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    Rumorpile: What We Think We Know On The Mid-Engine Corvette


    • Another day, another batch of mid-engine Corvette rumors

    The mid-engine Corvette is the rumor that won't die. This past year has seen speculation explode thanks to spy shots showing a mid-engine mule running around GM's Milford Proving Grounds. The Detroit News has published a report today saying the model would arrive in 2019 along with other details about the model.

     

    We're going to give a summary of the most interesting bits from the report, but we highly recommend checking out the full piece.

    • Has the codename of Emperor and is expected to debut in early 2018 (most likely Detroit)
    • The goal for this model is to try and draw younger folks into buying a Corvette. The average age of a Corvette owner is around 59 years old.
    • A source says the mid-engine Corvette will become the sole variant after 2021. This is when the current C7 Corvette will end production.
    • Could be the basis for a sports car wearing the Cadillac badge
    • Bob Lutz and former chief engineer for the Corvette, Tom Wallace said they got plans for a mid-engine Corvette approved in 2007. These plans would be shelved only a couple years later due to the bankruptcy.


    Source: The Detroit News

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    A mid-engine supercar should be a Cadillac.  Why mess with the Corvette formula that has worked for 60 years.  They also aren't going to draw in younger buyers with the price point of a mid-engine car.  Look at the Alfa 4C, that is the cheapest mid-engine car on sale and it is about $65k with a 230 hp 4 cylinder.   A mid-engine Corvette will be over $100,000 easy.  Which is why it should be a Cadillac, Cadillac can support $100k pricing (or at least should be able to)

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    A mid-engine supercar should be a Cadillac. Why mess with the Corvette formula that has worked for 60 years. They also aren't going to draw in younger buyers with the price point of a mid-engine car. Look at the Alfa 4C, that is the cheapest mid-engine car on sale and it is about $65k with a 230 hp 4 cylinder. A mid-engine Corvette will be over $100,000 easy. Which is why it should be a Cadillac, Cadillac can support $100k pricing (or at least should be able to)

    Fallacy argument as the Z06 (as well the last gen. ZR1) are $100K and GM had no problem selling them. A mid engine will not change that.

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    A mid-engine supercar should be a Cadillac.  Why mess with the Corvette formula that has worked for 60 years.  They also aren't going to draw in younger buyers with the price point of a mid-engine car.  Look at the Alfa 4C, that is the cheapest mid-engine car on sale and it is about $65k with a 230 hp 4 cylinder.   A mid-engine Corvette will be over $100,000 easy.  Which is why it should be a Cadillac, Cadillac can support $100k pricing (or at least should be able to)

     

     

    I don't like U.. but I have to agree. I think the current config of Corvettes is enough. The Mid-Engine should debut as a Cadillac.. and if then.. GM sees fit for amortized return.. that the Chevy brand gets a "ZR1" with this set-up fine. But then, I think it will be high time for Corvette to pack its bags and go on its own as a bonafide brand. CUV and all. 

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    Well here is the deal. I have been saying much of this for a good while as much of this information has been right there infront of us and so many are not picking it up.

    Here are the clues. 

    The Age thing is real and has been discussed and even tinkered with using a cheaper version of a roadster. This was talked about much in the last 10 years. 

    The talk of a mid engine car was open back in 2007 but the bankruptcy killed the talk and it went back to Front engine. Lutz has now confirmed this. Talk all along was the C7 was mid engine and changed. Then Lutz came out and said he had to veto it for the time. Tadge said he could not get more out of the car unless they had a mid engine. Lutz said they added to the wheel base of the C7 to move the engine back a coupe inches to get more handling. 

     

    The C8 was and has been in development right along with the C7. They slowed it down but never stopped it. 

    Talk was they even looked into doing a car with the ability to support both mid and front engine in a modular form. 

     

    It was stated about two years ago that the plan was to keep the C7 for a while and bring the C8 out as the high end car and then move to cheaper forms of it over time to replace the C7. 

    Anyone remember the mystery new Malibu with the engine in the back seat and C7 wheels with a trans axle showing. It also sported C7 flags. It was not a photo shop it was a mule easter egg to anyone paying attention. 

    Note it came around the time the GT was announced.

