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    Electric Ferrari Would Be 'Obscene' According To Marchionne


    • You'll not be seeing an electric from Ferrari anytime soon

    Fiat Chrysler Automobiles' CEO Sergio Marchionne isn't a fan of electric vehicles, especially the idea of a Ferrari EV.

     

    "With Ferrari, it's almost an obscene concept," said Marchionne.

     

    A key part of the Ferrari driving experience explained Marchionne was the noise of the V8 or V12 engines. Going with a fully electric powertrain removes something important in the experience.

     

    "You'll have to shoot me first," said Marchionne.

     

    It is rumored that Ferrari will do more with hybrid technology in their future vehicles as a way of improving fuel economy while retaining the performance the brand is known for.

     

    Source: Motor Authority

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    Ignorance is Bliss and Marchionne is proof of that. Anyone who has driven a Electric race focused auto knows that he is wrong and you can have one of the most amazing experiences in an EV auto.

     

    Yes Ocnblu will agree with Marchionne probably as he is all things petro, but I have to say that when the EV is done right, the overall driving experience is exhilarating and you loose nothing except some hearing loss just like the over noisy Harley Davidson bikes.

     

    I doubt the V8 or V12 engine really gives that much to the experience  except for badge snobs who will say they have to have this engine to survive and be elite.

     

    Which ever company brings out the right noise tuned EV will win big time.

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    "noise tuned" ????

    LOL agreed.  SILLIEST statement I've read in a while.

     

    Haha... I've been wondering if I would ever agree with anything Serge says or does.  His past and present statements on electrification are about the only things that make sense.

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    "noise tuned" ????

    Yup, it is amazing but you can have a whisper silent Electric auto or you can have one that is tuned to allow the whine of the EV goes as is or as I have seen, there are those that actually tune the sound that comes from electric motors to so called enhance the experience.

     

    Noise or Motor sound either way you still have a distinct sound that can be had with electric motors.

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    An "Enhanced Experience" :

     

     

    Used as sleep-inducing 'white noise' worldwide.

     

    - - - - - 

    Seriously, none of those 3 scenarios (totally silent, 'natural' electric motor sound, or 'noise tuned' electric motor) sound remotely enticing in a sports car.

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    Headline: INEFFECTIVE COMPANY'S INEFFECTIVE CEO FUMES OVER LACK OF GOOD ELECTRIC CAR

    Marchionne's upset that his massive company's best electric effort was the 500e, leaving FCA to be leapfrogged by everyone else. All he can do is take potshots to deflect from his company's inadequacy in the arena, and overall brand/model schizophrenia.

    Ferrari will have an electric in time. Everyone else is developing them.

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    Now I'm really sure he also wanted to merge so he could shove Voltec into a Ferrari, and then claim it's the most advanced hybrid tech in the world. Except now in a Ferrari.

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    Maybe, just maybe; Ferrari prefers the brand not follow the "everyone else" road.

     

    Wouldn't that be refreshing.

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    Anyone who dares call Ferrari an ineffective brand, has absolutely no clue wth they're talking about.  REALLY?

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    FCA is ineffective and bloated. Just ask Mary Barra or perhaps anyone involved in tracking quality ratings.

    Sergio's just saltier than the ocn because his giant company's best effort was a mediocre, overpriced electric car.

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    World Fastest Electric Car Versus Ferrari, Pretty freakin cool.

     

     

    This company is looking pretty good too for a sweet ride that is Pure Electric.

     

     

    White Zombie 0 to 60 in 1.8 seconds and a 11.8 second quarter mile.

     

     

    Balthazar are you saying non of these rides would interest you?

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    NONE of those are 'my type' of vehicle, which comes first above the means of propulsion.
    A '72 Datsun doing 11.8 in the quarter?? Not remotely interesting to me. It's a pretty gruesome 1-trick pony.

     

    If you are wondering if I would take an electric motor in a -say- '59 Buick coupe and go 11.8, I would still reply 'no', as I can do much better with a Buick 7.5L V8.

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    FCA is ineffective and bloated. Just ask Mary Barra or perhaps anyone involved in tracking quality ratings.

