLS and S-Class Coupe ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Cadillac??? I can't think of one vehicle that doesn't sing CADILLAC!!! Mind U I'm not talking about Harley Earl's Cadillac.. or even Bill Mitchell's.. But Ed Welburn's A&S. The ATS, outside of the most BASE model looks like a Gen 2 CTS redo, a car that was very well received as a styling masterpiece

Who is this demographic that is looking for a slightly smaller, slightly cheaper ATS @ Cadillac, exactly? A billion dollars spent to develop this model that's a shave & a haircut smaller- there's simply no point to it. Same demographic that buys the CLA... but later finds out its a POS.. Same buyer who will buy a 1 series or 2 series. And I doubt big time that it costs a billion$$ to develop the model.. Again.. when the newer ATS (CT3) will be a tad larger on the inside. I would also point out that while my preference is the Alpha platform be used.. I would have zero objection to a Dx vehicle that was a hatch or hybrid OK… that's your take. Mine is, there's no business case to bring out another sedan on the SAME PLATFORM as the ATS. I mean, hello? And this is coming from someone who doesn't place all that much significance in what platform is under a vehicle. CLA is moving copies (based on whoring out the badge), but the 1-2 series @ BMW is struggling. But a FWD hatchback Cadillac??????????????????? What sort of sales analysis threads am I going to be reading there?? It's not where Cadillac came from, it's not where they need to go. The whole 'must match the German's catalogs' mindset has to die but some folks just won't let it go. Look Balthazar.. U and I are normally so much on the same page I have to look to see if its U speaking or myself.. but this time I have to simply disagree. The idea of Cadillac not catering to a sub-ATS crowd is crazy.. again.. even if the car is essentially JUST a same size version of the current ATS at $30K and the current ATS-L (from China) is coming in at the current $33K price then it is justified..

If U say so BMW fan. A brand that I equate with boring and slow drivers who would be better off at a Starbucks than in my way. Nonetheless... Escalade, CTS, CT6 beg to differ with your opinion:

Who is this demographic that is looking for a slightly smaller, slightly cheaper ATS @ Cadillac, exactly? A billion dollars spent to develop this model that's a shave & a haircut smaller- there's simply no point to it. Same demographic that buys the CLA... but later finds out its a POS.. Same buyer who will buy a 1 series or 2 series. And I doubt big time that it costs a billion$$ to develop the model.. Again.. when the newer ATS (CT3) will be a tad larger on the inside. I would also point out that while my preference is the Alpha platform be used.. I would have zero objection to a Dx vehicle that was a hatch or hybrid

