Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Camino LS6

Sometimes I wonder

44 posts in this topic

Why I am still a GM fan.

I wonder because even some of GMs notably excellent recent efforts don't appeal to me personally.

Examples:

CTS

The Lambdas

Malibu

It's not that I think the competition is better, I simply don't care for these cars.

Then I remember:

The 900s

The Kappas

Zeta

Corvette

Still, I'm not salivating over anything which I could go buy tomorrow.

So, as my sig still says, I'm still waiting.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sometimes I wonder the same thing... The only GMs that REALLY appeal to me are the

Buick Lucerne (but only with the chrome wheels, floor shift, and black grille)

Buick Allure (but now not as much b/c of the ass ugly new front fascia, preferred the old one)

Cadillac CTS

Cadillac DTS (w/column shift)

Cadillac SRX

Chevrolet Malibu

Chevrolet Equinox

Chevrolet Impala (w. Spoiler, floor shift, and alloys)

GMC Acadia

Saab 9-5 Sedan

Saab 9-3 Convertible

Saturn Aura

It's not just GM though... there are few other cars that appeal to me at all save for the new Taurus, MKX, Taurus X, MKS

^^I guess to an extent I'm really GM Loyal:

A) Because it's been a family tradition

B) Largely because of the past GM Vehicles I've really loved which include

Dustbuster U-Bodies

88, 98, LeSabre, Bonneville, Park Avenue, Riviera and Aurora G/H Bodies

Regal, Century, 1st Gen Impala and Intrigue W-Bodies

Alero N-Body

Roadmaster and Custom Cruiser B-Bodies

Last Gen. Fleetwood

Edited by vonVeezelsnider
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not wondering, my next car will be a Cadillac CTS or CTS-V. I'm moving to Cadillac because Pontiac has lost it's soul and it's way. If Pontiac has to rely on foreign help from Australia to get back in the game I'd rather move to Cadillac which is still a real American brand, unlike Pontiac which is nothing more than a Holden clone. No thanks Pontiac, you keep your foreign car. I'll stay American, something Holden will never be and can never be, no matter how much it tries.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The choices are narrowing for me. I won't buy a Cadillac because the local dealers are one tier above rapists. I won't buy a Chevrolet because I can't bring myself to spend money on any Chevrolet regardless of what it is. This leaves the G8, Lucerne, and LaCrosse. Maybe AURA. And that wraps it up for me.

Killing Olds killed half of the most desireable of GM's potential lineup. I would've gladly chosen any Oldsmobile product over anything offered by any other division.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not wondering, my next car will be a Cadillac CTS or CTS-V. I'm moving to Cadillac because Pontiac has lost it's soul and it's way. If Pontiac has to rely on foreign help from Australia to get back in the game I'd rather move to Cadillac which is still a real American brand, unlike Pontiac which is nothing more than a Holden clone. No thanks Pontiac, you keep your foreign car. I'll stay American, something Holden will never be and can never be, no matter how much it tries.

I've said it before and I still believe it, Holden's cars are more traditionally American than the stuff built here. With very few exceptions, Holdens are the only GM cars I would truly want right now.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've said it before and I still believe it, Holden's cars are more traditionally American than the stuff built here. With very few exceptions, Holdens are the only GM cars I would truly want right now.

As I said, they will never be American cars!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As I said, they will never be American cars!

And what? Opels will? :rotflmao:

Holdens are the only ones with even the right configuration for me. (excepting Vette/Kappa)

And did you put that rolling obscenity in your sig just to tick me off?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As I said, they will never be American cars!

So? They are still GMs...and Pontiac only has one Holden..they also have a Toyota-based product, a Chevy based product, etc..

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And did you put that rolling obscenity in your sig just to tick me off?

Some sort of retro Studebaker with 1993 Grand Prix grille pieces??

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not wondering, my next car will be a Cadillac CTS or CTS-V. I'm moving to Cadillac because Pontiac has lost it's soul and it's way. If Pontiac has to rely on foreign help from Australia to get back in the game I'd rather move to Cadillac which is still a real American brand, unlike Pontiac which is nothing more than a Holden clone. No thanks Pontiac, you keep your foreign car. I'll stay American, something Holden will never be and can never be, no matter how much it tries.

What happens if/when Pontiac simply uses what is essentially Holden's platform (Zeta or Alpha) and builds a car designed and built in North America? Does this make it acceptable or American enough?

As for me, there is not a whole lot, I guess. There are quite a few vehicles I would purchase if I had the money and was looking for a vehicle in that segment.

