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    GM Announces Six Brand New Recalls, Covers 3.5 Million Vehicles


    • June Appears To Be Recall Madness For General Motors


    Another day, another large recall set from General Motors. The automaker announced six recalls covering around 3.5 million vehicles from the 2000 to 2015 model years.

    The largest recall covers around 3.36 million vehicles built between 2000 and 2014 and sold in the US, Canada, and Mexico. The problem deals with the vehicle's ignition switch where it can kicked off from the run position due to if keychain is heavy or if they experience a "jarring" event. GM will modify the ignition key by drilling a four-by-six-millimeter hole to deal with weight of a keychain better. The vehicles affected include:

    • 2005-2009 Buick Lacrosse
    • 2006–2011 Buick Lucerne
    • 2004–2005 Buick Regal LS & GS
    • 2000–2005 Cadillac Deville
    • 2004–2011 Cadillac DTS
    • 2006-2014 Chevrolet Impala
    • 2006–2008 Chevy Monte Carlo

    GM says this issue has been linked to eight crashes and six injuries.

    The other five recalls are as followed:

    • 68,887 Cadillac ATSs from the 2013 to 2014 model year, and 21,863 CTS from the 2014 model year equipped with the automatic transmission may have a shift cable that isn't fully secured to the shifter or transmission bracket. If the cable separates, the driver will not be able to shift out of gear.
    • 57,192 2015 model year Chevrolet Silverado 2500/3500 HD and GMC Sierra 2500/3500 HD will need to be inspected for proper attachment of the power steering hose clamps to the pump. If unattached, the vehicle would resort to manual steering and brakes with no warning to the driver.
    • 16,932 model year 2011 Cadillac CTS sedans equipped with AWD may have a gasket leak where the CV joint meets with the rear driveshaft. The leak could cause the driveshaft to separate or become loose, which in turn causes a domino effect to where the side air bags deploy. GM is aware of 15 unintended deployments in this model.
    • 712 model year 2014 Chevrolet Corvettes equipped with the optional Competition Sport Seats will need a new side airbag because "an unbelted child and door trim may block the passenger seat side air bag vent in a deployment." GM advises not to have any small kids ride in the Corvette till this is fixed. (We're also wondering why anyone would let a small kid ride in a Corvette without putting on a seatbelt, but we digress. -WM)
    • 184 model year 2014-15 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickups equipped with vinyl floors and accessory all-weather floor mats purchased new with the vehicle will need to return the floor mats for a refund as the floor mats don't have any attachments to lock them into the floor. This could cause the mats to slide about under the driver's feet.

    Source: General Motors

    William Maley is a staff writer for Cheers & Gears. He can be reached at william.maley@cheersandgears.comor you can follow him on twitter at @realmudmonster.

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    GM Will Rework or Replace Keys on 3.16 Million U.S. Cars

    DETROIT – General Motors will rework or replace the ignition keys on about 3.16 million 2000 to 2014 model year cars in the U.S. because the ignition switch may inadvertently move out of the "run" position if the key is carrying extra weight and experiences some jarring event.

    The use of a key with a hole, rather than a slotted key, addresses the concern of unintended key rotation due to a jarring road event, such as striking a pothole or crossing railroad tracks.

    Only one of the models included in the U.S. recall of 3,160,725 cars is still in production – the previous generation Chevrolet Impala, which is sold to daily rental fleets as the Impala Limited. The total North America population – U.S., Canada, Mexico and exports – is 3,360,555.

    The safety recall follows a review of ignition issues following the recall in February of 2.6 million Chevrolet Cobalts and other small cars. GM is aware of eight crashes and six injuries related to this recall.

    If the ignition switch moves out of the "run" position, there is an effect on power steering and power braking. In addition, the timing of the key movement out of the "run" position, relative to the activation of the sensing algorithm of the crash event, may result in the air bags not deploying.

    The cars being recalled are the:

    • Buick Lacrosse MY 2005-2009
    • Chevrolet Impala MY 2006-2014
    • Cadillac Deville MY 2000–2005
    • Cadillac DTS MY 2004–2011
    • Buick Lucerne MY 2006–2011
    • Buick Regal LS & GS MY 2004–2005
    • Chevy Monte Carlo MY 2006–2008

    In these vehicles, the ignition switch may be unable to handle extra weight hanging on a slotted key. GM will add an insert to the ignition keys of the recalled vehicles to close the slot and leave a 4x6-millimeter hole through which the key ring could be attached. In vehicles where the key cover has been worn, new keys with holes instead of slots will be provided free of charge.

