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    Ford Mustang Mach-E Leaks Out Ahead of LA Auto Show

      ...You're not supposed to see this yet, but....

    Leaks of privileged information happen.  In this case, Ford pushed these images and pages to their consumer website in a way which was easy for the folks at MachEForum to find. 

    Here are the basics, the best of each spec, the 2021 Ford Mach-E will have up to 300 miles of driving range, run 0-60 in mid-three second range, and have optional all-wheel drive.  You're going to prioritize those specs though because you won't be able to get them all in the same car.

    All models of Mach-E will be able to recharge 47 miles in 10 minute of DC fast charging in a 150-kw charger

    The base model is called Select and starts at $43,895. It is powered by a 255 horsepower, 306 lb.-ft of torque motor in the rear.  You can opt for all-wheel drive which increases torque to 429lb.ft. This model gets an EPA estimated range of 230 miles and a 0 to 60 sprint of mid 5-seconds. If you qualify for the full $7,500 federal tax credit, the price can be as low as $36,395. It's equipped with 18-inch wheels

    Next up is the Premium trim, starting at $50,600. This comes with 19-inch wheels and again in RWD or AWD configurations. EPA estimated range is 300 miles on the RWD model and 0 to 6- remains mid 5-seconds. 

    There will be a trim called California Route 1 which is an extended range rear-wheel drive model. It has an EPA range of 300 miles and a mid 6-second range sitting on 18-inch wheels.

    Then there is the top of the line GT, starting at $60,500. EPA range is estimated at 235 miles and a mid 3-second range. It comes standard with all-wheel drive. 

    For early adopters, there is a Mach-E First Edition. It offers three exterior colors, including and exclusive "Grabber Blue Metallic", interior contrast stitching, First Edition scuff plates, brushed aluminum pedals, and red brake calipers. This model seems to be a happy medium on range and performance with a 270 mile EPA estimated range, mid 5-second 0-60, AWD, and 19-inch wheels. 

    Inside the Mach-E is a large Telsa-like center screen though with a single physical dial at the bottom. A simple dash and slim gauge cluster sit behind a 3-spoke wheel badged with the Mustang logo. 

    Ford will officially share more information on Sunday night, and the specs listed above are subject to change. We'll keep you updated as more information comes out. In the meantime, scroll down to see all of the information grabbed in the screenshots.

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    300 mile estimate is a little weak, IMO.

    The Euro estimate is like 370 miles. I figured it would be 340-350 miles.

    300 miles, AWD, mid 5 second car, that would be a pretty sweet daily. 

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    On 11/15/2019 at 10:57 AM, frogger said:

    Can not say I'm a big fan of the side profile, windows make me think of the previous gen ~2014 Tucson.  Hopefully looks nicer in person/in better images.

     

     

    I see some Model X in the greenhouse...but smaller side windows.   I wonder how the door handles work..this still looks very 'concept car' in the pics..

    Edit: these pics came up today...strange door handles.  Why do car makers think they have to reinvent door handles just because it's an EV?  Why not normal door handles?

    https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/first-real-life-photos-of-mach-e-exterior-and-interior.62/#post-819

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    Saw this somewhere else...

    They should make a bigger version called the Grand Mach-E, but it would mostly sell in Florida. 

    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    300 mile estimate is a little weak, IMO.

    The Euro estimate is like 370 miles. I figured it would be 340-350 miles.

    300 miles, AWD, mid 5 second car, that would be a pretty sweet daily. 

    The WLTP estimate is always more ambitious than the EPA estimate.  But the Bolt can beat the EPA estimate easily on a nice spring day. 

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    Initial, cropped images looks interesting, but I have a feeling real world shots will make it look bloated. Esp if I can't get the Mustang car out of my mind's eye.
    The tax credit possibility remains a 'ghost carrot' that -unless you're a tax idiot- you'd have to intentionally over-withdraw a full fiscal year ahead of your purchase in order to get. Most people won't see anywhere near $7500- might as well forget that 'discount'.

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    It looks good from the front, the back end looks a bit odd though.  I think the pricing seems pretty strong for this being an SUV and the range and performance offered.  It is similar to Model 3 pricing, but in SUV form, so it could sell well.

