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Bunk. A proper, and flexible mix of product is a superior strategy. One-size-fits-all is a losing approach.

My Grandparents had one of those in use until the late '80s when they sold their house and moved in with my parents. The fridge still worked fine at the time.

I think our friend PCS, has become so caught up in the politics of all of this that he's forgotten the product. He is full of pronouncements of "power" and damnation for everything RWD and Holden, yet where is the endorsement for any "superior" products? I don't see what he and GME have to offer that we should all go crazy over. Where are his "gotta have" alternatives? *crickets chirping*

There is a link on the top of the listings page to switch back.

I think GM will be willing to eat some of the cost to get the price down a bit. A gamble , to be sure, but I think it will be worth it in the long run.

I agree. The new one is painfully slow as well.

QUOTE(FUTURE_OF_GM @ Jan 28 2008, 12:08 AM) [snapback]361792[/snapback] I've been here for 7 years now I think? I was one of the first 10 members. (I can't remember what number though) I joined in late December of 01 (I think it was on New Years Eve) when I was still deciding between a Firehawk and an SSR. I think I was member# 15 or thereabout.

The GTO didn't flop, but it could have and should have done better. The deck was stacked against it in many ways, so much so that if you didn't drive one, you would never have known how great it actually was as a car. Too many people decided it wasn't "what a GTO should be" without taking that all important drive. The ST won't suffer from that affliction. In everything but name it is an El Camino. And the best one yet built on top of that.

If I could afford to buy two I would. But I love Pontiac and El Caminos, so the ST works for me as is. Tempting though.

Wishful thinking there. The ST has the advantage of not being butt-ugly, and it can also perform, and oh yeah, actually carry the toys those with an "active lifestyle" want to take with them. The ST will sell out easily each year. Oh, and the under 35 crowd? Many of them already plan on making this purchase. Why? Because they want to replace their El Caminos. :AH-HA_wink:

It's time for GM to actually put the RWD cars on the market and see how they sell inthe real world instead of second- guessing themselves ahead of the game. I'm all for killing the Colorado/Canyon and Trailblazer/Envoy in favor of zetas.

*bump* Just because I'm so happy that the ST is coming! And to the naysayers:

Hmmm

Well, you are not alone - a great many people don't understand. That doesn't mean that the private ownership of guns is a negative thing, it only means that understanding is in short supply. Also, to classify gun ownership as a "rural Republican thing " is to miss the scope of things completely. My position is simple, I don't currently have a use for a gun - so I don't have one. However, if it looks like that right is likely to be taken away, I will secure one immediately. I take the restriction of personal freedom quite seriously.

Now that is odd - and a disappointment. Still, it is of minor concern to me in the face of the rest of the package.

Caprice = Holden Statesman Lumina = Holden Commodore The Impala logo is an odd addition.

Damn KC, very heavy duty wreck. You are a lucky man. Sounds like a true "accident" very rare.

Those of us on staff here have put that whole mess far behind us, might not be a bad thing for the membership to do the same. Just a thought.

That would be a major understatement.

When I read your first post, I got the impression that you were saying $4,500 for the pair. That would be a deal I'd jump on. Otherwise, it would be time to negotiate vigorously. Resto parts for these cars are inexpensive generally, and easy to come by. The detail parts for the Firebird would be the bigger challenge. That lot is chock full of temptation! and potential.

You're dreaming PCS, The Indian Nationals in this country are here because they aspire to something better. They won't buy a glorified golf cart.

When the GTO debuted it put all GMNA interiors to shame, if the G8 equals or betters the GTO interior we should have no concerns about the quality. Holden is a bargain vs. BMW as it looks better, performs better, costs less, and regularly hands BMW its ass in competition on the track. What's not to love? Especially in this market dominated by soulless blobs of boredom that measure the differences between them mostly by the badge they wear.

The answer is, more than enough. Check out the number of members NECOA has, and you may begin to understand. Some people never understood the El Camino and never will - that's fine. However more than enough do to cover the measly possible production run of 5-10k units per year. If you think otherwise, you are a fool.To a great many people, the El Camino is an icon of the first order. much like the Corvette. And, like the Corvette, it needed very little advertising to meet its sales projections. El Camino was never a piece of bland sedan transportation, it has always been a statement of individuality. Its utility and flexibility, though significant, were never its main draw. Passion is what always sold the El Camino, and passion is what will sell the ST. If you don't get it, that's fine, take the zero and go home.

Thanks Cyclonic. I have been waiting for over twenty years for this opportunity and intend to take it now that I have the chance. Despite what those of lesser intellect might say, the ST will sell out as long as it is offered. Holden can only build a limited number of them for export to us and all will sell without a fight. The run may be short due to the kings of idiocy in Washington, but while available, the ST will be a hot product. Like it or not, El Camino fans are legion. The vehicle was introduced in 1959 for two model years on the full size Chevy platform and then re-introduced in 1964 on the then new Chevelle platform. El Camino then ran all the way to 1987 (with a few 1988s built), having outlasted the legendary Chevelle and its successor, the Malibu. Only the end of the RWD G-body ended El Camino's production run. To liken it to a one-off like SSR, or a compact joke like Baja shows a level of ignorance that would do well to keep its mouth shut. The ST will sell automatically, much as Pontiac mistakenly thought the new GTO would. Unlike the GTO which struggled to make a connection with its earlier namesakes, the ST's bodyshape and running gear say El Camino in an unmistakeable way. And that is all it has to say to sell out its limited production each year.