    Rework of the keys – adding key inserts – at GM dealerships is expected to begin in the next few weeks. Until the rework or replacement is completed, owners of the recalled cars are urged to remove additional weight from their key chains and drive with only the ignition key.

    In addition to the ignition key recall, GM also announced U.S. recalls for 165,770 vehicles in these five actions:

    68,887 model year 2013-14 Cadillac ATS and 21,863 model year 2014 Cadillac CTS sedans. In certain vehicles with automatic transmissions, the shift cable may not be fully secured to the shifter bracket or transmission bracket. If the shift cable comes out of the brackets, the driver may not be able to shift the transmission in or out of gear. GM is unaware of any crashes or injuries related to this condition.

    57,192 2015 Chevrolet Silverado 2500/3500 HD and 2015 GMC Sierra 2500/3500 GMC Sierra HD to inspect for proper attachment of power steering hose clamps to the power steering pump. If the vehicle is driven with the clamp unattached, the hose may disconnect from the pump or gear, causing a rapid loss of power steering fluid. This will result in loss of power steering assist and Hydro Boost powered brakes without warning. The vehicle would revert to manual brakes and manual steering. GM knows of no crashes or injuries from the condition. Dealers are to inspect power steering hose clamps in two locations to ensure they are properly attached.

    16,932 model year 2011 Cadillac CTS sedans with AWD. On some vehicles, a gasket leak where the constant velocity joint meets the rear propeller shaft may cause the rear propeller shaft to separate or become loose, making contact with the vehicle floor above and causing the rollover sensor to deploy the roof rail air bags. GM is aware of 15 unintended deployments, but injury data is unclear.

    712 model year 2014 Chevrolet Corvettes with optional Competition Sport Seats, because an unbelted child and door trim may block the passenger seat side air bag vent in a deployment. Dealers will replace the current air bag with a redesigned version. GM is unaware of any crashes or injuries related to this condition, but advises customers to not allow small children in the front seat until the vehicle is serviced.

    184 model year 2014-15 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra full-size pickups with vinyl floors and accessory all-weather floor mats purchased new with the vehicle. The mats can slip under the driver's feet because the vinyl floors have no attachments to secure them in place. Customers are advised take the floor mats to their dealer for a full refund. GM is unaware of any crashes or injuries related to the mats.

    GM expects to take a charge of up to approximately $700 million in the second quarter for the cost of recall-related repairs announced in the quarter. This amount includes a previously disclosed $400 million charge for recalls announced May 15 and May 20.

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    This makes one wonder if the CEO has decided to attack every little thing and get over the issues even the smallest so they can move forward with bullet proof line of auto's. At least I am hoping this is the thinking.

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    Who's to say the cars being built now are any better than the 2004-2009 era stuff. I mean the 2014 CTS and ATS are on the recall list now, these were supposed to be the best GM had to offer and challenge the Germans. The 2014 Silverado had recall issues too, so have things really changed? It seems like same old, same old.

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    so from what im gathering from peoples attitudes is that they are blasting GM for letting the first ignition recall go so long, which is understandable. now people are blasting them for taking care of a potential problem before it becomes one. Which do people want, an apathetic car company or a demonstration of proactively taking care of the consumer?

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    I think this also demonstrates a good-faith effort to own problem cars that GM would technically not be liable for after the bankruptcy.

     

    These recalls do two things; 1) Maintains a positive reputation for the company regarding shareholders and future sales and 2) a buffer from the courts to allow any class-action lawsuits that are mainly being motivated by greedy trial attorneys.

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    so from what im gathering from peoples attitudes is that they are blasting GM for letting the first ignition recall go so long, which is understandable. now people are blasting them for taking care of a potential problem before it becomes one. Which do people want, an apathetic car company or a demonstration of proactively taking care of the consumer?

     

    I think we all want the latter, but the rate and amount of vehicles that GM has been recalling is kind of verging on absurd. 

    Not that I'm complaining about it, I rather have someone out front.

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    Bye bye resale value......

     

    How so if the vehicle is fixed?

     

     

     

    Would you want to buy something that has "been through so many recalls"?  People who are not car people are going to wonder why a company is recalling so many cars....whether it is in good faith or not. When my neighbor refers to my Cobalt as the "junky" car, this kinda gives you a little insight on just how the media is running wild on this.

