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and there you have it, now I shall take and do as Uncle Burt did. Could you please mail this story to Toyota and have them use it for a commercial, its a real tear jerker, pulls at the ol heart strings, let me tell ya.

Turkey, what ? Who ? I couldnt read it, passed the Corvette part. I guess the boy dont know C5 Corvette sales were up because they had great deals on remaining inventory at years end? Every Chevy dealer even in the boonies had 2 or 3 of them sitting out front. Then we all know these companies make thses kinds of cars to sell to..... Bob Well I guess thank goodness for turkeys or we'd all be driving silver camrys and smilin and waving to everybody we meet. Meet Bob ! Bobs a good boy, he takes his pills everyday. He smiles all the time and always says "yesem massa" "if yous says so massa" Hi Bob, you can call me Bob :D

Eric Bryant - I am aware that many of the anti GM posters here have an agenda behind their posts. Thats is why I will continue to point it out. So long as the Japs are giving us money we will sell them anything they desire - correct ? Hey want our mothers ? How much will ya give me ? There, you want my wife ? Whats she worth ? Being rediculous you say, am I really? or just making a point ? We started selling Japan our assets decades ago, now look where we are, looking down the barrel of a gun. Whats the friggin sence of having a country anyhow ? Why did we even bother fighting in any wars ? Why not just give it all over from the start and avoid all the headlines ? Why fight for GM or American anything ? We are giving it all up for trader numbers anyhow. Stimulate that economy, regardless of the end results, we can always steer it away from that headwall with more stimulation when its becoming apparent were about to hit. Almost as good a sex taint it ?

Well Im going to assume, back in 84, after watching the first bout of job deportation the UAW asked itself what to do to protect their work interests. Job banks ! Well GM did not put the workers to work and keep investment dollars at home and decided to pay double incomes. I actually commend the UAW for this plan, too bad it did not work. Management and stocktraders only care about the short term so somehow they got double screwed on mis use of job banks That said there can be no more job banks. Not working this time. The UAW workers should see this and be more than willing ot let job banks go. Those eligible for retirement should do so then younger employees in the job banks can have work if they are willing to relocate to another plant, if that be the case. Seems like the UAW and GM has a fairly easy out of much of the current problems. early retirements, no more job banks, and no more investing in stupid foreign companies and blameing future financial problems on your employees. Of course it wouldnt hurt if our government put a choke collar on those frothin healthcare providers and insurance companies. Then they could put all Japanese concerns back out to sea where they belong. :lol:

Now we just need the media and as well as some of the posters on this site to go overseas and explain to those poor souls why they should not buy GM :rolleyes:

turbo - right there buddy ! Im not ignorant nor narrowminded and you damn well better bet Im arrogant and stubborn about being American. I've read these posts and they are nothing more nor nothing less than the same Asian promotional bull comming from the media, and those such as yourself that post here and claims every car line GM has or has had was junk . Now because I's point that out, ya's wansts ta starts a callin me names ? Lets get the general public to view this forum to see what kind of cars to buy. Well it wont take you fellas long to turn them away. Theres a handful of GM enthous here and you guys are going to turn us too or die tryin, its quite clear to me. ya know I had to put a reman alt. in my 327,000 mile 1990 Olds last month, damn POS ! now I had to put new tank & sending unit in other 1990 194,000 mile Olds wagon this week, damn rust, that would have never happened if GM had of been doing their job ! My 97 Olds 110,000 miles, damn thing just wont break, damn junk GM's been making these last 20 years ! I bet its just about to need front brake pads, stupid junk ! What the hell kind of " narrow-minded, uninformed, stubborn, arrogant.. " person would put up with that crap. <_<

its obvious from the posts of Hudson and GMrebirth where they are comming from. Buy Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Hyundia and Kia. To bad your not hooked up to recieve pay for all your anti Domestic pro asain propaganda.

General Electric was nearby here, in Schenectady. They had really destructive layoffs 20 some years ago. I was a pretty large facility, a bit of a city itself. they've taken down alot of buildings now and you can see to the back, nearly. parkinglots have been removed and grass planted. Its looking more like athletic fields. It was a steam turbine plant mainly and loss of expanding the Nuclear power plants was primary reason for loss of work. There was also American Locomotive Co. but they were slowing during the 60's I dont know when they shut the doors there. A few thousand paper mill jobs and surrounding forest and trucking industries A few thousand fabric shop jobs Leather industry The areas of Schenectady that were once lower middle class neighborhoods are now mostly comprised of those that dont actually work. The workers went elsewhere, many took awhile to get their feet regrounded, I know a few, I also know a few that still work there. Some relocated for GE elsewhere. Its never pretty and only affects those it touches, no one else knows the feeling, till they feel it.

and still no one want to address the rapid and never ending increase in the cost of doctering and medicine. I mean what is truely at the heart of the greatests money sponges we are confronted with today ? Id be more interested in something real important like that than cryin about some single man.