     

    Anyone remember the Holden Ute Mule. It was seen right before the GT was shown at Detroit. Nothing like this happens by accident.

    The recent photos we got around Le Mans time was no accident either, My friend at GM said they know where they can be seen and only go to those places when they want to be seen at Warren.  

    There have been reports of a Corvette testing 1,000 HP but they are having trouble putting it to the ground. They will not use more than they can put down. The present car limits out around 700-750 HP and more does not make it better. 

     

    As for Cadillac JDN stated clearly he holds an interest in this platform but he said they can not get to it before 2025. He has all his man power and Money focused on what Cadillac is best known for luxruy SUV, CUV and Sedans. He has a lot of work to do in getting the line to where it need to be before dumping money into a low volume low profit halo car that would attract attention to the new models. Chevy is the best known MFG of mid engine sports cars and never even made one for production yet. 

     

    Word of late is they will by the time the C7 dies will have a $70K mid engine car available. By then it will be 2021 and that price jives. Also by then they could have a smaller Stingray on a new platform to take over the lower price range and share that platform for a nice little BMW GT roadster for Cadillac. JDN said more than one sports car could be looked at in the future. 

    For Cadillac to do another big buck sports car now will only end up like the XLR and be a fair new car but a great used car with the killer value drops. My buddy loves his XLRv he bought with low miles for $35K. It would take a fool to think Cadillac should do a mid engine before they get house in order. They have a slew of SUV models as well a second gen ATS and CTS to do and a CT8. Not to mention they have a V8 and other engines also to do. 

     

    When you think luxury sedans do you think Corvette? When you think great sports cars do you think Cadillac? If you do not get that ask for help. 

     

    Even at Audi JDN got the line up right before he did the R8. Hell they bought Lambo before they did the R8. Let Chevy carry the load here and then they can do it as a proper Cadillac later on much more economically for the low numbers they will sell at the price it will be at. 

     

    There has been many more things floating around. there was a cut up C6 in California when all this started back about 9 years ago with MFG plates. Another Easter Egg. GM and the Vette team are great at keep secrets but they love to leave clues when they want to. 

     

    Lets put it this way the C7 was tested under a C6 and gave little clue. The C6 was tested under a Camaro body it gave little clue. What you see now is what they want you to see. 

     

    The C7 recently seen is the last high end track model. It will have a large wing in the back like the Z 28 and it will hold 725-750 HP. It will be the send off of the ZR1 till the Mid Engine arrives. While it may be more powerful it will use ever trick to put the power to the ground. The Z06 now relies much on the computer and even now it holds as much power as it can use. The extra tricks will give the new car more down force and more grip. That is the only way it will go faster around a track. 

    I have followed this for at least 8 years and seen much of this unfold. It has been tough as so many did not want to believe it but this stuff has been going on the whole time. Yes GM is quiet but this was not the best kept secret if you know who to listen to. 

    As for a Corvette SUV you have to be kidding!  Chevy has a line of SUV models and does not need a Corvette one. Porsche and the others need it because they do not have even a truck line let alone a SUV. They are just there for the easy money of a SUV. Chevy already has that. 

    Now if you want to market the Corvette name then take a Tahoe and place an full time AWD system on it and a Supercharged LT engine in it. Then call it a Tahoe GS as in grand sport. Then tag it Tahoe by Corvette Engineering. Let the Corvette guys do the tuning and sell a hand full at a high price. This way you market the Corvette name but you really do not call it a Corvette. You leverage the name but you do not damage it. 

    Work smarter not harder!

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    Well here is the deal. I have been saying much of this for a good while as much of this information has been right there infront of us and so many are not picking it up.

    Here are the clues. 

    The Age thing is real and has been discussed and even tinkered with using a cheaper version of a roadster. This was talked about much in the last 10 years. 

    The talk of a mid engine car was open back in 2007 but the bankruptcy killed the talk and it went back to Front engine. Lutz has now confirmed this. Talk all along was the C7 was mid engine and changed. Then Lutz came out and said he had to veto it for the time. Tadge said he could not get more out of the car unless they had a mid engine. Lutz said they added to the wheel base of the C7 to move the engine back a coupe inches to get more handling. 

     

    The C8 was and has been in development right along with the C7. They slowed it down but never stopped it. 