     

     

    Question is just how damaged the rep is right now.....

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    so from what im gathering from peoples attitudes is that they are blasting GM for letting the first ignition recall go so long, which is understandable. now people are blasting them for taking care of a potential problem before it becomes one. Which do people want, an apathetic car company or a demonstration of proactively taking care of the consumer?

     

     

    I'm going with going from one extreme to the other.....

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    Bye bye resale value......

     

    How so if the vehicle is fixed?

     

     

     

    Would you want to buy something that has "been through so many recalls"?  People who are not car people are going to wonder why a company is recalling so many cars....whether it is in good faith or not. When my neighbor refers to my Cobalt as the "junky" car, this kinda gives you a little insight on just how the media is running wild on this.

     

     

    Question is just how damaged the rep is right now.....

     

     

    Do you have hard evidence other than hear say or perceptions?

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    Wow it is time for some here to get outside and play.

     

    I have not read all the threads here on this as so many are so old and untouched but I though most here would be up to date on what all is going on.

     

    Yes GM is recalling much but Mary is doing so to clean the slate. Much of what is being recalled would have been a TSB last year. If it looks like or even smells of a recall GM will clean the plate. This is to be proactive and to make sure this issue does no linger like heartburn. Mary has chosen the right way to lead on this and not just sit back and hope it blows over.

     

    Note that sales of new GM vehicles have not been hampered in any way. Being that most of the cars involved in the negative publicity have not been in production for years is a help but the way GM is dealing with it so far has been good.

    As of now I see the public losing interest and the media moving on.


    Resale values may be effected on a Ion or Cobalt but lets face it how much will you lose on one of these. My HHR values are as good or better than before. I have noted the SS models have even gone up on good clean models since there is more demand than models available.

     

    The real beef I have had is the lack of full disclosure by the media on the 13 deaths. While GM may have played a part in most but not all accidents the media has not been very good at relaying the mitigating circumstanced of many of the crashes.

     

    What has been left out is alcohol was involved in several of the crashes. One the driver was on tripping on drugs.

     

    Over half of them were not belted in.

     

    One may have been having an epileptic seizure prior to the accident and was still under power at over 75 MPH.

     

    Speed was a factor in more than one crash one was 3 times the limit with speed and twice the limit drunk.

     

    Two were killed when a drunk driver went left of center and hit the car head on.

     

    I have read and learned the details on 12 of the 13 deaths and there are only two that I can see had not identified mitigating circumstances that played major roles beyond the failed air bag.  One was a 81 year old woman that I think just could not turn the car and the other had nothing odd listed but the investigation may have been incomplete.  There was one failed seat belt but the woman was over twice the legal limit over.

     

    Now I do not absolve GM of the part failures but in most of these very public cases most of the drivers either hastened or contributed to their own deaths. Most would have lived if they had not been under the influence and or drunk. The media likes to leave this out.

     

    Normally a car stalling is not a death sentence. The fact is the car is still steerable, it will hold enough vacuum to stop the car with several pumps of the brake pedal. The steering is heavy but generally you are able to get the car to the side of the road.

     

    I think you will find the public either does not car so much or they are smart enough to know that this ignition issue is not something that happens often. While it was used on many cars few have had the issue.

     

    GM will have the summer of recalls here to clean everything up. If you have not noticed other brands have opened more recalls too as they know they could also be targeted by the media when they tire of the GM story.

    Once we get through the fall this will all go away.

     

    I do see a positive side to this. as some here know the GM culture failure was nothing new and has gone on for decades. It was well documented in the Delorean book On a Clear Day You Can See GM. Bob Lutz talked extensively about it in Car Guys Vs. Bean Counters. He points out how one of his first goals was to start the culture change and keep it going after he left. So far Mary has done so and to me the investigation is the ammo that she needed to put down any uprising that some may attempt to fight her changes. As Bob said there were those who were part of the problem that would come to him and try to move things back to how they used to do it. Mary was facing the same thing and now she has documentation on things that needed changed and they will permit her in a public way to change them for the better.

     

    In the end I see this will make GM a better company and the fears of lower values and dropping sales were no an issue. Hell the higher prices and no incentives on the trucks hurt them more than the recalls. Now that they have been adjusted sales are back to normal there.

     

    As for GM's rep just look around. They are still winning awards on the new cars. Sales are up even more than other brands and there have been no lingering effects even in the height of this ordeal.