Used to be that for me Cadillac was aspiration.. I don't feel that way anymore basically because I really don't aspire to own any car at this point of my life. I have colleagues and associates that could buy and sell me.. they say the same things. Perspective. I think ones idea of luxury has more to do with what level your level of attainability is. For instance.. I remember taking a chick to the Eden Roc in Miami.. she literally dropped her panties soon as she saw the room. While I think it was nice.. I wouldn't have shown my ass unless we were at minimum the Ritz or Rui In truth.. for me Cadillac means HERITAGE and innovation. Cadillac, I'm convinced, has the capability to not only past Benz in the luxury field, but rejoin Rolls in it's plateau as well. It is unlike any other brand, but Benz, the epitome of innovation and heritage. Bringing in people not ever involved in the GM Culture created by Smith and furthered and embedded by Stempel will not only strengthen Cadillac but will trickle down to other brands as well even with Barra running things. I mention those two previous GM leaders because it was during their time that the idea of making Cadillac more mainstream took hold. Similar thing happened to Packard.. and Cord way back in the day. Bottom line is that Cadillac is struggling because of lack of product, revolutionary change to a 112 year business, a corporate BK 6 years ago that made management re-prioritize, and American self loathing of.. well anything American. All that, and Cadillac is still as prestigious as at the very least Jaguar and Lexus, with more heritage than either. LOOK AT CADILLAC SALES and then speak. Actually analyze them for the briefest of moments and U will come away with as much confidence as I. As long as Cadillac stays the course, providing vehicles with the DNA that is embedded within the “ATS-CTS-CT6 Stepping Stone” then everything they put forth will add to overall sales volume without a need to fleet heavily. U wanna see a situation of real BIAS? Look at the Audi numbers of 27 supposed offerings (versus Cadillac at 8)and tell me why there is such optimism for them with only 9.7% of the luxo market versus Cadillac at 9.1% Again.. That's Audi with 27models/9.7% market vs Cadillac 8 models (less than 1/3) with 9.1%. From last year Cadillac's number of vehicles versus Benz, BMW, and Audi’s 12+ and their sales numbers are indicative of that fact. WHY AM I BRINGING UP SALES?? Because this is the way market analyst look at success in each segment. It doesn' matter that the brand has a 3-6 mainstream offerings labeled under the luxo emblem.. its a sale, thus deemed desirable. These other brands are picking up sales in areas where not only Cadillac does not offer vehicles YET, but in market segments that encroach very easily on mainstream market makers. There is no way a buyer should be trying to decide between a Mercedes CLA and a Honda Civic, Ford Fusion, or Chevy Malibu LTZ, yet it is happening. For the record.. I have no issue with Cadillac offering a SUB-ATS.. as long as that SUB-ATS is RWD (on Alpha) or is a purpose built hatch or hybrid like the Volt or Astra, with preference on the RWD scenario. Sub-ATS could simply mean $3K less at $30K and slightly smaller, as we kno that the replacement for this ATS is moving up in interior size at least.

Just different approaches.. especially concerning size. I mean one could make the same assessment coming out of a 535 and getting into a 335i. Also.. in terms of fuel economy.. as far as I kno.. the Cruze will be stopping at 30/35/42, while the Malibu does have a hybrid pulling in 47/46/46 and a 0-60 time in the exact same numbers as the Cruze, while being a larger car. Aren't we supposed to see a diesel Cruze yet? That thing will eat up that 47/46/46 of the hybrid Malibu. The ratings may not be there but diesels are known to easily out due their ratings anyway. Yeah.. but its diesel tho. Sorry, but I have never been a fan of Diesels, and have always been confused as to what so-called enthusiasts saw in them. Sure they have nice torque.. but they are slow in most situations. To fuel economy.. it is usually a wash.. as diesel fuel may get U better MPGs but the cost is normally $.15 higher than regular

Just different approaches.. especially concerning size. I mean one could make the same assessment coming out of a 535 and getting into a 335i. Also.. in terms of fuel economy.. as far as I kno.. the Cruze will be stopping at 30/35/42, while the Malibu does have a hybrid pulling in 47/46/46 and a 0-60 time in the exact same numbers as the Cruze, while being a larger car.

The LT for steering was very good to meet the expectation of those who want a mid level trim car as a commuter. I have no doubt with the premier + watts link and revised steering its fine for those who want it a bit sharper. The car just came out too, we'll have a performance version down the road. Really, it is amazing, I drove the civic turbo and this back to back, and the Civic is a nice car. But the turbo has lag, not tire spinning torquey, and what ruins it is the CVT and typical Honda tinny / noise crap. Get in the Cruze right after and its quiet and feels refined, like a little luxury car. I'm friggin shocked. Like I said, for the bulk of the population, I don't see how this is not the best compact out there. No way general folks won't like the quietness of it and make it #1 vs the Civic and Mazda if they drive it. The lame ass buff books will still call the Honda and Mazda the winners, and honestly its a lie for them to do that. By the way, what i found strange most of all was how much quicker the 1.4 cruze felt than the 1.5 malibu. I bet there is a full second diff in the 0-60, withe Cruze being faster. The 1.5 Malibu runs out of breath quickly. The Cruze winds up and lasts longer. You gotta gas it to downshift, otherwise it might feel slower. The Cruze feels like a mid 7 second car. The Mazda 3 is a nice car, but just from pics I can bet the Cruze has one upped them at least. The Cruze is a segment leader in sales.. and only fell in sales last year because of the change-over. Magazines act a if they don't kno this.. and completely forget that the new Cruze was supposed to debut a year ago. I think the idea was to essentially kill the Chevy Car line.. and Reboot it almost simultaneously with a Camaro, Volt, Malibu, Cruze SLAM.. riding on the wave of the Stingray, Impala, and SS. The Sonic and Spark got makeovers too. As for the acceleration difference between the 'Bu and the Cruze.. Yeah.. I have read that it might be the case. But there for those who want a faster Malibu... the 250HP Malibu 2.0L Turbo actually is almost as fast as my 3.6L Impala. STEPPING STONES I think is the way they are modelling it, so I don't find it strange at all.