    Sergio's just saltier than the ocn because his giant company's best effort was a mediocre, overpriced electric car.

    He doesn't want to waste his company's money on stuff that has zero kilowatts of appeal.

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    Here is a Buick that is the Ultimate Taxi with a Big Diesel Engine.

     

     

    Here is an Old Buick that FCA could never touch with the crap they build.

     

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    I dont know about you people, but I find electric motor noises as appealing as elcctric guitar Rock-N-Roll and American V8 rumble...

     

    An electric 1970 Olds 442 could sound like a power drill and I wouldnt mind it one bit.

     

    And yeah, no "noise tuned" shtye necessary with a power drill motor sound...

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    I just think that if people can upload a specific soundtrack to be piped through the speakers then it has the same effect.

     

    Now it's just the value associations people have with how that sound is actually produced. 

     

    Then there's the issue of say BMW failing to make their fake sound, well, sound good. That's just a failure in sound choice and delivery. Not in the means of producing the engine sound itself.

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    PS:

    Marchionne could think its heresy and obsene and whatever else he thinks about an electric motor Ferrari, but to me its clear, he is outta touch with reality if he thinks that the future is not electrics...

     

     Harley could see a future of electric motors, that deny the Harley sound of their motorcycles.

    And Harley is just about on the same playing field as Ferrari regarding name recognition and peddling stuff other than motor vehicles with their logo slapped on it and obviously iconic engine sound...therefore its a very good thing that Marchionne does not have a say in Ferrari no more...

     

    You always have to look to the future...not the past to survive the future...

    Its good to embrace your history, but sometimes re-inventing yourself is necessary...

    A balance of both is ideal...

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    I just think that if people can upload a specific soundtrack to be piped through the speakers then it has the same effect.

     

    Now it's just the value associations people have with how that sound is actually produced. 

     

    Then there's the issue of say BMW failing to make their fake sound, well, sound good. That's just a failure in sound choice and delivery. Not in the means of producing the engine sound itself.

    I see what you are saying...

    Ill add this:

    Most cars are so well insulated with sound deadening materials and super duper mufflers that actually muffle and mute the idling and acceleration noises that "noise tuning" shouldnt really offend anybody in 2016 as engine sound personality is a thing of the past...

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    Well you don't need an electric vehicle to have a battery per se.

     

    You never know. In principle you could just have a really good capacitor, but it'd still be expensive.

     

    Supercapacitors could become so good that you could store energy without the setbacks of maintaining some kind of battery chemistry and ideal operating temps...And charge in seconds.

     

    Yeah. Charge in seconds....

     

    https://www.quora.com/Can-the-super-capacitor-replace-the-battery

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    We like the sounds V8s make because we like the sound, not because the engine makes it.

     

    Really. Then some of us still, like the fact that the V8 is through its operation is making the sound - and are willing to pay for it.

     

    There is nothing wrong really with piping fake noise.

     

    Already we're not hearing the engine if it's on an engine dyno. We're hearing whatever the automaker now wants to be heard and then using all kinds of different tuning for other components to engineer the "real" sound.

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    We like the sounds V8s make because we like the sound, not because the engine makes it.

     

    Really. Then some of us still, like the fact that the V8 is through its operation is making the sound - and are willing to pay for it.

     

    There is nothing wrong really with piping fake noise.

     

    Already we're not hearing the engine if it's on an engine dyno. We're hearing whatever the automaker now wants to be heard and then using all kinds of different tuning for other components to engineer the "real" sound.

     

     

    Already we're not hearing the engine if it's on an engine dyno. We're hearing whatever the automaker now wants to be heard and then using all kinds of different tuning for other components to engineer the "real" sound.

     

     

    Yup...

     

    Couldnt that also be technically called "noise tuning" ?

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    "Piping engine sound", IE: creating a sound electronically that's not actually there, IMO, is akin to there being 'nothing really wrong' with this 'wood' : 

     

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    or this 'scoop' :

     

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    And there's not, technically, but MANY people have issues when things are obviously fake.

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    When I see some of the inane comments in this thread, I think the whole thing needs noise tuned.  :P

    Yup...we will start with you first...

