Robert Hall

Cool, cool, cool... would love to have seen that!

Interesting that the show car has a Blaupunkt radio rather than the usual GM corporate one..

Yeah, I wonder what happened to razoredge...he could be really annoying with his constant negativity, but definitely added some flavor..

Speaking of styling influences, driving home last night I saw a black '06 GTO and a black Bonneville GXP... cars that I rarely ever see.

Mmmm..guilty pleasures. I'll admit I've long lusted after Suburbans..they are vehicles that make absolutely no sense for me, too big, too thirsty, too impractical, but for some reason I've always liked them... and I don't like trucks, but they are one truck I like.. I also have a soft spot for big cushy luxury cars...I always liked my parents' Lincoln Town Cars, Lexus LSes, '80s-90s Mercedes S-classes, the '92-96 Caddy Fleetwood, the '92-96 Buick Roadmaster...nothing remotely sport sedan about 'em, but I like 'em...and I'm not anywhere near retirement age... The Ariel Atom. Totally insane, ultra light, impractical sports car. I'd love to have one for vacations on winding Ohio backroads.. '80s Camaro IROC-Zs and Firebird Trans Am GTAs... though I've been a Mustang fan and owner since the '80s (and a BMW enthusiast/owner for almost 10 years), I've always had a soft spot for the 3rd generation mullett-mobiles.

The whole thing smells of despiration.. which Ford is these days. Bold Moves? Desperate Moves...

Ugly appliances..they will probably sell quite well, though...

And issued press releases, photos, etc...NAIAS time frame... the pics are still on the C&G site somewhere..with the Five Hundred badge on the decklid.... now to be replaced with a Taurus badge. To continue: Bystander: How is that pronounced? Ford Rep: 'Mark Z'. (ten minutes later): Ford Rep: Correction...that's 'M'-'K'-'Z'.

Hertz will be very happy to get the Taurus name back..

By the way, the press release said that the new logo was an experiment..that implies the production car will have a regular Pontiac badge..

The Five Hundred becomes the Taurus for '08, the Freestyle becomes the Taurus X. The Montego becomes the Sable. http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...showtopic=15329

It didn't take that long..the VE Commodore only went on sale in OZ last September..

Well, the Freestyle was a rather lame name..and the Freestyle more-or-less replaced the Taurus wagon, so it's appropriate for it to become a Taurus..

I'm guessing it's going to be about 190 inches long or so... maybe a bit longer than the GTO... since it doesn't have the big overhangs of the Impala or Monte, it will be shorter..I think the wheelbase is about 114 inches or so..

12:01 am in what time zone???

Exactly..this car is completely new to the NA market.. 99% of the general car buying public have no idea what a Holden is, let alone where Australia is... This would be a completely different story if Pontiac took a current NA market Chevy and tweaked it to be a Pontiac (which they have done in the past).

I've driven with snow tires in the winter..they work. Snow tires and traction control, should be fine..

SNOW TIRES. 4 OF THEM. Of course, if I bought one of these, I wouldn't drive it when it snows..that's what my SUV is for..

This is a Pontiac I could actually see myself buying, rather than renting..

Honestly, I'd have to study both the G8 and CTS closely and test drive each...all things being equal, I find both cars attractive and interesting...can't wait to see both in person..

It will probably have traction control....put on a good set of snow tires and it will be fine for winter use...

Some people will whine about anything...the only way they are happy is when they are complaining...

Yes...hopefully those wheels show up, though..they are pretty slick looking, iMHO...not the usual dull 5-spoke.

And the exterior design..the G8 looks much better than the Charger, IMHO...can't wait to see it in person... And the availability of a manual immediately puts the G8 above the Charger and 300C as far as I'm concerned...

Well, the 362 hp definitely beats the 5.7 Hemi's 350hp... I bet they will do a 400+ hp GXP model to compete with the SRT8 if the GT is a success...