     

    As for junky Cobalt. Like you have not heard that before. Most of the pre chapter 11 cars were junky. Yes they had their good points but compared to post Chapter 11 cars there is no comparison. Only the 08 Malibu had much of what we see today and It was the pin in the turning point of the products.

     

    Nearly all the cars being recalled are out  of production and have spent much time in the used market. Most are the cheap cars now and while some may pass them on a used market it has not shown signs of hurting sales of the current line up.

     

    I am not sure if it is just being older cars? Being new GM vs. old GM?,  Or people just not really paying attention to the whole thing. Lets face it if half of the cars still on the road come in they will be lucky

     

    Anyways this is one of those deals you have to put it into perspective and take in all that went on and not just what GM did as the other factors often played just as large of a part of the life and death drama as the ignition. The failed part may have started the chain of unfortunate events but the part on weather you lived or died hinged on the actions and behavior of the driver under the failure. From what I have seen from the accident reports over half of these people would still be alive if they had a belt on. and more if they had not been under the influence and speeding. I don't care what it is but if a car has a failure and you are not in a condition to deal with it who's fault is that?

     

    I would recommend reading the story in Car and Driver August page 19. they test an Ion and make the steering fail as well as brakes and the results are not surprising. The car still stopped well even if they removed the vaccum hose as the check valve kept the vacuum up. The steering was heavier but the car still drove well enough to only be 1.6 MH slower in the slalom.  They like myself point to mitigating circumstances that each driver placed into the case as being a major factor. To thumbs up to Car and Driver for being one of the few media outlets to print things and show things the others failed to disclose.

     

    It is amazing how many people think the reason so many crashed was that the steering locked? They have no idea how this even works.

     

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    Bye bye resale value......

     

    How so if the vehicle is fixed?

     

     

     

    Would you want to buy something that has "been through so many recalls"?  People who are not car people are going to wonder why a company is recalling so many cars....whether it is in good faith or not. When my neighbor refers to my Cobalt as the "junky" car, this kinda gives you a little insight on just how the media is running wild on this.

     

     

    Question is just how damaged the rep is right now.....

     

     

    Do you have hard evidence other than hear say or perceptions?

     

    Z, it's okay man-I'm not here to bash on GM....

     

    For us car folk, all we can do is shake our head and moan. It is annoying, but it's not going to stop me from buying or recommending GM cars and trucks.  And GM took care of me when my Cobalt went in for recall work. So all is good there.

     

    It's those non car people who listen to the media I am more worried about. Most people don"t even ask questions, like the whys and hows. Like my neighbor who now thinks everything GM makes now is junk. Or some of my co workers....

     

     

    As far as evidence, I don't have any...I just take what is going around me. Though I did visit a buddy who works at a local Dodge dealership, and while talking to him, joked about trading my balt in to another guy. Not sure if he thought I was serious, but he did tell me that the most he could give me was like 1500, because there was no way he was going to be able to sell it on his lot...which i interesting, since I think it is more like 5 I think..

     

    Hence why I mentioned the damaged rep.....

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    Wow it is time for some here to get outside and play.

     

    I have not read all the threads here on this as so many are so old and untouched but I though most here would be up to date on what all is going on.

     

    Yes GM is recalling much but Mary is doing so to clean the slate. Much of what is being recalled would have been a TSB last year. If it looks like or even smells of a recall GM will clean the plate. This is to be proactive and to make sure this issue does no linger like heartburn. Mary has chosen the right way to lead on this and not just sit back and hope it blows over.

     

    Note that sales of new GM vehicles have not been hampered in any way. Being that most of the cars involved in the negative publicity have not been in production for years is a help but the way GM is dealing with it so far has been good.

    As of now I see the public losing interest and the media moving on.

    Resale values may be effected on a Ion or Cobalt but lets face it how much will you lose on one of these. My HHR values are as good or better than before. I have noted the SS models have even gone up on good clean models since there is more demand than models available.

     

    The real beef I have had is the lack of full disclosure by the media on the 13 deaths. While GM may have played a part in most but not all accidents the media has not been very good at relaying the mitigating circumstanced of many of the crashes.

     

    What has been left out is alcohol was involved in several of the crashes. One the driver was on tripping on drugs.

     

    Over half of them were not belted in.

     

    One may have been having an epileptic seizure prior to the accident and was still under power at over 75 MPH.