Wow that took along time to read, but I did, I read each and every word ya'll posted. Now that Im done Im wondering what makes this Moore guy such an ass ? Im wondering if its catching becasue it seems to have gotten passed around a bit. ? Well a few of you made posts that made sense, the rest well, looked like narrow minded bias hype. Im going to have to get a few of these other movies and watch them. I saw the one about Flint and Smith and saw it for what it was. Maybe some people can only see the one side so they get pissed off about the guy thats standing on the other ? If I go to college will they explain to me just exactly at which point I will become blindly ignorant to all walks of life and the importance of each ? Im glad the US went to Irac.............time to leave :lol:

well gee, what else have we going on ? Is the Caddy A&S thing really all that ? From what little of the sportscar topic I managed to get Id say that XLR was lookin kinda tame, possibly lame. Also thought the Sky was lookin kind of unfinished. I think for one that they are showing some Cuda there by tameing the side cut some. I think they lambed out on the front treatment. It should be cut, leaned out and sharpened, rear quarter swell is exc. as well Lot of potential infront of this car.

oh boy ! Im glad Im not in this one, hang in there men ! all the kings horses and all the kings men

Just as with the 66 Toronado that 59 is love it or hate it styling. Im not a hater of anything but what mess's with my country, like Asian cars, however beyond interesting folds and bends and the tail shot there is nothing about how the 59 or Martha Stewart came together that pulls me. Lucerne for my eyes is the first strikingly handsome car to come from Buick since the 95 Riviera and thats 11 years. PA & Lacrosse were mediocre by comparision.

I cant draw to proportions Sal, sorry

:lol: :rolleyes: oh ow stop it ^_^

I never thought about how old the turbo was, I didnt know, I would have figured more recent. I know so 30's cars were supercharged. I wonder what old cars were turboed ? As I got done with that artical I began to think I had already read about the Porsche variable vane once.

OK, how about another way to look at retro and come up optimistic. So we go retro, then what? that design will have to evolve. Now, where is that going to lead us ? Perhaps yet another era of wonderful automotive styling. Either way the tubular design of the 90's is gone and we should be pleased. [remember my newest car is a classic tube :AH-HA_wink: ]

No, the least intelligent thing as of now, is your interpretation of what was writtin. :metal:

So Im hopeing most of this will be retirements, with some early retirement buy outs ? No way around the fact that they must consolidate. Its crazy to run plants too far below effecient production. Well, Ill try to be optimistic about this and figure perhaps after retools and if sales improve, more jobs could become available, and GM can prosper and tow the line on their pension funds, no stock holder losses, no offshoreing of jobs that can be done here and save all the shipping fuel and phone bills, ect . ect. ect. ect ya know if they went from 5 lug wheels to 4 lug wheels they could save 5 million, the retool would cost 8 mill, +bonuses around 6 mill oh boy

So your looking for the company that did the conversion ? Or your saying it was a GM in house project ? I wouldnt know either way but I like how they did the leading wheel. I should remember some of the names of earlier track companys but its all slipped away except Cletrac and Cat. and County. Wonder if anyone in these parts every had one ? Most like at least one or one of the old track tractors. Grandpa would remember, miss that guy, he was a walking history book of this area since the 20's and remembered stuff he had seen even younger and older infomation he learned. Lived healthy to 93. I have old runner made locally from who knows when. Its stamped into the fine grained old growth white pine, the name of the man and the town. Its a relative from my mothers side of the family. Love those seats !

I think I still would have rather pulled ol Jeb and Bess out of the barn and headed down town with bells a jinglin' B) With rubber tires this thing would be pathatic next to a Cord. And with the tracks and runners Id prefer the old Cord :AH-HA_wink: [all seriousness]

Thats sad LA, that crap would make me way more over the edge than I am now. Part of the reason for many of my misunderstood and thought to be strange views on things. Anyhow I have had my equipement messed with even here up in the woods. Skidder - Started and taken, left 5 miles away. Log loader site truck -Started drivin around, abused then brought back. Skidder - One time started put in gear and left to run itself to death. There was a pile of rubber behind the tire I could sift my hands through like sand. The front end road up a tree so the front tires were off the ground but a small tree was against the inside side wall and burnt it down to the belts. The engine had coolant in the oil. Thousands of dollars and thousand of destroyed overstressed braincells later I was back to work, a changed man. I've ripped people a new sphinkter for just driving by and looking at me, chased them down and asked them just what the hell they were up to. No kiddin. Loader truck - bow hunter was convinced I cut down his tree, stole his tree stand and smashed the gauges out of my truck. I found out through the state DEC who cut the tree and took the tree stand, it was them, tree stands can not be left overnight on stateland, I asked them if they ever considered for a second that I would bare the blunt of their stupid, stupid action. they didnt care. They were college grads BTW ! Skidder- city hunters got stuck in early snow, with stupid car down big hill, decided to remove my ignition and hot wire my machine, couldnt figure out how to do it and chucked the ignition away in the snow. I caught them, it turned into a big brawl, of which I did not loose but they still werent men enough to admit to it and tell me where they threw my ignition. There were foot prints all over in the snow and they led directly to them no more than 100 yards away. Fear is the only detourant ! Tools taken from my truck while I was of in the woods working. No its not a greenpeace thing either. Its punk assed white kids, hunters, possibly competeing loggers, and grown men.

:lol: Owch ! Couldnt have said it better. BMW has remained very imbedded in their distinct styling traits, still even today I believe. I like how they look however, not to much not to little. Anyhow this Challenger is just the ticket for all us "rednecks". come on Reg :rolleyes: I'll be dreaming of them out on the track with the new Stangs sweeping the dirt and stones with BMW butt ! Of course I hope they come with the mandatory Joe Dirt carpet. :P Oh and I love round headlights. So new and "innovative" :unsure: after 3 decades of rectangles. Which is about all that would work on this kind of facial treatment. On a very serious note - Harley, retract your statement, ignore the previous, and come hang out, I believe the origional comment about it just being a concept was fairly accurate. Still its hard not to get excited about something that has some character and class for a change. With this car they can put that "300" back on the trailor

Hey, is that Fly, overlooking the Walmart parking lot ? :lol:

yea, your all about that alright, problem is you offer so little anyhow, perhaps you found your best asset ? I read BV's post 3 times and certainly dont get your reaction to it, but theres that challange for ya :unsure: