Drew Dowdell

I don't see it in there.

Wonder if the supercharger means they are going Miller Cycle on the 4-cylinder. It's the only reason I can think of to do so instead of a Turbo.

You're better off with a narrower 18" wheel than the 19" wheel for snow.

195 ft-lb at 1750rpm from a 1.6 is "a little low on torque"?

Queue the VQ V6 for the next Titan....

If Kia Hyundai keep this up they are going to have a new problem..... competing too much with each other.

Everyone should take the time to go in and check their signatures and profiles. Might be a good reminder to keep your information up to date.

This is just the default skin. We haven't done any visual customizations yet. That will be coming after I'm confident that the upgrade's bugs have been squished.

Why come back when they don't have a full lineup yet?

Well the Lacrosse isn't meant to be a sporty car, it's meant to be a soft car. The Town Car is a terrible handling car and it's RWD. The Cobalt SS is a great handling car that was able to out run its contemporary RWD 3-series around the 'Ring and it was FWD. So yes, GM has done something special to FWD (especially now with hi-per strut) but I don't expect my grandmother's Lacrosse to handle like a 5-series because it isn't meant to.

The 2004 CTS V6 Automatic was 3,568, so under 3600lbs for a smaller car that was built from the ground up to be lightweight should be doable.

Topic load issue appears to be resolved for the moment. But the ticket is still open while the software provider takes a look at things

I was really sad to see the Cruze go when I had to turn it in last week.... and I don't even really like economy cars. The Verano should be great.

We're having an issue with the second page of some threads not loading properly. I am aware of the issue and I'm working on a fix. Also, before anyone complains about the look/feel, this is just the default skin. We will be moving to a custom skin in a few days.

We're back on in Beta mode.

I'm going to take the site down in a few minutes.

With computer modeling, most of the tuning to get it to 9/10ths can be done back home in Michigan. Getting that final 10th is what takes the 2 weeks. Sometimes I think BMW lives there just to make a name for themselves instead of actually doing anything very productive. We aren't seeing yearly advances in 3-series handling performance.

And ES350/TL/RL drivers who want to go up in class but don't want RWD (yes, they are out there) In China this could sell with an Ecotec 2.4 and still do well because the chauffeured care more about fuel economy than speed. This is the key point. I don't see the XTS as a big seller, even if it doubles the DTS, it is 2,000 cars a month. And if they fleet a lot of them off, what is the profit margin on those? GM for years had tons of sales volume and lost money because of legacy costs, massive rebates, fleets, etc. Brand positioning and profitability should be the focus. (Edit: and I know I said 3k a month earlier, but that is a high side and given lots of marketing during year one and a lot of fleet/livery sales. We've seen GM cars do well out of the gate then fall off before) So are you going to take my bet or no?

So I guess I don't follow. Cadillac selling a vehicle in a segment at the same price as its rivals and coming in a comfortable 3rd place in sales after being at the bottom in sales for years isn't a success how? Just because it isn't a badge engineered E-class? Is that really what its going to take to satisfy you? Just scratch off the 3-point star, paste on a wreath and call it a day? Isn't 3k units a month proof that a segment for this car would exist out there? Is the $45k dollar those buyers pay less green? I'm not against a RWD flagship at all. But I think the XTS has its place as well. If Cadillac can make money from it without damaging the brand.... why not? We've already seen what GM can do with a FWD platform in the old Cobalt. The Lacrosse is already one of the better handling FWD sedans out there..... I don't have the fears of the XTS that some of you do. I also am realistic in that getting a new car on the market is more involved than "downloading an app"... and I haven't forgotten that nearly everything got shelved 2 years ago while GM went through bankruptcy.

Ok. Fine. The A6 then. The ZTS is coming to slot above the XTS. Regarding the ZTS: fair enough. The Ciel is a good start. But regarding the A6 comparison...I'm not buying it. I don't see the XTS as a real competitor to the A6--and it doesn't look like GM is that confident it'll compete in that segment either. You don't think the XTS will outsell the A6?

Ok. Fine. The A6 then. The ZTS is coming to slot above the XTS.

So MKS sells half what the Continental did. Chrysler killed the FWD big sedans and went to RWD. LeSabre in 2000 sold 148,000 units. Park Avenue 48,000 Deville sold 105,000 Seville/Eldorado/Aurora combined for 71,000 Bonneville 66,000 Together that is 438,000 large FWD cars of about 200 inches in length. In 2011, the LaCrosse, Lucerne and DTS have combined for 74,000 sales, on pace for 98,600 for the full year. 438,000 cars to 98,000 cars in 11 years. Full size FWD luxury or near luxury is dying. Cadillac should be putting every dollar into rear wheel drive, a new V8, a new transmission, and fuel saving measures. And Avalon, ES, and RL, and S60 and S80, and MKS, and Taurus.....you forgot those numbers.

It is still a cheaper car, and the A8 is a sales dog. Compare retail XTS sales vs retail E-class or 5-series, at least they are at the same price point. It wouldn't surprise me if the XTS sells 3,000 cars a month, especially while new with a lot of marketing and picking up lost Town Car sales in the livery market. There is still a segment of older buyers that like a big, soft Cadillac, but I see this car at the end of its life cycle back down around 1000 cars a month like the DTS and MKS are at now. And probably another one and done GM car like the Cobalt, Lucerne, most Saturns, etc. So you admit that the XTS will easily come in 3rd place in sales behind the 5-series and E-Class with little effort by Cadillac, thereby outselling RWD mavens like the Genesis, M35/45, GS350/450, and Jaguar XF. While also soundly trouncing the A6 AND A8 combined, the MKS, the RL, the S60, and the S80. and in a market segment that Cadillac was under performing in for the past few years no less. Your argument that the platform it is based on will kill the car doesn't hold water since it would end up outselling at least 4 RWD cars.

There will be some downtime tonight. Don't Panic! Edit: and there is a very good chance I'm going to break the front page tonight. Continue to not panic.

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