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    Mercedes-AMG to Launch 53 Line Next Year

      Will be debuting at the Detroit Auto Show

    Back in June, we reported in the rumorpile that Mercedes-AMG was planning to launch a new lineup of models with the 53 designation. These models would set themselves apart due to them being equipped with a mild-hybrid setup. The redesigned CLS-Class would be the first model to debut the 53.

    Speaking to Automotive News, Mercedes-AMG boss Tobias Moers confirmed the existence of the 53 and that the CLS would be the first. All 53 models would be powered by a higher-output variant of the new turbocharged 3.0L inline-six paired up with a 48-Volt electrical system. Moers wouldn't say how much power the 53 series will produce but hinted that the AMG variant of the inline-six would produce somewhere in the range of 400 horsepower.

    With the new 53 lineup, the CLS will lose out on having an AMG 63 model. Moers said that would be taken up by a new four-door version of the AMG GT. A concept of this model was shown earlier this year at the Geneva Motor Show.

    More information on the AMG 53 will be announced next month at the Detroit Auto Show.

    Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)



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    I know our resident MB fan SMK will come up with a reason for having more AMG, but I feel like MB has lost their focus and way by watering down the AMG line with excessive models just like MB is more of a Toyota like company with luxury  than the luxury company they used to be.

    Yes I know they always sold cheaper stuff in Europe, but for the US market, they are no longer the Luxury only auto company they used to be. Sad.

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    I love MB as well. They would easily be my first choice in luxury cars. 

    Still luxury only here. They only sell the work van here. So like 98% luxury here. Ask anybody you know if Mercedes is a luxury brand and they will say yes. That's all Mercedes cares about. They don't need they itty bitty fraction of enthusiasts who weren't in the market for their cars anyway to care. 

    If they had their whole like of trucks here, I'd agree. 

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    44 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I love MB as well. They would easily be my first choice in luxury cars. 

    Still luxury only here. They only sell the work van here. So like 98% luxury here. Ask anybody you know if Mercedes is a luxury brand and they will say yes. That's all Mercedes cares about. They don't need they itty bitty fraction of enthusiasts who weren't in the market for their cars anyway to care. 

    If they had their whole like of trucks here, I'd agree. 

    I wish I could say you are right, but in talking to coworkers in the Hightech industry. More and more are questioning the Luxury side of BMW and MB due to the rampant excessive mid to low end models running all over. You really do find a ton of them all over the streets now. Seems the brands that are truly only high end luxury and performance have changed and some are questioning if the old guard is really true luxury or not. It is a very weird area we are in. 

    Weirder yet is many say they would rather have the Luxury Tesla over MB or BMW as it is harder to get and even without the Tesla 3, more exclusive along with the performance part.

    A trend of different thinking is happening I think, at least on the west coast.

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    My Little Orphan Annie Ovaltine Secret decoder ring hasn't arrived yet... How am I supposed to decode German model names and trim lines?!?

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    6 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I know our resident MB fan SMK will come up with a reason for having more AMG, but I feel like MB has lost their focus and way by watering down the AMG line with excessive models just like MB is more of a Toyota like company with luxury  than the luxury company they used to be.

    Yes I know they always sold cheaper stuff in Europe, but for the US market, they are no longer the Luxury only auto company they used to be. Sad.

    It isn't anymore AMG than they have now, because the E43 and GLE43 type cars will be replaced with the E53 and GLE53.    This is exciting news because the 362-396 hp turbo V6 is being replaced buy a 400+ inline six hybrid.  More power, more gas mileage, smoother engine, that is a big win.  

    Will be curious if they replace the C43 with a C53, or if the 53's are only on mid-size cars.  Because they can't do an S53, the S560 is still more powerful than it.

