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    Marchionne Floats Out the Idea Of Next 300 Being Front-Wheel Drive


    • A front-wheel drive Chrysler 300? What?!

    For better or worse, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles CEO Sergio Marchionne will say whatever comes to his mind. Case in point, saying the next-generation Chrysler 300 could go front-wheel drive.

     

    "This plant and this architecture is capable of making the 300 successor, the front-wheel, all-wheel drive successor," Marchionne told reporters at FCA's Windsor plant - home to Pacifica production.

     

    The architecture in question what underpins the new Pacifica minivan. Now when asked if the 300 would switch from a rear-wheel to a front-wheel platform, Marchionne said, "It's capable. It's not a commitment."

     

    The current Chrysler 300 and its stablemates, the Dodge Charger and Challenger use the LX platform that uses suspension bits from older Mercedes-Benz models - the W211 E-Class and W220 S-Class. This move makes some sense as Chrysler is slowly being positioned as a competitor to the likes of Honda, Chevrolet, and Ford. Plus, it would give Dodge some breathing room to become the performance brand by having a rear-wheel drive platform for themselves.

     

    But who can be sure at the moment since plans at FCA seem to be in a constant state of change.

     

    Source: Reuters
    Pic Credit: William Maley for Cheers & Gears

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    I could see it. The 300, technically, doesn't need to be RWD anyway considering its not really considered a performance car.

     

    BTW.. Am I the only one experiencing any lag when posting? Mine says "Saving" for like 60 seconds.. I then click out of it and it is posted.. but it just seems to take a while. Similar thing happened at MT Forum

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    No lag here.

     

    While yes the 300 could go FWD, bigger question is should it? NO, they have been down the road before and it was a failure. RWD is where the 300 needs to stay.

     

    +1 for Drew, the Board needs to pull his rip cord and let him leave. Sergio is an IDIOT! Worst thing to happen to FCA.

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    I could see it. The 300, technically, doesn't need to be RWD anyway considering its not really considered a performance car.

     

    BTW.. Am I the only one experiencing any lag when posting? Mine says "Saving" for like 60 seconds.. I then click out of it and it is posted.. but it just seems to take a while. Similar thing happened at MT Forum

     

    I'm seeing it... I may reboot the server in a moment if it continues

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    I could see it. The 300, technically, doesn't need to be RWD anyway considering its not really considered a performance car.

     

    BTW.. Am I the only one experiencing any lag when posting? Mine says "Saving" for like 60 seconds.. I then click out of it and it is posted.. but it just seems to take a while. Similar thing happened at MT Forum

     

    I'm seeing it... I may reboot the server in a moment if it continues

     

     

     

     

    Thanks. I went so far as to use a different browser

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    Thing is, I think that a mid-size FWD based on the Pacifica would be fine, Chrysler needs a new Concord around the Accord/Camry in size..... but the 300 should remain RWD/AWD

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    Will the Charger go FWD or does this mean the Charger and 300 are no longer twins?

     

    So they kill the FWD 200, to make the 300 FWD baed on that Pacifica platform?  I get why they want to platform share to save money, and the LX platform is old.  But FCA has a rear drive platform for Alfa Romeo, they could build Charger and 300 on that.

     

    FCA is so screwed up though, Sergio is just making a mess.  If the 300 goes to the Pacifica platform, I hope it has Stow and Go seats.

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    Looks like it can no longer be a luxury car if it is FWD.. such a shame.. 

     

    On a brighter note, the Camaro z/28 is officially a luxury car as we saw it testing at The 'Ring! 

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    Looks like it can no longer be a luxury car if it is FWD.. such a shame.. 

     

    On a brighter note, the Camaro z/28 is officially a luxury car as we saw it testing at The 'Ring! 

    +1 So true.

     

    Yet then that also means all those MB and BMW FWD appliances are not Luxury auto's either. Just another Chevy / Toyota competitor.

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    The thing is that there are plenty of "luxury" vehicles avail currently that use FWD over RWD . The XTS, ES350, A6, Lacrosse, MKS, MKS, upcoming Continental, and even the Impala LTZ (tell me its not a luxury vehicle simply because of the name and a thousand lil angels will instantly call U a fool)to name a bunch. RWD is not the epitome of luxury.. in fact one could argue that in reality.. true luxury is AWD. 

     

    "If it Ain't RWD... It Ain't worth driving", "RightWD"... etc.. WTF IS WRONG WITH U PEOPLE???
     
    Why are so many of U guys hung up on RWD as the saving grace for all performance oriented cars??? I have a real issue with this especially concerning Luxury and mainstream vehicles. The truth is LARGE-LUXO cars should ALL BE AWD all the time. There is no plausible reason why they wouldn't be in fact. They have the price tag to seemingly have customers demand that they show up with all the goods... especially advanced drive-line engineering.
     