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    35 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Initial, cropped images looks interesting, but I have a feeling real world shots will make it look bloated. Esp if I can't get the Mustang car out of my mind's eye.
    The tax credit possibility remains a 'ghost carrot' that -unless you're a tax idiot- you'd have to intentionally over-withdraw a full fiscal year ahead of your purchase in order to get. Most people won't see anywhere near $7500- might as well forget that 'discount'.

    I dont understand by what you mean.  Are there obstacles to get the EV tax rebate?  And why do these obstacles exist?

     

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    It looks good from the front, the back end looks a bit odd though.  I think the pricing seems pretty strong for this being an SUV and the range and performance offered.  It is similar to Model 3 pricing, but in SUV form, so it could sell well.

    Same price range as the Explorer also.  I assume this is a two row? 

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    3 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

    I dont understand by what you mean.  Are there obstacles to get the EV tax rebate?  And why do these obstacles exist?

    It’s not a rebate. It’s a tax credit. In the fiscal year you buy the EV, IF you owe MORE than $7500 on your federal income tax, you can take that reduction against what you owe. Only in the single designated year. If you owe the Gov’t $800, that’s your EV credit; $800. If the Gov’t owes you money back, your EV credit is $0.

    And most people do not intentionally set their witholdings up so the Gov’t pockets $7500+ from their biweekly checks. That’s like $290/check.

    So when your Model 3’s sticker says $54,321, you are signing loan paperwork to pay $54,321 (down payment, etc, aside).

    This is why I feel Tesla and any others are being grotesquely / borderline criminally misleading by saying that $54,321 Model 3 is $46,821.

    ’Ghost carrot’.

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    6 hours ago, balthazar said:

    It’s not a rebate. It’s a tax credit. In the fiscal year you buy the EV, IF you owe MORE than $7500 on your federal income tax, you can take that reduction against what you owe. Only in the single designated year. If you owe the Gov’t $800, that’s your EV credit; $800. If the Gov’t owes you money back, your EV credit is $0.

    And most people do not intentionally set their witholdings up so the Gov’t pockets $7500+ from their biweekly checks. That’s like $290/check.

    So when your Model 3’s sticker says $54,321, you are signing loan paperwork to pay $54,321 (down payment, etc, aside).

    This is why I feel Tesla and any others are being grotesquely / borderline criminally misleading by saying that $54,321 Model 3 is $46,821.

    ’Ghost carrot’.

    Ah....

    You see. I was calling it a rebate, because I really thought it was a rebate...

    Tax credit.  And whatever you owe the government. THAT is your "rebate" come tax time. If you owe the government $800, and you bought an EV during that fiscal year, you dont pay the Feds a dime BECAUSE you bought an EV?  THAT is how it works, right?  

    Each person's credit is different and not applicable right away either. Very misleading indeed. 

    Thank-you.  

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      IONIQ 5’s E-GMP can support both 400-V and 800-V charging infrastructures. The platform offers 800-V charging capability as standard, along with 400-V charging, without the need for additional components or adapters. The multi-charging system is a world’s first patented technology that operates the motor and inverter to boost 400 V to 800 V for stable charging compatibility.
      With a 350-kW charger, IONIQ 5 can charge from 10 percent to 80 percent in just 18 minutes. IONIQ 5 users only need to charge the vehicle for five minutes to get 100 km of range, according to WLTP.
      IONIQ 5 also provides an innovative V2L function, which allows customers to freely use or charge any electric devices, such as electric bicycles, scooters or camping equipment, serving as a charger on wheels.
      The V2L function can supply up to 3.6 kW of power. The V2L port is located under the second-row seats, and it can be activated when a vehicle is on. Another V2L port is located at the charging port on the vehicle exterior. Using a converter, customers can charge high-power electric equipment. The outside port provides power even when the vehicle is turned off.
      Innovative connectivity and driver assistance for safety and convenience[5]
      IONIQ 5 seamlessly integrates advanced technologies for an enhanced digital user experience. The wide, configurable, dual cockpit features a 12-inch, full-touch infotainment screen and hoodless 12- inch digital gauge cluster that can be customized to meet customers’ needs.
      For the first time in Hyundai, IONIQ 5 features an Augmented Reality Head-Up Display (AR HUD), essentially turning the windshield into a display screen.
      IONIQ 5 is also equipped with the next level of Hyundai SmartSense, advanced driver assistance system, ensuring the highest levels of safety and convenience on the road. IONIQ 5 is the first Hyundai model to offer Highway Driving Assist 2 (HDA 2). Other driving assistance systems include Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA), Blind-Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (BCA), Intelligent Speed Limit Assist (ISLA), Driver Attention Warning (DAW), High Beam Assist (HBA), and more.
      IONIQ 5 will be available in selected regions starting in the first half of 2021.
      Dimensions
      Wheelbase
      3,000 mm
      Length
      4,635 mm
      Width
      1,890 mm
      Height
      1,605 mm
      Cargo
      Boot/trunk space
      531 L / 1591 L (when second-row seats are fully folded)
      Front trunk
      North American (NA) model: 24 L (both AWD and 2WD)
      Non-NA model: 57 L (2WD) or 24 L (AWD)
      Performance
      Platform
      Electric-Global Modular Platform
      Maximum Driving Range
      (according to WLTP)
      470~480 km
      (When pairing 2WD with 72.6-kWh battery option)
       