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    16 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I wish I could say you are right, but in talking to coworkers in the Hightech industry. More and more are questioning the Luxury side of BMW and MB due to the rampant excessive mid to low end models running all over. You really do find a ton of them all over the streets now. Seems the brands that are truly only high end luxury and performance have changed and some are questioning if the old guard is really true luxury or not. It is a very weird area we are in. 

    Weirder yet is many say they would rather have the Luxury Tesla over MB or BMW as it is harder to get and even without the Tesla 3, more exclusive along with the performance part.

    A trend of different thinking is happening I think, at least on the west coast.

    So name all of their non-luxury vehicles then.. CLA and Vans? If those are the only two things taking them from luxury to non-luxury you're drunk. CLA is "meh" and we all know that. C Class and up are time after time touted for their superior interiors over their competitors and obviously they have chassis and drivelines to match so I'm missing where they are a non-luxury brand. Please elaborate on how C Class through S Class aren't luxury vehicles and (oops i just realized the GLA is also probably not truly luxurious either! So three vehicles sold in the US, not two.) GLC through GLS aren't luxurious? 

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    16 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I wish I could say you are right, but in talking to coworkers in the Hightech industry. More and more are questioning the Luxury side of BMW and MB due to the rampant excessive mid to low end models running all over.  

    A trend of different thinking is happening I think, at least on the west coast.

    Tech rich are different from mainstream/generic rich, though...tech rich tend to be very interested and knowledgable about high tech products and seek them out.  Generic rich (athletes, doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc) go more for the established prestige brands and bling like M-Bs, Bentleys, etc...

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    4 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Tech rich are different from mainstream/generic rich, though...tech rich tend to be very interested and knowledgable about high tech products and seek them out.  Generic rich (athletes, doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc) go more for the established prestige brands and bling like M-Bs, Bentleys, etc...

    Awesome and perfect point made and you're right I am biased being in a very tech centric world of Enterprise bleeding edge tech.

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    Just now, dfelt said:

    Awesome and perfect point made and you're right I am biased being in a very tech centric world of Enterprise bleeding edge tech.

    Yes..people in the tech world think differently than the normcore crowd.  I'm pretty biased also...

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    A 3.0 liter 6 that also has eAssist and only has 400hp.... doesn't sound that impressive to me.   Infiniti, GM, Ford, FCA, all have V6 engines that meet, straddle, or beat that kind of performance without eAssist. Volvo does it with a 4-cylinder and a usable EV-only range (it's also a fantastic powertrain, the only credible V8 replacement currently).

    GM's 4-cylinder hybrid has just as much torque and can also operate in EV-only mode for 30+ miles, a lot longer than the Benz can.

    So... tell me where I should be impressed again?

     

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    So name all of their non-luxury vehicles then.. CLA and Vans?  

    The Metris starts at around $25k..on of the cheapest 2 seaters on the market.  

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    Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

    I, myself, would love a Metris 63 AMG 4matic E-Hybrid Blutec...... coupe.

    Hmmm..van coupe--a new niche.   ;)

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    23 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    A 3.0 liter 6 that also has eAssist and only has 400hp.... doesn't sound that impressive to me.   Infiniti, GM, Ford, FCA, all have V6 engines that meet, straddle, or beat that kind of performance without eAssist. Volvo does it with a 4-cylinder and a usable EV-only range (it's also a fantastic powertrain, the only credible V8 replacement currently).

    GM's 4-cylinder hybrid has just as much torque and can also operate in EV-only mode for 30+ miles, a lot longer than the Benz can.

    So... tell me where I should be impressed again?

     

    Not only 400 hp, it will make more than that.  And cost too, this is way cheaper than a plug in hybrid.  This engine isn’t made to compete with hybrids this is made to compete with the 535i, the GM 3.6 twin turbo, whatever Audi V6 they are using this week.  The impressive thing is this is their regular 6 cylinder, no doubt with 2 levels of tune for use in a GLS450 and E53 for example.