    Because your noise is like a fart can muffler  on a Japanese ricer...

    111513d1445618337-solution-exhaust-too-l

     

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      Exterior design with new electro-look
      "Generation EQ is hot and cool," says Gorden Wagener, Head of Design at Daimler AG. "Its fascination lies in a reinterpretation of our design philosophy of sensual purity, the aim being to create an avant-garde, contemporary and distinctive electro-look. At the same time, the design of the visionary show car, which has been reduced to the essentials, reveals an alluring progressivity."
      The monolithic basic form of "Generation EQ" unites the genes of an SUV with the dynamic character of a coupé and a dash of shooting brake at the rear end. The squat, elongated greenhouse gives rise to muscular-purist proportions. The new electro-look is the result of a flowing transition from the gleaming black bonnet across the windscreen to the dark-tinted panoramic roof – an exciting contrast to the alubeam silver paintwork.
      Scarcely visible body panel joins, concealed windscreen wipers, cameras instead of exterior mirrors and an absence of conventional door handles emphasise the stretched, dynamic silhouette, making the SUV crossover appear as a unified whole while reducing its air resistance. An intentionally reduced side view, broad shoulders and large 21-inch light-alloy wheels make for a dynamic presence even before the vehicle moves off.
      Driver-oriented cockpit with new electro-look
      The focus of the driver-oriented cockpit is on simple, touch-based controls with a new electro-look consistently reflecting the exterior styling. The asymmetrical design of the instrument panel with its large, floating wide-screen display is tailored to the driver. The innovative, digital user experience differentiates "Generation EQ" from the familiar control logic in today's vehicles, while giving a peek into the future of user interaction at Mercedes-Benz.
      Interior with new, touch-based controls and no knobs
      The interior of "Generation EQ" is characterised by contemporary luxury, this finding its main expression in an all-new user interface, which combines emotive appeal with intelligence and user-friendliness while dispensing with traditional switches and knobs, except for the electric seat adjustment typical of Mercedes. Two of the three narrow spokes on the steering wheel are provided with touch controls, which are integrated into OLED displays (OLED = organic light emitting diode ). They indicate icons and symbols in the respective menus. The driver can swipe through the various menus and confirm their selection with a click.
      The 24-inch (53 x 11 cm) TFT high-definition wide-screen display presents all the relevant information, such as speed, range, driving data or navigation and map details. The innovation is apparent from the differentiation between a highly reduced and a complex display, including intermediate stages. Whether there is a low information density with a very clean look to the display, or whether extra content is on view, is left to the driver's personal preference.
      User interface design with individualised content
      The information density can be increased step-by-step from a digital display and built up into a single- or dual-tube instrument containing more detailed information and feedback on speed and range. These modular displays allow the content to be individualised. An attractive user interface design is ensured by, among other things, a world of colours in electric blue, white and rose gold – the colours of the instrument displays adapt, depending on driving mode or charging process, to allow fast and intuitive recognition.
      Bordered in rose gold, the centre console appears to float in space: dispensing with mechanical controls, it is equipped with touch-sensitive elements. Similarly to the touch controls on the steering wheel, the driver can use a finger to operate the automatic climate control and the infotainment system. As "Generation EQ" is devoid of conventional exterior mirrors, cameras are used to project an image of the traffic behind onto integrated displays in the doors. Both the door openers and the electric window lifters are touch-controlled.
      Avant-garde, functional interior
      "Generation EQ" comes with four individual seats. The reduced volume, impression of floating in space and avant-garde seat upholstery layout make for a visual lightness. A tailored sound experience is provided by speakers integrated into the head restraints. The side bolsters are covered in light-white leather, while perforations with a pixel rain look reveal a view of particles in rose gold. Stitching with a PCB look on the deep-brown centre sections produces an exciting contrast. TFT monitors for rear-seat entertainment are integrated into the front backrests.
      EQ: the new electric mobility brand from the inventor of the automobile
      EQ offers a comprehensive electric mobility ecosystem with products, services, technologies and innovations. The spectrum ranges from electric vehicles to wallboxes and charging services to home energy storage units. Mercedes-Benz will market future battery-electric vehicles under the brand name EQ. The name stands for "Electric Intelligence" and is derived from the Mercedes-Benz brand values of "Emotion and Intelligence". The new brand encompasses all key aspects for customer-focused electric mobility and extends beyond the vehicle itself. Future models will embody the essentials of state-of-the-art electric mobility: the fusion of emotively appealing and intelligent design, exceptional driving pleasure, high everyday practicality and maximum safety, a hallmark of every vehicle from the inventor of the automobile.
      The close-to-production concept vehicle "Generation EQ" marks the launch of an architecture for battery-electric vehicles across all models. Dieter Zetsche:

      "In 2007, the e-smart was a pioneer of electric motoring. We're now flipping the switch. We're ready for the launch of an electric product offensive that will cover all vehicle segments, from the compact to the luxury class."
      Both inside and outside: new light signature for electric cars
      With a new exterior and interior light signature, the inventor of the automobile presents the design trend for future electric vehicles with the star: the distinguishing mark of "Generation EQ" is the "Black Panel" front grille: the white- illuminated Mercedes star and all the light elements are integrated in this seamlessly glazed design element. The blue-illuminated surround gives a completely new interpretation of the typical Mercedes radiator grille. Illuminated LED optical fibres in electric blue produce a light show with exciting touches of colour.
      The peripheral light strip of the "Black Panel" is equally typical of "Generation EQ". Embedded in it are the white, powerful LED headlamps. Viewed from the side, the flowing E-line and beltline form a frame around the base of the mirror camera. Touches of rose gold in the chrome-plated E-line moulding and the spokes of the 21-inch wheels serve as a special eye-catching transition from interior to exterior.
      The rear lamps are of matching design, taking up the contour of the "Black Panel" and surrounded by an LED optical fibre in electric blue, which changes to red when the vehicle is moving and acts as a tail light. The central Mercedes star at the rear end is likewise illuminated in white. Similarly to the front end, the clasp-like light signature on the outside changes to orange as soon as the direction indicator is operated.
      Lighting mood: from welcome scenario to electric blue
      As the driver approaches the car, it automatically activates to welcome him or her with a specific colour mood in the interior. The welcome scenario is rounded off by digital light in the perforated interior door panels. Once the driver has taken their place, the lighting mood switches to electric blue, with the lights in the doors and on the seats dimming slowly. The wide-screen display gradually builds up to present the energy level. The navigation map shows all the destinations that can be reached on the current battery charge.
      Adaptive ambience lighting for a feel-good atmosphere
      A special feel-good atmosphere is produced by the adaptive ambience lighting on board "Generation EQ". There are lighting elements in the light strip underneath the windscreen, on the side and middle air vents, seats, door handles and interior door panels, on the centre console and around the Mercedes star in the steering wheel.
      Powerful electric drive: 300 kW total output with a range of up to 500 kilometres
      With two electric motors on the front and rear axles and a battery in the vehicle floor, "Generation EQ" embodies a powerful vehicle concept. The basis for dynamic high-level performance and safety comes courtesy of the electric all-wheel drive with axle-variable torque distribution and a battery installed deep in the vehicle floor between the axles. With a total output of up to 300 kW in the most powerful variant and a maximum torque of up to 700 Newton metres, "Generation EQ" accelerates to 100 km/h in under five seconds. In combination with the intelligent operating strategy from Mercedes-Benz, "Generation EQ" has a range of up to 500 kilometres.
      In the transfer to series production, Mercedes-Benz benefits not only from its in- house development and production expertise, but also from the Group's cross- model-series modular strategy for alternative drive systems and direct access to key components for electric mobility. The high-efficiency lithium-ion battery originates from the Daimler subsidiary Deutsche ACCUMOTIVE. Thanks to their modular design, the innovative battery systems have a model-specific total capacity of over 70 kWh.
      Convenient charging at home and on the road
      "Generation EQ" brings together the latest-generation charging technologies. The vehicle is ready both for charging at home by induction or wallbox and for fast charging. Mercedes-Benz energy storage units of the future could form an ideal symbiosis with the cordless charging system via induction or wallbox. Households that have their own photovoltaic system and which store their surplus solar power in a Mercedes-Benz energy storage unit can thus benefit from a "green" source of power that is extensively independent of the energy market.
      Significantly reduced charging times will come with the introduction of fast charging by the Combined Charging System (CCS). This European charging standard allows for fast charging with a far greater capacity than at present. Currently, charging capacities from 50 up to sometimes 150 kW are possible. In the medium to long term, a charging capacity of even up to 300 kW is planned. This would enable sufficient power for 100 locally emission-free kilometres to be recharged within five minutes.
      Driver assistance systems for maximum safety
      It goes without saying that "Generation EQ" also features the latest driver assistance systems from Mercedes-Benz. Using highly accurate maps from our partner HERE, the systems know such things as the precise curve radii as well as the position and size of a roundabout. The vehicle can then automatically adjust the speed and driving dynamics to give the driver even greater comfort and
      relaxation. EQ thus takes a further step on the road to autonomous driving, always under the premise of safety and in compliance with the statutory regulations. There is a special focus on the optimised interplay between the individual features, so- called "sensor fusion", i.e. the intelligent combination of data from different sensors. In the opinion of experts at Mercedes-Benz, this is one of the key requirements on the way to automated driving.
      Extended communication by Car-to-X technology
      But the engineers have gone one step further: for example, "Generation EQ" is equipped with Car-to-X technology and can exchange information with the infrastructure and other vehicles – an ideal basis for a series of new driver assistance features that build on existing systems and thus take a further step in the direction of accident prevention. It is also helpful for the driver to be informed about nearby recharging opportunities. As soon as "Generation EQ" realises that the destination cannot be reached on the available battery charge, it advises the driver of appropriate options on the navigation map.
      3D real-time map display from HERE
      Yet the digital interface can do considerably more: another highlight is the high- detail 3D city view with its trendsetting design. Technically, it is based on the map platform from HERE. This makes it possible, for example when searching for points of interest, for restaurants, shopping opportunities and tourist attractions to be especially highlighted. Other buildings recede elegantly into the background. A further focus in the design of the new HERE maps lies in reduced visual complexity while the vehicle is in motion. This means that the driver can see only those buildings and information that are relevant for navigation. There is an exceptional interplay between cockpit and map, with the buildings on the map reflecting details of the instrument lighting. At the same time, the map display also gives a preview of new features, especially for electric vehicles: the driver is provided with information on charging stations as well as opportunities for inductive charging along the route. The high-detail display also includes an indication of the current energy consumption along the route.
      Intelligent driver assistance
      The focus of the user interface is on optimal driver assistance, such as when the main concern is to make best possible use of the available energy in the batteries in order to achieve the best possible range. The innovative consumption display provides the driver with feedback on their driving style while drawing attention to energy-saving  possibilities.
      Additional driver incentives are conceivable: the wide-screen display can be used to tell the driver that the current range is not just sufficient to reach the desired destination, but would also allow a detour for a spur-of-the-moment visit to friends. In addition, the driver can collect bonus kilometres as a reward for especially efficient use of the traction battery – a functionality similar to the one already familiar from current models. The trick is that the collected bonus kilometres make the occupants aware of the attractions or interesting places they can reach from the current location thanks to their driving style.
    • By William Maley
      The diesel emission scandal has left Volkswagen battered and bruised. In an effort to try and salvage their image and business, the company is going all in on electric vehicles. Before the start of the Paris Motor Show, Volkswagen revealed the I.D. concept. Volkswagen says this concept when it goes into production in 2020 will be as groundbreaking as the Beetle.
      We don't know much about the I.D. except for some details,
      About the size of a Golf Uses Volkswagen's new Modular Electric Drive Kit (MEB) Electric motor produces 125kW Total range between 400 to 600 Kilometers (about 249 to 373 Miles) Not sure if this means the vehicle will feature different battery options Fully autonomous mode for the model coming in 2025 We'll have more details when the I.D. makes its auto show debut tomorrow. 
      Source: Volkswagen
      Press Release is on Page 2