      Long Range
      72.6-kWh Battery
      (77.4-kWh for NA)
      AWD
      Power
      225-kW (Front and Rear combined)
      Torque
      605-Nm (Front and Rear combined)
      0-100 km/h
      5.2 seconds
      2WD 
      Power
      160-kW Rear
      Torque
      350-Nm Rear
      0-100 km/h
      7.4 seconds
       
      Standard Range
      58-kWh Battery
      AWD
      Power
      173 kW (Front and Rear combined)
      Torque
      605 Nm (Front and Rear combined)
      0-100 km/h
      6.1 seconds
      2WD
      Power
      125 kW
      Torque
      350 Nm
      0-100 km/h
      8.5 seconds
      Features (Please see additional details section below table for more information)
      Supported Charging Infrastructure
      400 V and 800 V (No need for additional adapters)
      Ultra-fast Charging
      10 % to 80 % in 18 minutes of charge
      100 km of range (WLTP) in 5 minutes of charge
      Vehicle-to-Load
      Max. Output
      3.6 kW
      Port Locations
      Inside: Under second-row seats
      Outside: vehicle charging port
      Infotainment
      Screen
      12-inch, full-touch infotainment screen
      Hoodless 12-inch digital gauge cluster
      Bluelink® connected car services
      Remote Profile Management
      Remote Start Enhancements
      Vehicle Status Notifications
      POI Send to Car Now with Waypoints
      Maintenance Alert Enhancement
      Dynamic Voice Recognition
      Safety and Convenience Features
      Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA)
      Blind-Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (BCA)
      Safe Exit Assist (SEA)
      Intelligent Speed Limit Assist (ISLA)
      Driver Attention Warning (DAW)
      High Beam Assist (HBA)
      Surround View Monitor (SVM)
      Rear Cross-Traffic Collision-Avoidance Assist (RCCA)
      Parking Collision-Avoidance Assist (PCA)
      Highway Driving Assist 2 (HDA 2)
      Remote Smart Parking Assist (RSPA)
      Available Colors
      Exterior: Gravity Gold Matte, Shooting-Star Gray Matte, Digital Teal-Green Pearl, Lucid Blue Pearl, Atlas White, Cyber Gray Metallic, Phantom Black Pearl, Galactic Gray Metallic (not available in NA region), Mystic Olive-Green Pearl (not available in NA region)
      Interior: Obsidian Black and Dark Pebble Gray/Dove Gray, Dark Teal/Dove Gray, and Terra Brown/Mud Gray (only available in Korea)
    • By David
      Since Ford Motor Company reported a complete Q4 / 2020 fiscal year report with a loss of $2.8 Billion but a doubling of R&D on EVs to $22 Billion from $11 Billion and a $7 Billion for EV Autonomous driving, the auto reporters are asking this very question: Is this a Shot across gm's bow or is it targeted more broadly across the whole industry as everyone wants to take sales away or greatly slow down Tesla.
      Tesla's valuation appears to be based on investors putting money with new technology seems to be driving changes of the future. 
      gm has now committed to moving into the technology camp with a solid date of when new ICE auto's will no longer be produced as the whole portfolio will change over to EV's. Ford also is now committing to this same strategy. This now makes one wonder about the rest of the auto industry.
      Stellantis CEO did an interview with Forbes that has put cold water on Peugeot coming to the US in the near term future as he wants to invest in the existing US name brands and grow their 12.7% market share. He also said that Stellantis has the manufacturing power and EV technology, but getting it into the hands of everyone is the concern at reasonable prices. Stellantis CEO says this is in the hands of the various global governments as he wants cleaner air and believes diesel the dirtiest of fuels will die off before regular petrol and where dictated by governments such as China and Europe will see a faster change over than other countries. Yet with the change in administration in the US, he says this could move the Stellantis brands to move into the full EV camp at a future date.