    And Mercedes doesn’t red a replacement for the V8 because they offer more V8 models than any other manufacturer.  Even the GLC has a V8

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    It's going to have to make more than that since everyone else already does. Volvo is putting that kind of horsepower out with a 4-cylinder. 

    The GM 3.6 twin-turbo already has substantially more power. It has cylinder deactivation. Adding eAssist would be trivial if it was even needed.

    This new 6 isn't going to be Benz's standard engine though... they'll still be putting out 4-cylinders in the price range where you can get 6es from other companies. This non-performance 6 from Benz will probably be priced like a V-Sport from Cadillac. 

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    2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    A 3.0 liter 6 that also has eAssist and only has 400hp....

    I thought you didn't care about horsepower...? ;)

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    9 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I thought you didn't care about horsepower...? ;)

    I don't... but I have to speak in his language to make a point. 

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    3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    How many torques does this eAssist get then? 

    A similarly unimpressive (for a brand new Wow! Bang! Amazing! design)  369 lb-ft of torque.  The same as the original front-wheel drive based Cadillac XTS V-Sport (369 lb-ft starting @ 1,900 rpm) from however many years ago that was.  It's also less than the 375 lb-ft the Ford 2.7 liter makes.   Neither of them are relying on 48 volt eAssist or electric turbochargers to get there.  Both are just plain-ol direct injected turbocharged V6es. 

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    Hmmmm interesting.. I'm assuming the eAssist turbo system will help reduce lag and improve efficiency? 

    While the numbers alone aren't insanely impressive the engines themselves sure do sound it. 

    "

    The M256's two turbochargers aren't twins. One of them is an "electric auxiliary compressor" (eZV, a German acronym), which can spool up to 70,000 RPM in just 300 milliseconds.This helps negate the lag of the larger, exhaust-driven turbo. Mercedes is so confident in this twin-turbo setup, it claims that the engine has no turbo lag whatsoever. We look forward to finding out for ourselves.

    Further bringing this straight-six into the future, is the M256's 48-volt electric system. TBased around a crank-mounted electric generator, the system can provide an 18-horsepower boost, regenerate energy from braking, and power the water pump and A/C compressor. Mercedes was even able to eliminate the starter motor and belt-driven alternator, replacing them with a single starter/alternator unit to save weight and eliminate complexity. 

    ...

    A straight-six, by contrast, doesn't require any complex hardware for smooth operation, since all the cylinders are in a line. With this layout, there's no side-to-side vibrations, and at any given moment, half of the pistons are traveling up and half are traveling down, canceling out any up-down vibrations."

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Hmmmm interesting.. I'm assuming the eAssist turbo system will help reduce lag and improve efficiency? 

    Yeah, efficiency and lag reduction are the primary improvements here.  It just seems a rather expensive way to go about it. 

    I'm not at all saying that this is a poor performing engine, just that for something this new with this much tech thrown at it, I expected it to blow the competition out of the water.  It doesn't.

    The GM 3.6 in the ATS-V has cylinder deactivation and gets shockingly good fuel economy at a tame highway cruise.  It was running 34 mpg across the flatland of Wisconsin for me.   The CT6 AWD 3.0TT will do 30 mpg highway, that's pretty fantastic for a full size AWD vehicle with 400hp and 400 lb-ft of torque. So, I really wonder how much better this MB I-6 will do. 

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    I think going inline is a huge part of the equation that's getting left out. NVH should all drop with this engine over every V6. If they have a smoother engine I'd assume they could use less sound deadening to reduce weight in their vehicles as well.  

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    Just now, ccap41 said:

    I think going inline is a huge part of the equation that's getting left out. NVH should all drop with this engine over every V6. If they have a smoother engine I'd assume they could use less sound deadening to reduce weight in their vehicles as well.  

    True, going inline is a huge plus.  It has my interest for that alone. I think it is great that MB is moving back in that direction.

    Most of my posting is in response to SMK getting kool-aid spittle all over the place about how wonderful the performance of this new engine is going to be. 

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