      I.D. – THE WORLD PREMIERE
      Sep 28, 2016
      Paris Motor Show - Mondial de l'Automobile 2016
      World premiere of the I.D. starts the countdown to a new era for Volkswagen Volkswagen plans for the visionary I.D. to hit the road in 2020 An ambassador: the I.D. is the first Volkswagen of a new fleet of electric cars It runs and runs: the I.D. has a range of 400 to 600 kilometres Ready for the future: the I.D. concept car demonstrates a fully automated mode for the year 2025 Key facts – the I.D. in keywords
      1. I.D. is the first Volkswagen in a completely new fleet of highly innovative electric vehicles.
      2. I.D. is immediately recognisable as a zero-emission vehicle thanks to a newly developed design DNA for electric cars.
      3. I.D. is driven by an electric motor with an output of 125 kW and has a range of between 400 and 600 kilometres on a single battery charge.
      4. I.D. has an interior that offers an entirely new spatial experience with the Open Space.
      5. I.D. will be launched as a compact electric car in 2020 parallel to the Golf.
      6. As a concept car, I.D. gives us a first tangible glimpse of fully automated driving – this mode will be offered from 2025 onwards.
      7. I.D. retracts its multifunction steering wheel into the dashpad when in fully automated mode ("I.D. Pilot").
      8. I.D. can receive parcels using a new delivery service, if its owner isn't at home.
      9. I.D. is the first compact Volkswagen based on the Modular Electric Drive Kit (MEB).
      10. Volkswagen has set itself the goal of selling a million electric cars a year by 2025.