    Talk was they even looked into doing a car with the ability to support both mid and front engine in a modular form. 

     

    It was stated about two years ago that the plan was to keep the C7 for a while and bring the C8 out as the high end car and then move to cheaper forms of it over time to replace the C7. 

    Anyone remember the mystery new Malibu with the engine in the back seat and C7 wheels with a trans axle showing. It also sported C7 flags. It was not a photo shop it was a mule easter egg to anyone paying attention. 

    Note it came around the time the GT was announced.

     

    Anyone remember the Holden Ute Mule. It was seen right before the GT was shown at Detroit. Nothing like this happens by accident.

    The recent photos we got around Le Mans time was no accident either, My friend at GM said they know where they can be seen and only go to those places when they want to be seen at Warren.  

    There have been reports of a Corvette testing 1,000 HP but they are having trouble putting it to the ground. They will not use more than they can put down. The present car limits out around 700-750 HP and more does not make it better. 

     

    As for Cadillac JDN stated clearly he holds an interest in this platform but he said they can not get to it before 2025. He has all his man power and Money focused on what Cadillac is best known for luxruy SUV, CUV and Sedans. He has a lot of work to do in getting the line to where it need to be before dumping money into a low volume low profit halo car that would attract attention to the new models. Chevy is the best known MFG of mid engine sports cars and never even made one for production yet. 

     

    Word of late is they will by the time the C7 dies will have a $70K mid engine car available. By then it will be 2021 and that price jives. Also by then they could have a smaller Stingray on a new platform to take over the lower price range and share that platform for a nice little BMW GT roadster for Cadillac. JDN said more than one sports car could be looked at in the future. 

    For Cadillac to do another big buck sports car now will only end up like the XLR and be a fair new car but a great used car with the killer value drops. My buddy loves his XLRv he bought with low miles for $35K. It would take a fool to think Cadillac should do a mid engine before they get house in order. They have a slew of SUV models as well a second gen ATS and CTS to do and a CT8. Not to mention they have a V8 and other engines also to do. 

     

    When you think luxury sedans do you think Corvette? When you think great sports cars do you think Cadillac? If you do not get that ask for help. 

     

    Even at Audi JDN got the line up right before he did the R8. Hell they bought Lambo before they did the R8. Let Chevy carry the load here and then they can do it as a proper Cadillac later on much more economically for the low numbers they will sell at the price it will be at. 

     

    There has been many more things floating around. there was a cut up C6 in California when all this started back about 9 years ago with MFG plates. Another Easter Egg. GM and the Vette team are great at keep secrets but they love to leave clues when they want to. 

     

    Lets put it this way the C7 was tested under a C6 and gave little clue. The C6 was tested under a Camaro body it gave little clue. What you see now is what they want you to see. 

     

    The C7 recently seen is the last high end track model. It will have a large wing in the back like the Z 28 and it will hold 725-750 HP. It will be the send off of the ZR1 till the Mid Engine arrives. While it may be more powerful it will use ever trick to put the power to the ground. The Z06 now relies much on the computer and even now it holds as much power as it can use. The extra tricks will give the new car more down force and more grip. That is the only way it will go faster around a track. 

    I have followed this for at least 8 years and seen much of this unfold. It has been tough as so many did not want to believe it but this stuff has been going on the whole time. Yes GM is quiet but this was not the best kept secret if you know who to listen to. 

    As for a Corvette SUV you have to be kidding!  Chevy has a line of SUV models and does not need a Corvette one. Porsche and the others need it because they do not have even a truck line let alone a SUV. They are just there for the easy money of a SUV. Chevy already has that. 

    Now if you want to market the Corvette name then take a Tahoe and place an full time AWD system on it and a Supercharged LT engine in it. Then call it a Tahoe GS as in grand sport. Then tag it Tahoe by Corvette Engineering. Let the Corvette guys do the tuning and sell a hand full at a high price. This way you market the Corvette name but you really do not call it a Corvette. You leverage the name but you do not damage it. 

    Work smarter not harder!

    Just seeing the words "Corvette" and "CUV" in the same sentence is enough to make one vomit.