Shame that they had that to say, but then I really think Manuals are the way of dodo birds and should go to the history books. I agree at this point due to the fun to drive factor of automatics... sorry manual lovers, but unless U live in Texas.. and I mean BIG Texas and not Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Fortworth, or Austin, then U really get more frustration than anything else these days with congestion the way it is. I love my Stingray's 7Speed... but I love my CTS-V's 8Speed more Shame that they had that to say, but then I really think Manuals are the way of dodo birds and should go to the history books. Well my car isn't getting any younger, and I have to consider what I'd get as an affordable replacement if it died or was totaled. A new Cruze 5-door was looking pretty attractive (for band gigs), but I've gotta have a stick shift if I'm gonna be stuck in a low power mainstream car. In the end.. U should have tested the manual out before U read what they said. It may just influence your decision some how even when U do now.

The last Cruse and Verano.. not to mention, Sonic and Volt were all awesome compacts (sub), but these latest efforts are 2 steps better. The steering commentary I think is a non-issue because I really think that they may have a nice surprise in store with an "SS" and truth of the matter seems that having a "sports" compact is a secondary, by a longshot, concern for 90 percent of this market

All four of my Cadillacs ('05STS, 09,12,16 CTS-V) have had leather without me paying extra. But I will add that I have not had base car in 16 years. Cadillac or otherwise

The E-Class is the Taxi-cab of Europe... People/Photographers probably aren't interested. I kno I'm not. f@#k Mercedes The whole Fleet of them: I searched for a late model Cadillac taxi and cannot find one in its home market. Now Smk will tell us that a REAL luxury car maker is one that has a fleet of taxis waiting for U down on the street

Hey.. Prince used to bang her

As a Cadillac lover and owner.. I for one love that they can spin circles around the German engineered 3.. no make that 4. Cause I bet good money that I could go out and whip on a 911 with the CTS-V... especially after I've done it several times with the lil ole Stingray As far as the Continental.. I think we should wait and see. Ford is banking on a major thing concerning all Luxury buyers on the market these days.. That the car has a.. name and not letters/numbers. Cause that is what makes a luxury car a luxury car

NO NO NO!!! What U two FAIL to realize is that German Luxury.. the smugness of it all.. the pretentiousness.. is about being a customer who will absolutely feel ingratiated to the manufacturer for giving U LESS.. for MORE. It is a given.. it is written.. in the Holy Journal of European Luxury.. that "Thou shall not call it Luxury.. unless its Ala Carte " "Thou shall not call it Luxury.. unless the vehicle is always advertised and held high by the most expensive trim, but is always purchased in base form" "Thou shall not call it Luxury.. unless buying one requires from its supposedly, but fake, affluent buyers... a 96 Month Finance approval" "Thou shall not call it Luxury.. unless the great engineering also requires constant maintenance, and even then get rid of it on day 2 of warranty end" "Thou shall not call it Luxury.. unless the styling is complete bull$h! and boring, looking no more distinct than a random Jellybean" "Thou shall not call it Luxury.. unless the dealership looks like a women's make-up store" " Thou shall not call it Luxury.. unless U leave outta said dealership after purchase with your rectum turned inside out and hanging like an elephants trunk.. cause baby.. U just got f@#kED.. with no KY, no Vaseline.. just some old sandpaper they had lying around"