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    • By William Maley
      The diesel emission scandal has left Volkswagen battered and bruised. In an effort to try and salvage their image and business, the company is going all in on electric vehicles. Before the start of the Paris Motor Show, Volkswagen revealed the I.D. concept. Volkswagen says this concept when it goes into production in 2020 will be as groundbreaking as the Beetle.
      We don't know much about the I.D. except for some details,
      About the size of a Golf Uses Volkswagen's new Modular Electric Drive Kit (MEB) Electric motor produces 125kW Total range between 400 to 600 Kilometers (about 249 to 373 Miles) Not sure if this means the vehicle will feature different battery options Fully autonomous mode for the model coming in 2025 We'll have more details when the I.D. makes its auto show debut tomorrow. 
      Source: Volkswagen
      Press Release is on Page 2


      I.D. – THE WORLD PREMIERE
      Sep 28, 2016
      Paris Motor Show - Mondial de l'Automobile 2016
      World premiere of the I.D. starts the countdown to a new era for Volkswagen Volkswagen plans for the visionary I.D. to hit the road in 2020 An ambassador: the I.D. is the first Volkswagen of a new fleet of electric cars It runs and runs: the I.D. has a range of 400 to 600 kilometres Ready for the future: the I.D. concept car demonstrates a fully automated mode for the year 2025 Key facts – the I.D. in keywords
      1. I.D. is the first Volkswagen in a completely new fleet of highly innovative electric vehicles.
      2. I.D. is immediately recognisable as a zero-emission vehicle thanks to a newly developed design DNA for electric cars.
      3. I.D. is driven by an electric motor with an output of 125 kW and has a range of between 400 and 600 kilometres on a single battery charge.
      4. I.D. has an interior that offers an entirely new spatial experience with the Open Space.
      5. I.D. will be launched as a compact electric car in 2020 parallel to the Golf.
      6. As a concept car, I.D. gives us a first tangible glimpse of fully automated driving – this mode will be offered from 2025 onwards.
      7. I.D. retracts its multifunction steering wheel into the dashpad when in fully automated mode ("I.D. Pilot").
      8. I.D. can receive parcels using a new delivery service, if its owner isn't at home.
      9. I.D. is the first compact Volkswagen based on the Modular Electric Drive Kit (MEB).
      10. Volkswagen has set itself the goal of selling a million electric cars a year by 2025.
    • By dfelt
      Gizmodo reports Tesla is being sued by 127 people in Norway cause Insane mode is not insane enough.
      http://gizmodo.com/telsa-sued-because-insane-mode-not-insane-enough-1786893579
      Pretty interesting reading, clearly buying the P85D with insane mode is understandably not as insane as a P90D or P100D. Guess these people have more money than brains.
       
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