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    A mid-engine supercar should be a Cadillac. Why mess with the Corvette formula that has worked for 60 years. They also aren't going to draw in younger buyers with the price point of a mid-engine car. Look at the Alfa 4C, that is the cheapest mid-engine car on sale and it is about $65k with a 230 hp 4 cylinder. A mid-engine Corvette will be over $100,000 easy. Which is why it should be a Cadillac, Cadillac can support $100k pricing (or at least should be able to)

    Fallacy argument as the Z06 (as well the last gen. ZR1) are $100K and GM had no problem selling them. A mid engine will not change that.

    What percentage of Corvette sales were ZR1? A mid-engine Corvette base model could be priced where the ZR1 was. A mid-engine ZR1 could be $200,000. Way too high for what is supposed to be the "affordable" sports car.

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    The current Z06 gets ripped sometimes because it has too much power and can't get the power down or use it. Personally I don't think any Chevy needs more than 500 HP, maybe 550 for the range topping Camaro and Corvette. For performance above that there is Cadillac. Cadillac V-series should be the pinnacle of GM performance.

    I would go the other way with the Corvette and release a V6 model at $49,995. Even with the 335 HP V6 and 8-speed it would still be 0-60 in 5 seconds, the Corvette doesn't weigh that much, and it would probably be lighter and better handling than the V8 model. This makes the Corvette more attainable, which is what it is supposed to be.

    Really no Chevy should cost over $75,000 either, again Cadillac should have the $75,000 plus cars.

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    Personally I don't think any Chevy needs more than 500 HP, maybe 550 for the range topping Camaro and Corvette. For performance above that there is Cadillac. Cadillac V-series should be the pinnacle of GM performance.

    You're looking at the picture thru a corporate lense, not a brand lense.

    Think back when the collective of brands (under GM) all (except Cadillac) fielded 350-400 HP A-Body performance cars. That's where GM needs to go. 

    In other words, properly identified & delineated, both Chevrolet & Cadillac can successfully field 650 HP (or whatever power level you want to mention) vehicles.

    If they "cannot", why have more than 1 brand??

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    The current Z06 gets ripped sometimes because it has too much power and can't get the power down or use it. Personally I don't think any Chevy needs more than 500 HP, maybe 550 for the range topping Camaro and Corvette. For performance above that there is Cadillac. Cadillac V-series should be the pinnacle of GM performance.

    I would go the other way with the Corvette and release a V6 model at $49,995. Even with the 335 HP V6 and 8-speed it would still be 0-60 in 5 seconds, the Corvette doesn't weigh that much, and it would probably be lighter and better handling than the V8 model. This makes the Corvette more attainable, which is what it is supposed to be.

    Really no Chevy should cost over $75,000 either, again Cadillac should have the $75,000 plus cars.

     

     

    That is just it you don't think!

     

    From  what I have been hearing the Corvette will carry on as a C7 along with a C8. Then by 2021 we will see a change over to a cheaper Mid engine version to replace the C7 at around $70K. 

    Now unlike the Ford GT the C8 will be built in in greater numbers and prove to be more profitable as it is not just some limited race car converted for the street. Even in low numbers the C8 will make money and then the variations with different engines and different options like AWD will come with the car. 

     

    No one needs a Veryon with over 1,000 HP but people buy them. 

    The truth is the Corvette to continue to compete with some of the best cars needs a platform that can take and really use the added power. 

    This car is targeting Ferrari and Mclaren as these are what has been seen at the Warren proving grounds at building 54. 

     

    The future is going to get more difficult to build cars like these. It is clear the Corvette will need to get lighter and more efficient. Lutz stated a hybrid system was being looked at that could move the cars MPG rating to over 50 MPG with only a $1300 battery.  

     

    One must look at the C7 ,as the end of an era as they have mined as much gold as they can. With the coming regulations and coming competition the C8 is only the stepping off point to all sorts of future potential, 

    the other factor the Corvette as it is has always been joked as being an old mans car. Yet even in my area I see expensive Ferrari and Mclarens driven by young dot com guys. 

    Chevy wants to only improve the product while still offering what they have in the past the most bang for the buck. Also they want to reach out to other buyers as it will take all hands on deck to compete. 

    Chevy made the same mistake remaining stagnate with the C3 for way too long. They paid a great price for that over the years. Today they have rebuilt the  Corvette from the weak powered Vega steering wheeled car. 