Looks like an Sephora store my Girlfriend makes me take her to. Cheap ass looking Mercedes dealership. Sounds awesome just like my Cadillac dealership. Glad the experience is so solid. Yet with that, just like my dealership, this is just bland and does not speak luxury to me. In this case I would have to say that both MB and Cadillac have failed us in having a luxury attractive dealership. That building is actually pretty huge, because it goes back really far. And you drive inside to drop your car off,so you are never outside, which is nice in winter. But the service from the people I think is more important to the experience rather than the building. Same thing at my Chevy dealership.. and GMC/Buick... let alone Cadillac. Is that abnormal?

Hold up.. are U saying that General Motors is incapable of building an engine with more power/torque than the V12 BT?? LOL.. U Crazy.. On top of that.. why would they need to. The LT4 in a car the weight of a CT6.. that's almost 1000lbs less than the S-Class doesn't need that much torque to achieve a.. LOL.. 4.2 0-60 time. It could achieve that with a NA LT1 The argument about the S-Class being heavily discounted is not only sound.. but relevant. If U are gonna tout the $220,000 price as something that is so desirable.. then explain why NO ONE ACTUALLY PAYS the $220,000 price. Incentives?? Even without the $220,000.. ooooops... $170,000 (price corrected for fire-sale) Cadillac still managed to have the highest ATPs last month and ranked in the top 2 most of 2015 and 16 Bottom line on the CT8 is U don;t kno a GOD DAMN thing yet.. nor do I, but I personally don;t see a need for a CT8, when the CT7 hasn't shown up yet. Quite frankly I would be disapointed if Cadillac followed the tired German formula at this point with just another big sedan in a market segment that is going no where I'll agree on CT8, or anything else above a CT6. We don't know anything, especially because as of now it looks like they aren't going above CT6. But maybe they will, maybe the CT6 in 2nd generation will go up market and get a name change, when they name change ATS and CTS to CT-number cars. So we have to wait and see what happens there. I also think GM is capable of building a V12 engine, I just know that they won't spend the money to do it. They could try to increase more power form the LT4, but at what level of refinement? A car in that price range needs to be quiet and smooth too. I also think if it was so easy as drop an LT4 into a CT6 and price it against an AMG S-class they would have done that already. As far as ATP, the Escalade is a big % of Cadillac sales right now, it outsells the ATS and CTS. Once they get an XT3, and XT1 or sub-ATS car and the line up fills out, that average will drop. A better judge would be ATP of ATS compared to 3-series, IS, C-class and compare ATP of CTS to A6, 5-series, E-class, etc. If you go segment by segment Cadillac probably loses all of them. But BMW and Audi don't have an $85k SUV (base price, I know a loaded up X5 gets there) to pull their average up. Which why it has taken BMW this long to get na X7 is their own dumb fault as well. But I think brand ATP can be misleading on brands with only a few models. Nada... The Escalade sold 3200 last month.. the SRX.. right the least expensive due to incentives to get rid of old model for arrival of XT5, sold almost 1000 more. Surely that should have brought the ATP down.. or at least nullified any real gain that the Escalade offered. I think what U may be afraid to admit is that CTS sales stabilized.. being down by ONE.. ONE sale. On top of that.. a $100K CTS-V boost that number up some. I will add that the CTS was actually higher than the 5series in ATP in 2015.. Just admit it.. U hate Cadillac.. U hate GM.. U hate America

of Annapolis of Catonsville the one in Annapolis looks like an effin Elementary School. This kinda bewilders me. As to the Cadillac dealers as of late have been looking much more modern and upscale than the Benz ones, unless it is a shared Cadillac/Chevy one

I'm guess that as well. Ford trying to get back in to the Black Car business. I will correct U on at least one aspect tho.. the CT6.. is the superior vehicle at all price points IMO. The XTS.. is what the Lincoln people apparently bench-marked.. and I'm reserving judgement as to whether they did a better XTS or an, at best, equal one.