     

    Speed was a factor in more than one crash one was 3 times the limit with speed and twice the limit drunk.

     

    Two were killed when a drunk driver went left of center and hit the car head on.

     

    I have read and learned the details on 12 of the 13 deaths and there are only two that I can see had not identified mitigating circumstances that played major roles beyond the failed air bag.  One was a 81 year old woman that I think just could not turn the car and the other had nothing odd listed but the investigation may have been incomplete.  There was one failed seat belt but the woman was over twice the legal limit over.

     

    Now I do not absolve GM of the part failures but in most of these very public cases most of the drivers either hastened or contributed to their own deaths. Most would have lived if they had not been under the influence and or drunk. The media likes to leave this out.

     

    Normally a car stalling is not a death sentence. The fact is the car is still steerable, it will hold enough vacuum to stop the car with several pumps of the brake pedal. The steering is heavy but generally you are able to get the car to the side of the road.

     

    I think you will find the public either does not car so much or they are smart enough to know that this ignition issue is not something that happens often. While it was used on many cars few have had the issue.

     

    GM will have the summer of recalls here to clean everything up. If you have not noticed other brands have opened more recalls too as they know they could also be targeted by the media when they tire of the GM story.

    Once we get through the fall this will all go away.

     

    I do see a positive side to this. as some here know the GM culture failure was nothing new and has gone on for decades. It was well documented in the Delorean book On a Clear Day You Can See GM. Bob Lutz talked extensively about it in Car Guys Vs. Bean Counters. He points out how one of his first goals was to start the culture change and keep it going after he left. So far Mary has done so and to me the investigation is the ammo that she needed to put down any uprising that some may attempt to fight her changes. As Bob said there were those who were part of the problem that would come to him and try to move things back to how they used to do it. Mary was facing the same thing and now she has documentation on things that needed changed and they will permit her in a public way to change them for the better.

     

    In the end I see this will make GM a better company and the fears of lower values and dropping sales were no an issue. Hell the higher prices and no incentives on the trucks hurt them more than the recalls. Now that they have been adjusted sales are back to normal there.

     

    As for GM's rep just look around. They are still winning awards on the new cars. Sales are up even more than other brands and there have been no lingering effects even in the height of this ordeal.

     

    As for junky Cobalt. Like you have not heard that before. Most of the pre chapter 11 cars were junky. Yes they had their good points but compared to post Chapter 11 cars there is no comparison. Only the 08 Malibu had much of what we see today and It was the pin in the turning point of the products.

     

    Nearly all the cars being recalled are out  of production and have spent much time in the used market. Most are the cheap cars now and while some may pass them on a used market it has not shown signs of hurting sales of the current line up.

     

    I am not sure if it is just being older cars? Being new GM vs. old GM?,  Or people just not really paying attention to the whole thing. Lets face it if half of the cars still on the road come in they will be lucky

     

    Anyways this is one of those deals you have to put it into perspective and take in all that went on and not just what GM did as the other factors often played just as large of a part of the life and death drama as the ignition. The failed part may have started the chain of unfortunate events but the part on weather you lived or died hinged on the actions and behavior of the driver under the failure. From what I have seen from the accident reports over half of these people would still be alive if they had a belt on. and more if they had not been under the influence and speeding. I don't care what it is but if a car has a failure and you are not in a condition to deal with it who's fault is that?

     

    I would recommend reading the story in Car and Driver August page 19. they test an Ion and make the steering fail as well as brakes and the results are not surprising. The car still stopped well even if they removed the vaccum hose as the check valve kept the vacuum up. The steering was heavier but the car still drove well enough to only be 1.6 MH slower in the slalom.  They like myself point to mitigating circumstances that each driver placed into the case as being a major factor. To thumbs up to Car and Driver for being one of the few media outlets to print things and show things the others failed to disclose.

     

    It is amazing how many people think the reason so many crashed was that the steering locked? They have no idea how this even works.

     

     

    True...hence my issues and beef with the media right now.....they are trying to turn this from a roast to a full blown BBQ.....

     

     

    And as far as my Cobalt, It's not the world's great car (still prefer my Cavalier over it), but short of a few issues, has not done me wrong. Far from junky...

     

    Besides, the Balt is my beater.....not worried what people think about it anyways. That, and it's well cared for anyways......

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    Bye bye resale value......

     

    How so if the vehicle is fixed?