    We also need to keep in mind one major factor the Corvette regardless of how many they sell needs to remain profitable. The low volume models like the ZR1 make a sh&T load of money even at 1400 models. This pays the bills when the regular car like the C6 was only selling 13K units. 

     

    I trust Mark and Tadge much more than some here. Both have a winning record for product and performance. I think they both will go down as some of the best guardians of the Corvette since Zora. 

     

    Hmm someday because of them GM may build a Corvette Tadge?

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    VW lost like $2 million per car on every Veyron sold.  The Chiron will lose money also, but they don't care it is basically a marketing piece for them.  I am not opposed to GM making a money losing hyper car, but it shouldn't be a Corvette.

     

    I also don't think the Corvette needs more capabilty or speed.  I go back to my Miata example, they hold the price at an affordable level.  Back in the late 90s or 2000 a Corvette was about $40,000, and a Cadillac Seville or Deville was about that.  Now the Cadillacs are like $46k, but the Corvette is $60k.  They are losing the bang for the buck argument when they want to charge $70k for a Stingray or $100k for a Z06.

     

    I still think Corvette should be a $50-80k car, sort of in Porsche Boxster price range.  I'd like to see a V6 Corvette to hold the price point to mid 2000s level.

     

    I also think there is room for a sports car above Corvette at GM, just at Cadilac.

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    What is funny is the new Corvette is supposed to be a high revving DOHC V8 too.  For years Corvette owners said the pushrod was better, the Ferrari style high revving V8 mid-engine cars were over priced or not as good.  Now Corvette fans are getting their version of an Auri R8 or Ferrari 488 or McLaren 570.

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    What is funny is the new Corvette is supposed to be a high revving DOHC V8 too.  For years Corvette owners said the pushrod was better, the Ferrari style high revving V8 mid-engine cars were over priced or not as good.  Now Corvette fans are getting their version of an Auri R8 or Ferrari 488 or McLaren 570.

    Links please, I have not found anything but rumors and would love to read if there is true information that GM is moving the Corvette to DOHC V8 engines. The weight gain would go against the weight loss they have been doing while still getting amazing performance out of the Pushrod V8.

     

    OK, My bad,

     

    Did not realize Corvette started in 1990 to offer a standard OHV V8 and a DOHC V8.

     

    http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/corvette/history/

     

    Interesting to see the history line of what came when on Corvettes from the very beginning of their time line.

     

    2nd update, really interesting going through the history, so in 1997 with the new model they dropped all engines and came out with the new 5.7 aluminum block. Since then they have had various sizes of the single in block came OHV engines making amazing HP and Torque. So we are then back to the rumors only of a DOHC Turbo V8.

     

    This from GM that talks about their silky smooth 335HP V6 yet only 283 Lbs of Torque just confirms for me that DOHC is no big deal.

     

    http://www.gm.com/mol/m-2015-may-2016-camaro-0516-camaro-powertrains.html

     

    One might as well just go turbo 4 or V8 and not waste time with the fat, over weight under torque DOHC V6.

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    VW lost like $2 million per car on every Veyron sold.  The Chiron will lose money also, but they don't care it is basically a marketing piece for them.  I am not opposed to GM making a money losing hyper car, but it shouldn't be a Corvette.

     

    I also don't think the Corvette needs more capabilty or speed.  I go back to my Miata example, they hold the price at an affordable level.  Back in the late 90s or 2000 a Corvette was about $40,000, and a Cadillac Seville or Deville was about that.  Now the Cadillacs are like $46k, but the Corvette is $60k.  They are losing the bang for the buck argument when they want to charge $70k for a Stingray or $100k for a Z06.

     

    I still think Corvette should be a $50-80k car, sort of in Porsche Boxster price range.  I'd like to see a V6 Corvette to hold the price point to mid 2000s level.

     

    I also think there is room for a sports car above Corvette at GM, just at Cadilac.

    They are not losing the bang for the buck argument when you realize what it competes against. You clearly do not get that while you continue to beat this dead horse about price.

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    For years Corvette owners said the pushrod was better...

    Valve actuation would be a point of contention if the current Corvette engine wasn't competitive.

    460/465, 0-60: 3.8, 1/4-mile in 12.2.

