A Horse With No Name

This would disqualify it for me. I go the other way...I would take a grand Cherokee. Most capable all wheel drive system, and there are several to chose from in the Grand Cherokee. GC is probably the only larger American SUV I would actually drop coin on. And you are not hearing me say this...but the Edge and Explorer are probably under rated and worth a look. not my personal choice, but one would be a fool not to look at the Ford Motor company products here.

The problem that I have is that a car like that is close but no cigar....40K will buy me a used C6 or a used Shelby. Different strokes for different folks. Any hatch is going to be a hatch for practicality reasons, the R will be much easier to live with.

Nothing much else needs said here, actually.

Ughhh.... Actually I like how the Lincoln design language works on their SUV's. It's not a bad looking vehicle in some ways. Departing now to wash my mouth out with soap and stick pins and needles into a dolls that looks suspiciously like Mark Fields.

Duramax or Cummins is fine.

Unlike the BMW and the Alfa this thing will self propel after the warranty expires without expensive life support.

If the Magnum had feelings I am sure the auto was cross with him when he sold it. My wife's family had an AMC hornet when she was a kid...in families and car companies there are parts of the past that really belong in the closet. I love the aspirations of the Korean companies. A real part of me is excited as an enthusiast here.

Yes I hate Ford...but true story I was riding in a Ford tow truck once that broke down. If Ford ever builds a Pure EV I will honestly buy Bill the biggest steak and the Coldest beer in Lancaster Pennsylvania so we can sit there all night and trash talk that thing. That would just be epic. Yes...there is enough beer to make fat chicks look hot. No, there is not enough beer to make me want a Ford.

The gentleman in my avatar pic in front of me test drove one straight off of the semi that delivered it. It blew a head gasket on the test drive. Gorgeous blue RS in my neighborhood, I parked next to it at the polling place when I voted. But given that kind of coin for a hot hatch I would own a Golf R so fast it would make your head spin. I would upvote this by ten thousand if I could. And I would so buy a used 911 or an F type as a pricey fun car.

Yeah...I agree with the circles the problem quote. Speak for yourself when you say Ford and Trusted in the same sentence. I comprehended no effing Ford in my driveway. My son bought one to resell and I made him park it on the street...

It would make it affordable to me at 32 rather than 39K.

As the former owner of a 55 Chevy...this is painful to look at.

Large woodworking machines are cheaper now than they were 30 years ago by far.

I would agree one hundred percent with you here.

As for the Amish all I care to know is that I really enjoy talking to Amish woodworking people when they shop at the same supply house or lumber mill I like to use.

That also. Your answer is essentially non competitive with mine...we are both correct. Something can be environmental waste and an act against personal liberty at the same time. Or better yet just don't take the bait if you think he is baiting you. There is a world of ideas relating to the fossil fuel side of the equation. Deal with those ideas. I don't give a damn about who has sand in their manly bits about what was said here. I want to talk about cars.

Hell yes they need to do this.

Hopefully the three gets off of the ground and Tesla moves forward. That would put your fillings through the back window...of tow a freight train...or both...

I certainly don't advocate all of the points above in exactly the format made, but we did have a rational discussion.

Ohhhh very much so. The writing was on the wall for passenger trains in 1941 but they continued on for another 30 years. They have a place, but nothing like they once did. Same with internal combustion passenger vehicles. I remember reading an article published in 1941 that said the same thing about the passenger train. My point in posting all of that is that there is a way to debate the pro EV folks rationally without stomping off to your room like a 9 year old who won't eat his porridge. Some day humans will no longer be the dominant life force on this planet.

#19. Fossil fuels are uniquely transportable-for things like exploring the antarctic where no EV re-charging structure exists or is very remote, fossil fueled vehicles make a lot of sense. Same thing could be said of deep jungles. #20. Aesthetically, the smell of race gas, the sound of an internal combustion race motor on a cold morning, and the joy of internal combustion competition should not pass from this planet. I just wrote this up quickly to show that there is an alternate side to the argument we are not looking at. It's a shame when this needs to be brought up by an Ev fan and not an internal combustion advocate. Open to additional debate and discussion about the future of propulsion.

#16. People have a right to free choice in vehicles. Forcing an EV mandate treats people like small children unable to determine the course they want for the future. If someone wants to buy an F350 knowing full well fuel prices could spike in the future, giving them the freedom to make that choice is the adult thing to do, and treats them like adults. #17. Planning everything for the future and leaving nothing for today is a form of futurism that is toxic. We don't know what course humans will take in the future, so over planning can be harmful. Fossil fuel vehicles are a well established technology that works well for today and should be embraced. #18. An over emphasis on EV vehicles takes away credit from two things...A. fossil fuels ahve been a huge gift and a huge blessing over the last two hundred years and B. Fossil fuel companies are not the anti-Christ-they bring us on a daily basis what we need to keep society running. Without fossil fuels, anarchy and chaos would result, ending the lives of millions, perhaps billions of people and diminishing the lives of all 7 billion of us.

#15. The affirmative for the proposition would affirm that if we are honest dealing with climate change may be best done by other means than EV automobiles. One could stop giving federal aid to say Miami after hurricanes, and also inform people buying property in Miami of the long term environmental peril of their situation. People should be free to buy property there...we as the rest of the country should not be forced to bail them out. And people have a right to know what will happen with their insurance premiums and the city they choose to live in. This is a form of dealing with the problems we face honestly that does not involve electrification of passenger vehicles and light trucks.