A Horse With No Name

Love the Golf R the best, i think.

Love that era of Pontiac.

And they should. Most buyers are rude and unethical with dismal credit.

From what i can tell, this is an out of the park home run. And I am not normally a fan of Infinity..

Ummmm...yeah...about that.....ummmmm...probably just as bad...

I really like this Jeep.

Nor will they ever.

I still do not trust them.

That was my thought.

That is an amazingly low bar to set... How the eff can you look at the photographs long enough to determine this...? Given Honda battery technology, quite literally a no go for me...Civic hybrid had horrible battery issues.

I really despise most car sales people. Seems likely....

I do also!

I appreciate the effort, but I am unimpressed with the product. Yeah....

It's why I won't be in Detroit in the middle of January. Really I wish they would re locate the showing of this thing...Detroit is pretty beat up as a city...they have suffered enough.

They got the shape right for a turd, and are not far off on the color. You can be forgiven for this...

As much as it might pain me to agree with the good gentleman from Lancaster, methinks he might well be on to something. I would still pick Jeep Grand....put a hemi in it and be done...

The beetle was 16K for a car that stickered at 32K with 18,000 miles on it....gotta love CPO

I didn't say that it would....their is far too much political support for subsiding fossil fuel vehicles.

Volvo depreciation is epic though.

A lot of details on that vehicle fall short IMHO. My vote is for GC....hands down. Interestingly, after looking at the Olds 98 thread...would be cool if Hybrid/electrical technology allowed car makers to build a true full size car again and meet CAFE and buyer expectations. I could handle an all electrical full size coupe, convertible or wagon with full battery electric powertrain. if that was only in production...or an all electric Toranado...Front wheel drive of course...

All the more reason to containerize freight, ship by rail, and deliver local with Semi's. Easily done with existing technology. Reality addicts like yourself take all of the fun out of life...quit trying to bring reason and authentic thinking into this.

There are. Given the cost in blood and toil in importing oil, as well as the environmental costs I would quite happily make the subsides permanent. It would be far cheaper. For a small portion of our national defense budget we could electrify the transportation in major cities. Go one major city at a time and do away with say 60 percent of the fossil fuel vehicles. In a few years, we could make major progress. Do the same thing with Coal fired Power plants also.

Couple of thoughts here...the $200 million is about 70 cents for every American to keep our auto industry relevant. If you don't want to spend 70 cents for each member of your household to keep our auto industry relevant than I really, really hope you enjoy it when you are buying Euro and Asian iron because American auto industry is no longer relevant. Also, if you want to do actual costs, I will play that game also. Put the costs of escorting tankers through the gulf and the costs of our interventions in the middle east...and the environmental costs, the actual environmental costs....on to a gallon of fuel. Do that, and when Diesel is $22.50 a gallon Balthazar and OCNblu will use a "Tesla" electrical tow truck to move a certain Duramax and a certain Jeep into the scrap metal yard, because they will have lost all relevance as transportation. At some point, a tipping point will be reached and their will be no going back. Same thing happened moving from Ocean liners to Air transport in the 1950's. When the Andrea Doria sank in 1956, she was only a couple of years away from loosing relevance. By 1958 more people crossed the Atlantic by Air, and the Ocean liners have never come back.

Quoted for truth...given our limited ability to invest and think for the future, we will never regain a meaningful lead.