Drew Dowdell

this list just feels incredibly out of date.

that may be true if they planned on never offering the turbo. I think they left extra room there on purpose.

I can't believe we're actually going to get a second generation of this thing....

Isn't buying her a Town and Country sort of like buying her a new vacuum for V-Day? This would be for Albert.

Just a quick fun discussion. If you could buy any new car for your Valentine, money no object, what would it be? Remember, you're not buying for yourself, so pick out something your sweetheart would want and like.

Segment changer!

They're probably hitting the used lots now.

Already done.

I don't like the looks of the C-Max because it's like they can't decide which design language to go with so they just use both.

Ooooh. Upload some pics to the garage!

disagree, it isn't lacking, it just isn't what you're expecting.

it's called camo for a reason ya know..

Happy belated on here... but I got ya on facebook anyhow.

they still exist?

2014 is when we'll see the new smaller Equinox. I don't think it will be Trax. It will be moving the 'Nox size more in line with its direct competition in price.

Now that is a recipe I could enjoy - especially wrapped in a Code 130R Nomad. I'm just pointing out what DI + Turbo can do for torque curve.

Well for example, the new GM 1.6T that is coming with DI and turbo, 200 lb-ft (which is the max) at 1,500 rpm.

There are turbos coming. Not sure that would change things much in the character of the engine down low. uhm... that is entirely what it changes. looking at the torque curve for the WRX (which isn't direct injected) it hits max torque at 2,100 rpm. Adding DI (which the FR-S already has) will likely lower that even further.

There are turbos coming.

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Altima has been running with a CVT for a generation now and Honda buyers will buy anything Honda spoon feeds them. I don't think there will be much anti-CVT sentiment out there much longer.

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Not really, at least not yet... They are moving about 500~800 a month and a tad under 7000 per year (2012). That is about on par with how many Camaros GM moves in the worst month in 2012. This is a sports coupe so demand tends to fall off after the first two years. The bright side is that they set a pretty modest target of 6000 cars so they are not saddling themselves with over capacity. Already Subaru is giving $400~600 in incentives to move their (more expensive) BRZ against the FRS -- not an auspicious thing for a 1st year coupe. The thing I don't get is that the market for sports coupes is modest enough as it is. Why they want to split the pie -- and the marketing -- between Fuji and Toyota is baffling. This should have been just a Subaru or just a Toyota. I would have preferred that it be a Toyota using a hypothetical "1AR-GE" engine. Basically the same 2.7 liter 1AR-FE Inline-4 in the RAV4, but with hotter cams and drinking premium to deliver about 220hp / 200 lb-ft. For a higher performance version, forget laggy turbos and simply the use a roots compressor on the 1AR engine. A "1AR-GZE" will be good for about 270 hp / 270 lb-ft with zero lag. The latter would be interesting. I think your sales figures are a little off. They sold 11417 of the FR-S in the US alone, not including BRZ sales nor any of the other variants around the world. And they only went on sale in May (so technically not even a full year of sales). As for the rest of what you have said, while interesting possibilities, they are not the reality of what they have done. I totally agree that minimal lag is important for this car. Everything about this car is about instant response. I own one, and I look forward to driving it at every opportunity that I get. Sure, the FR-S is not a stoplight warrior, but, realistically speaking, no one should be street racing anyway. People can get so hung up on horsepower and statistics about cars, but, this car cannot be appreciated until you drive it. This is why so many car reviewers have given it accolades. You have to drive it to understand why it is so good. You cannot read the spec sheet and say that you like it or not like it. I understand that this car is not for everyone. Its small size is certainly not for everyone and still more people only crave a sub 6 second 0-60 time. All that I can say is that I love driving again because of this car. This. During my short time with one, I got to take it out on some rural New York roads on a beautiful fall day. This was mere minutes after driving a ZL-1 over the same roads. I put the windows down and cruised out. The handling is excellent, throttle response excellent, very good scoot when you want it... it is light, carefree, relaxing, fun and just a joy to drive. In spite of the substantial power difference between it and the ZL-1, I enjoyed the FR-S more. It's not out to prove anything... it's just there to have a good time.

Have you driven it yet? No desire to. I don't much care for impractical (for me) cars. I'd even dig a Genesis coupe over this. Well don't judge the performance of 150 ft-lb until you drive it then.

I have to say, the Nismo Juke isn't half bad...