    But it is.

    Or in other words, valve actuation is a moot point.

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    VW lost like $2 million per car on every Veyron sold.  The Chiron will lose money also, but they don't care it is basically a marketing piece for them.  I am not opposed to GM making a money losing hyper car, but it shouldn't be a Corvette.

     

    I also don't think the Corvette needs more capabilty or speed.  I go back to my Miata example, they hold the price at an affordable level.  Back in the late 90s or 2000 a Corvette was about $40,000, and a Cadillac Seville or Deville was about that.  Now the Cadillacs are like $46k, but the Corvette is $60k.  They are losing the bang for the buck argument when they want to charge $70k for a Stingray or $100k for a Z06.

     

    I still think Corvette should be a $50-80k car, sort of in Porsche Boxster price range.  I'd like to see a V6 Corvette to hold the price point to mid 2000s level.

     

    I also think there is room for a sports car above Corvette at GM, just at Cadilac.

     

    One person I spoke to said the target price was $170K for the first model. The others will fall in below it over time. One report stated that they were targeting a base model at $70K at some point. By 2021 that would make sense. 

     

    Just as the other changed that shook the Vette world like removing the pop up lamps for better lights and less weight. The square tail lamps and other changes have all led to higher sales and better cars. At first half hate it and half love it in the end 95% love it and they pick up more than the 5% they lost. 

    First the Corvette is not a Veyron. Second it is not even a Ford GT. 

     

    The Corvette even if it is to go mid engine will offer a top line but over time it will evolve to a mid engine that present owner can afford for a price adjusted price for the economic reasons. 

     

    The Corvette will continue to challenge some of the greatest cars at a price more than half the others. No goofy limited cars like the GT that were built to race more than street drive and it will sell more in a couple weeks than others sell in a year or two. 

    I think while the first model will be a world killing car it will do so at half the price of a Ford GT in a volume 4 times what the Ford is.  Second it will in time bring us a cheaper model that will be fully capable and still afford able to anyone who could afford a stingray today. 

     

    There has been nohting on a DOHC engine yet or even a Turbo V6 yet. Odds are it will be a higher powered version of the coming ZR1 engine that will find its way to this car that will top the Ford and others by at least 100-200 HP. 

    The bottom line is this car will make money or GM would never approve the business case. The Corvette does not get a free pass as some like the Veyron does. 

     

    This will be a Corvette and it will do as it has by setting performance and prices to its standard not the others. 

     

    If people will line up to pay $400K for a Ford I am sure GM will easily fine many buyers at $170k for a car with more performance and is a better street car. 

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    It would take a fool to think Cadillac should do a mid engine before they get house in order. They have a slew of SUV models as well a second gen ATS and CTS to do and a CT8. Not to mention they have a V8 and other engines also to do. 

     

    When you think luxury sedans do you think Corvette? When you think great sports cars do you think Cadillac? If you do not get that ask for help. 

     

    Even at Audi JDN got the line up right before he did the R8. Hell they bought Lambo before they did the R8. Let Chevy carry the load here and then they can do it as a proper Cadillac later on much more economically for the low numbers they will sell at the price it will be at. 

     

    When I thought of Cadillac just a decade ago I would have never imagined that they would have, let alone I would buy a 650HP sedan from them capable of murdering Porsches and Vettes in almost ever dynamic. Times change.. and even though I have zero issue with Corvette having a Mid-Engine vehicle sold next to the front engine one.. I do have an issue with it coming in at a probably $100K while Cadillac gets none. Hell I don't even really have an issue with a simultaneous release. If the vehicle development is done, then that only really leaves body stamping, marketing and a few other things. If Corvette is going to be a BRAND, and sold under the Cadillac experience.... then different story. But truth is CHEVY simply does not have the capability within its own dealerships to even service the Corvette.. hell Tahoe/Subur clientel its gets in a way that is befitting one capable of buying a $60K+ weekend toy, let alone another $100K + one. Besides.. if they aren't even gonna show until 2018, there is plenty of time for Cadillac to be ready to sell them

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    As for a Corvette SUV you have to be kidding!  Chevy has a line of SUV models and does not need a Corvette one. Porsche and the others need it because they do not have even a truck line let alone a SUV. They are just there for the easy money of a SUV. Chevy already has that. 