    I have yet to see anyone out at the track with an S-Class, XJ, 7Series/B7, LS460, or A8/S8. Not even the AMG versions. It's actually preposterous when U think of it. The average buyer of these cars is normally in the $150K annual income ($250K household) demographic, and age is normally about 55+.. unless it's a USED car. With the exception Bob Lutz.. I dunno that many guys above that age that are out at the track in their Exec Saloon. Hell it's hard enuff finding an M5 or CTS-v at the track. People with the means to own a $60-100K+ car would have the means to buy a purpose built track car if need be.
     
    95% of the car buyers don't know a thing about platforms. I'm a "car guy" and with the exception of GM and some BMWs I have almost no clue what the other makers are using under which vehicle. What matters to me is ultimately performance, prestige, and comfort in a vehicle such as this. And that perplexes me on so many levels as to why VW gets a way with providing Audi and Lamborghini with FWDAWD-Only cars.
     
    Now don't misconstrue... I am not an advocate of FWD, but I recognize that it better suits the driving ability of that 95% I mentioned above. For some reason I find, more often than not, on these forums that many forum goers feel that limitation of choice is the desire of most Luxury buyers. As a luxury buyer I whole-heartedly would like to disagree with that notion. Marketing should certainly steer buyers in the direction of the AWD version for profit reasons, not to mention performance credibility, but the majority of buyers of say.. an RX or SRX-type vehicle is female, the crossover segment is predominately female, this is the gender that actually created the need for the V6 in a Camaro/Mustang. The segment does not demand super performance. This is the same for the large saloon class as well though. What it does demand is luxury, styling, and envy. The XTS still, IMO, should be AWD for marketing purposes. That is the absolute only reason the Audi A8 sells AWD-only here, yet offers a FWD version in Europe. Americans are too stuck on what they perceive as high-class as opposed to what is. It's stressful.
     
     
     
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    “If I’d have asked my customers what they wanted, they would have told me ‘A faster horse."
     
    Henry Ford
     
     
    "Rebelling against change is human, but sometimes progress has to happen via the worst possible scenarios. My point being is that the Combustible engine will hopefully not be our 'Horse and Carriage.'
     
    That lasted for 5000 years."
     
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    Well, I guess we'll have to see. I'm not totally against the idea. Except being RWD is what made the vehicle a bargain. And trading away the ZF HP8 for the ZF HP9.....I dunno....

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    ..I would just like to clarify that I was making fun of somebody else who IS hung up on the whole RWD=Luxury thing.. 

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    But then again, I'm all for American cars to stop being the value-minded nonsense that forces them to compromise on profitability and quality.

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    The thing is that there are plenty of "luxury" vehicles avail currently that use FWD over RWD . The XTS, ES350, A6, Lacrosse, MKS, MKS, upcoming Continental, and even the Impala LTZ (tell me its not a luxury vehicle simply because of the name and a thousand lil angels will instantly call U a fool)to name a bunch. RWD is not the epitome of luxury.. in fact one could argue that in reality.. true luxury is AWD. 

     

    "If it Ain't RWD... It Ain't worth driving", "RightWD"... etc.. WTF IS WRONG WITH U PEOPLE???
     
    Why are so many of U guys hung up on RWD as the saving grace for all performance oriented cars??? I have a real issue with this especially concerning Luxury and mainstream vehicles. The truth is LARGE-LUXO cars should ALL BE AWD all the time. There is no plausible reason why they wouldn't be in fact. They have the price tag to seemingly have customers demand that they show up with all the goods... especially advanced drive-line engineering.
     
    I have yet to see anyone out at the track with an S-Class, XJ, 7Series/B7, LS460, or A8/S8. Not even the AMG versions. It's actually preposterous when U think of it. The average buyer of these cars is normally in the $150K annual income ($250K household) demographic, and age is normally about 55+.. unless it's a USED car. With the exception Bob Lutz.. I dunno that many guys above that age that are out at the track in their Exec Saloon. Hell it's hard enuff finding an M5 or CTS-v at the track. People with the means to own a $60-100K+ car would have the means to buy a purpose built track car if need be.
     
    95% of the car buyers don't know a thing about platforms. I'm a "car guy" and with the exception of GM and some BMWs I have almost no clue what the other makers are using under which vehicle. What matters to me is ultimately performance, prestige, and comfort in a vehicle such as this. And that perplexes me on so many levels as to why VW gets a way with providing Audi and Lamborghini with FWDAWD-Only cars.
     