     

     

     

    Would you want to buy something that has "been through so many recalls"?  People who are not car people are going to wonder why a company is recalling so many cars....whether it is in good faith or not. When my neighbor refers to my Cobalt as the "junky" car, this kinda gives you a little insight on just how the media is running wild on this.

     

     

    Question is just how damaged the rep is right now.....

     

     

    Do you have hard evidence other than hear say or perceptions?

     

    Z, it's okay man-I'm not here to bash on GM....

     

    For us car folk, all we can do is shake our head and moan. It is annoying, but it's not going to stop me from buying or recommending GM cars and trucks.  And GM took care of me when my Cobalt went in for recall work. So all is good there.

     

    It's those non car people who listen to the media I am more worried about. Most people don"t even ask questions, like the whys and hows. Like my neighbor who now thinks everything GM makes now is junk. Or some of my co workers....

     

     

    As far as evidence, I don't have any...I just take what is going around me. Though I did visit a buddy who works at a local Dodge dealership, and while talking to him, joked about trading my balt in to another guy. Not sure if he thought I was serious, but he did tell me that the most he could give me was like 1500, because there was no way he was going to be able to sell it on his lot...which i interesting, since I think it is more like 5 I think..

     

    Hence why I mentioned the damaged rep.....

     

     

    Damaged reputation is different than resale value. The entire question started with what makes you think the resale value is down? When numbers from KBB, ALG and Blackbook actually show that the values have not been affected for the recalled vehicles nor for other GM vehicles. By supporting or condoning the misinformed people, knowledgeable people just exacerbate the problems, don't you think? The misinformation agenda has its goals accomplished.

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    Guess the flood gates have started to open on recalls now that Honda, Mazda, Nizzan and Toyota have issued major recalls over airbags from Takata industry.

     

    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/honda-mazda-nissan-recall-vehicles-over-takata-airbags-n138166

     

    This will for sure take some pressure off GM as people focus on their autos that do not have a working airbag. Nothing like having 6 million autos that have exploding airbags that will not protect you. wow. :o

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    My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

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    My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

    Very Cool, I would agree that a good editorial should be done on all the recalls and a spreadsheet showing each company and the recalls would go a long way to give a bigger picture of how it is affecting everyone.

     

    I do like that GM stock is not really being affected and I think over all this is starting to become a good thing for GM to address and attack with showing a proactive approach to taking care of business and quality.

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    My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

     

    Yes, my issue is with Hypocrisy. These guys have recalled as much as GM has, yet there is no one crying river on it.

     

    Honda recalling airbags after 14 years? I want to see Blumenthal calling for a Congressional hearing for that and those victims' families standing holding signs saying "Honda is Bad."

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    Exactly, how do you recall a 2002 auto for bad airbags that explode rather than expand to protect. Amazing.

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    My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

     

    Yes, my issue is with Hypocrisy. These guys have recalled as much as GM has, yet there is no one crying river on it.

     

    Honda recalling airbags after 14 years? I want to see Blumenthal calling for a Congressional hearing for that and those victims' families standing holding signs saying "Honda is Bad."

     

     

    The bigger question... how long did Honda know about it?

     

    Honda knows about an A/C issue in all 2002 - 2007 CR-Vs, Civics, Accords, and Odyssey where the compressors grenade and the entire A/C system has to be replaced. Not being recalled... if you're out of warranty (as you most certainly are by 2014) you are SOL. 

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    My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

     

    Yes, my issue is with Hypocrisy. These guys have recalled as much as GM has, yet there is no one crying river on it.

     

    Honda recalling airbags after 14 years? I want to see Blumenthal calling for a Congressional hearing for that and those victims' families standing holding signs saying "Honda is Bad."

     

     

    The bigger question... how long did Honda know about it?

     

    Honda knows about an A/C issue in all 2002 - 2007 CR-Vs, Civics, Accords, and Odyssey where the compressors grenade and the entire A/C system has to be replaced. Not being recalled... if you're out of warranty (as you most certainly are by 2014) you are SOL. 

     

    :o WOW, I wonder not if, but when that AC system grenades if it causes damage to the engine that could cause an accident if they will deal with it then.

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    No... it is an internal grenading.  I've already had it happen to our CR-V a few summers ago. After I bitched out Honda on Twitter, I got them to "goodwill" 50% of the replacement cost. There is/was a class action lawsuit in NJ about it.

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    Very interesting, guess in this case the bean counters probably won then. Sucks they did not take care of a poor engineering product.

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