    Now if you want to market the Corvette name then take a Tahoe and place an full time AWD system on it and a Supercharged LT engine in it. Then call it a Tahoe GS as in grand sport. Then tag it Tahoe by Corvette Engineering. Let the Corvette guys do the tuning and sell a hand full at a high price. This way you market the Corvette name but you really do not call it a Corvette. You leverage the name but you do not damage it. 

    Work smarter not harder!

     

     

    No. I am in no way speaking of full size SUVs. I said CUV.. like the Cayenne and Macan. I am thinking that Alpha and Omega modified would serve Cadillac and Vette brands perfectly. Lets be clear.. there isn't much shared in Corvette and Impalas anymore. The ATS and CTS seem more like Corvettes than anything at Chevy sides the Camaro. Even with that.. only a percentage of Camaro buyers get the SS. The Corvette brand is sold under Chevy because of tradition. Its not even a cost thing anymore, because seriously.. how many people do U kno who can go out an buy a $60-100K weekend toy like its a CHEVY made product? Time for Corvette to grow up. Cadillac dealerships would be the perfect place for them. 

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    Just seeing the words "Corvette" and "CUV" in the same sentence is enough to make one vomit.

     

     

     

    Yeah.. but under the new Platform policies being put into place.. I'd rather see Corvette CUV then R.I.P Corvette. Anyway.. Porsche fans felt the same before 2002. Avg 1300 sales a month later since.. and investment money to produce better Porsches.. they shut their effin mouths. Oh.. did I mention a Corvette Family Sedan too.. to compete with the 500 avg per month sales of the Panamera? :neenerneener:

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    I don't think "Corvette" could be a brand, however I could get behind the idea of the Corvette moving to Cadillac. The interior would have to get better and some styling tweaks, but a V6 could be the base car with the better interior to keep price where it is, and add V8s and still have $60-100k price point, which makes sense for a Cadillac.

    I doubt they will do that, but the Corvette is becoming like the Nissan GT-R, who wants to pay $100k for a Nissan, wouldn't it be better as an Infiniti?

    Chevy should have affordable sports cars. The Malibu isn't $55k so why is a Camaro? This is why GM has brands, for value, middle and high end.

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    Just seeing the words "Corvette" and "CUV" in the same sentence is enough to make one vomit.

     

     

    Yeah.. but under the new Platform policies being put into place.. I'd rather see Corvette CUV then R.I.P Corvette. Anyway.. Porsche fans felt the same before 2002. Avg 1300 sales a month later since.. and investment money to produce better Porsches.. they shut their effin mouths. Oh.. did I mention a Corvette Family Sedan too.. to compete with the 500 avg per month sales of the Panamera? :neenerneener:

    The Corvette isn't going anywhere and they damn sure don't need to stamp the name on a CUV.

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    No need for a Corvette CUV, that would be a bad idea.  Cadillac should be fighting the Porsche Macan and Cayenne, and BMW X5 M, and AMG crossovers.  If you want to throw Tesla in the mix, Cadillac should be going after them too.

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    Chevy should have affordable sports cars. The Malibu isn't $55k so why is a Camaro? This is why GM has brands, for value, middle and high end.

    Again: erroneous. You are saying all Chevy models should be in a tight price range, why??? Because; Buick? 

    Irrelevant.

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    Chevy should have affordable sports cars. The Malibu isn't $55k so why is a Camaro? This is why GM has brands, for value, middle and high end.

    Again: erroneous. You are saying all Chevy models should be in a tight price range, why??? Because; Buick? 

    Irrelevant.

     

    Not all Chevy's need to be in a tight range, but Chevy should be focused on value and building a fun sports car that regular people can afford.  

     

    In year 2000, a Corvette had a price of $39,280 and not a huge options list to drive it into the stratosphere.  The Cadillac Deville had a price of $39,895.  Inflation at 2.15% since 2000 would mean $39k then is $55k now.  So the Corvette base model has gone with inflation, but the higher trims push it way above where it was.  A 2000 Cadillac SLS was $44,000, $5k more than a Corvette.  Now a base Corvette is more than a Cadillac CT6.  Cadillacs used to cost more than Corvettes.

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