    Now don't misconstrue... I am not an advocate of FWD, but I recognize that it better suits the driving ability of that 95% I mentioned above. For some reason I find, more often than not, on these forums that many forum goers feel that limitation of choice is the desire of most Luxury buyers. As a luxury buyer I whole-heartedly would like to disagree with that notion. Marketing should certainly steer buyers in the direction of the AWD version for profit reasons, not to mention performance credibility, but the majority of buyers of say.. an RX or SRX-type vehicle is female, the crossover segment is predominately female, this is the gender that actually created the need for the V6 in a Camaro/Mustang. The segment does not demand super performance. This is the same for the large saloon class as well though. What it does demand is luxury, styling, and envy. The XTS still, IMO, should be AWD for marketing purposes. That is the absolute only reason the Audi A8 sells AWD-only here, yet offers a FWD version in Europe. Americans are too stuck on what they perceive as high-class as opposed to what is. It's stressful.
     
     
     
    #####################################
     
     
    “If I’d have asked my customers what they wanted, they would have told me ‘A faster horse."
     
    Henry Ford
     
     
    "Rebelling against change is human, but sometimes progress has to happen via the worst possible scenarios. My point being is that the Combustible engine will hopefully not be our 'Horse and Carriage.'
     
    That lasted for 5000 years."
     
    Cmicasa the Great XvX   

     

     

     

    This rant....especially these quotes:

     

     
    “If I’d have asked my customers what they wanted, they would have told me ‘A faster horse."
     
    Henry Ford
     
     
    "Rebelling against change is human, but sometimes progress has to happen via the worst possible scenarios. My point being is that the Combustible engine will hopefully not be our 'Horse and Carriage.'
     
    That lasted for 5000 years."
     
    Cmicasa the Great XvX   

     

     

     

     

    COULD BE USED TO DEFEND ELECTRIC VEHICLES let alone FWD versus RWD....

     

    So funny!!!

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    As long as a Chrysler 300 could be in Acura TLX territory, Im fine with it.

     

    It wasnt too long ago when a 300M was FWD....and a damn fine automobile at that!

    chrysler_300m.jpg

     

    Honestly, I think Id rather rock the 300M from the early 2000s than the long in the tooth 300C in 2016...OK maybe...the HEMI version is excluded in this rant..but drop a Pentastar V6 in the FWD 300M and Varvatos can go screw himself with his 300 limited V6 trim jobs!!!!

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    ^^^^^^ what he said, assuming Dodge still has RWD.

     

    Chrysler would want to sell as many of the next 300's with AWD anyways, just to keep the pricing justified.  Plus, then it amortizes the AWD system development to enable it to be put into the Pacifica, which will give that a competitive advantage (although likely forcing the AWD Pacifica to lose stow n go).

     

    Chrysler sold a lot of Concorde / LHS / 300's in the day

     

    No one is buying a 300 anymore to circle the Nurburgriung.  I would $h! my pants if i new someone was auto crossing with their 300.  A charger, maybe.  The luxo buyer here is going to but this for cush and pony up for AWD

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    300M was to me a jelly bean blah car. Yea they did have a performance version of it, but the car over all was just blah IMHO.

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    Their CAFE numbers have to be horrible too.  Fiat has no sales, Dodge Dart and Chrysler 200 are about to die, they just doesn't have much of anything to get to 50 mpg target.   Wouldn't surprise me at all if the next Chrsyler 300 is front wheel drive with a 4 cyldiner engine, maybe that Hurricane turbo 4. 

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    Their CAFE numbers have to be horrible too.  Fiat has no sales, Dodge Dart and Chrysler 200 are about to die, they just doesn't have much of anything to get to 50 mpg target.   Wouldn't surprise me at all if the next Chrsyler 300 is front wheel drive with a 4 cyldiner engine, maybe that Hurricane turbo 4. 

     

     

    FCA's CAFE numbers are horrible. FCA ranks last among major auto makers at 20.8.

     

    The company actually has to purchase CAFE Credits from others  

     

    http://www.autonews.com/article/20151216/OEM11/151219893/fiat-chrysler-buys-emissions-credits-from-tesla-toyota-honda

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    • By William Maley
      Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is going to be milking the LX platform for all its worth till at least 2020. Automotive News has learned from two sources that FCA won't redesign the Chrysler 300, Dodge Challenger, and Charger until 2021 when they will transition onto the Giorgio RWD platform. This information confirms hazy details mentioned in a contract highlighter for Unifor members in Canada. The highlighter mentions a $242 million investment into the plant at Brampton, Ontario - home of LX production - to rebuild its paint shop.
      Originally, the plan was to have the next-generation 300, Challenger, Charger out by 2019. Now with plans moved to 2021, FCA will be doing another refresh in 2018.
      The sources also mention that one of three vehicles will be discontinued in 2021, most likely the 300. 
      Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)
      Pic Credit: William Maley for Cheers & Gears

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