      Then we have small countries that have decided to make a major change in moving the country into EVs way sooner than other places and killing ICE sales like Thailand. This will allow local Thai startups to compete for the first time with international companies that also do not have anything in the market yet. 
      With a large range of battery plants coming online over the next 18 months, the move to EVs could happen at a pace that took decades for ICE in the early 1900's.
      So this brings this back to the original question, Is Fords Doubling commitment to EV's and moving ICE into the last generation like GM a shot across GM's bow or a shot at the whole industry to say, look at us, we are moving into a Technology driven auto company and our stock should be much higher like Tesla's.
      Currently gm is valued at just under $80 Billion, Ford is valued at $40 Billion, Tesla is valued at $807 Billion, Toyota is valued at $155.5 Billion, Stellantis is valued at $50.5 Billion, Daimler is valued at $71 Billion, BMW valued at $46 and VW is valued at $90.7 Billion and while there are plenty of other auto companies, one has to wonder what Ford is focused on with the drastic change and speeding up of moving to EVs as a complete global portfolio.
      Sound off and discuss how, what, where and when you think this will have it's big affect.
      Charged EVs | Is Ford’s increase in EV investment a shot across GM’s bow? - Charged EVs
      Stellantis CEO Reveals Peugeot U.S. Fate, Job Security, EV Conflict (forbes.com)
      Future Toyotas, Stellantis, batteries and EVs - the week | Automotive Industry Comment | just-auto (just-auto.com)
    • By William Maley
      We've been reporting on Ford's upcoming truck, the Maverick since 2018. The truck would sit underneath the Ranger and become the entry-level model for the brand. Now, we have gotten our best look at what it will look like.
      The Maverick Truck Club forum got its hand on an image showing a prototype Maverick on the line reportedly at Ford's Hermosillo, Mexico plant. Up front, the Maverick borrows some ideas from the Bronco Sport with C-shaped headlights and a horizontal bar splitting the grille. We don't know if Ford is planning to offer any cab configurations aside from the crew-cab seen in the photo.
      Ford did not immediately reply to comment on this when reached out by Roadshow. 
      The Maverick is expected to use the C2 architecture which underpins the new Escape and Bronco Sport. Autoblog speculates there could be two rear suspension setups based on spy shots that show a mule with twist-beam style setup with no rear differential for the front-wheel driver version. A slightly beefier setup might be used for the all-wheel drive version.
      Right now, everyone seems to think that the Maverick could debut as a 2022 model year vehicle.  
      Source: Maverick Truck Club, Roadshow, Autoblog
      Pic Credit: Maverick Truck Club


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    • By William Maley
      We've been reporting on Ford's upcoming truck, the Maverick since 2018. The truck would sit underneath the Ranger and become the entry-level model for the brand. Now, we have gotten our best look at what it will look like.
      The Maverick Truck Club forum got its hand on an image showing a prototype Maverick on the line reportedly at Ford's Hermosillo, Mexico plant. Up front, the Maverick borrows some ideas from the Bronco Sport with C-shaped headlights and a horizontal bar splitting the grille. We don't know if Ford is planning to offer any cab configurations aside from the crew-cab seen in the photo.
      Ford did not immediately reply to comment on this when reached out by Roadshow. 
      The Maverick is expected to use the C2 architecture which underpins the new Escape and Bronco Sport. Autoblog speculates there could be two rear suspension setups based on spy shots that show a mule with twist-beam style setup with no rear differential for the front-wheel driver version. A slightly beefier setup might be used for the all-wheel drive version.
      Right now, everyone seems to think that the Maverick could debut as a 2022 model year vehicle.  
      Source: Maverick Truck Club, Roadshow, Autoblog
      Pic Credit: Maverick Truck Club

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