If I wanted a truck, it'd probably be a Sierra. A 7-seat SUV, Tahoe or Suburban (or Escalade/ESV). A 7-seat crossover, Acadia or Enclave or SRX (depending on how important that third row is). 5-seat compact crossover, the Vue. Compact car could quite possibly be an Astra. Midsize luxury sedan, probably the CTS. Sports car, the Z06. Family sedan, probably the G8. Roadster, a Sky Red Line (or Vette convert). And the list goes on beyond that, probably. However, cars I would actually drive myself: Maybe the CTS, maybe the G8, definitely the Corvette if I could afford it, and probably the Sky Red Line. There's nothing from GM has 2-doors, 4-seats (or 5), a nice interior, great handling, lots of power, etc., as the GTO does. Not one car.

I guess if I absolutely HAD to get a new car and it HAD to be a GM, I'd get the Sky Red Line (Corvette is not very affordable to me). If I couldn't deal with absolutely no trunk (the GTO's is already very small, but at least I can throw 2-3 golf bags in it) and still couldn't afford a Corvette, either the G8 or CTS.

The only cars that are on the market that really would suit my wants are the Mustang and soon the Challenger. The G37 would probably qualify as well. A 335Ci would also be awesome, but that's more expensive. Aside from other luxury makes, I can't really think of anything else that's on the market that has 2-doors, 4 or more seats, and is powerful and handles well. You have sport compacts like the Cobalt SS, but that's not what I want.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

GM right now has a few cars that appeal to me...the new CTS and the G8 are cars I would seriously consider... I also like the Kappas, the Enclave, and the Corvette...

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some sort of retro Studebaker with 1993 Grand Prix grille pieces??

It's a hideous kit car called a "Studemino", which means some poor El Camino gave its life to create the thing.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's a hideous kit car called a "Studemino", which means some poor El Camino gave its life to create the thing.

What amazes me is that there are people that find such nonsense cool or attractive...

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And what? Opels will? :rotflmao:

Holdens are the only ones with even the right configuration for me. (excepting Vette/Kappa)

And did you put that rolling obscenity in your sig just to tick me off?

No Opel is Opel and doesn't pretend to be anything else. In this regard I have more respect for Saturn, than Pontiac. At least Saturn says it wants to be the Opel of America. As for Pontiac, they are trying to hoodwink the American public by saying look at me, I have an American sedan I want you to buy with V8 power and RWD, and nothing could be further from the truth, it's a foreign car plain and simple. I consider them more foreign than Opel, since Australia is a Pacific Rim country. I also don't know why you're bringing up Opel, I don't work for them any longer. I work for GM Europe under Chevrolet, you may have heard It's becoming GM's world brand. :AH-HA_wink:

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because in another thread you predict the end of Pontiac and say not to worry because you will be bringing us Opels!

'sides, at least Holdens have American drivetrains.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because in another thread you predict the end of Pontiac and say not to worry because you will be bringing us Opels!

'sides, at least Holdens have American drivetrains.

Pontiac will die, time will prove that out, as for the American drivetrains, grasping for straws now are we? :smilewide:

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I pondered on this one too. GM pushed me out totally after killing Oldsmobile and not having anything like a Ninety Eight or Toronado any longer. They killed Oldsmobile, but have not filled that void. GM put me in the position to buy what I bought. I can say nothing really appeals to me because the only car that is close to what I have is a Lincoln Town Car. If I was a Ford man, I am sure a Lincoln Town Car and a Lincoln Mark VIII would be in my driveway. Buicks fall short for me. They are missing something. The Enclave has that "something". The Lucerne CXL or CX is not even in the neighborhood. The DTS has the right stuff, wrong headlight configuration. Plus the Cadillac draws too much unwanted attention. I do like the Holden Caprice/Statesman.

I guess I prefer GM because of the quality, the feeling they give me and the times they saved me in accidents.

The last new GM that was in my eye sight was Oldsmobile Bravada and Bonneville GXP and SLE. When they started using Oldsmobile parts, they became appealing. I could not get the configuration I wanted in a Bonneville.

I guess I will keep my two cars running as I have planned to do.

Maybe GM will fill the voids they are missing. They have dropped models, and are working on images and segments, but they are still missing that something. I sometimes look at Aura from the back and see Oldsmobile and wonder what if...

I just get so tired of everything having bucket seats, analog gauges( boring as hell to look at) spoilers on the trunk, seat controls on the side of the seat instead of on the door where they below and that tired old six window design Impala has. Not everything has to be and look sporty to have some style.

The CTS looks nice. I will admit that. I have seen several lately. I wonder when I see that what would that look like on a larger scale with a bench seat and different interior?

Just a thought..

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because in another thread you predict the end of Pontiac and say not to worry because you will be bringing us Opels!

'sides, at least Holdens have American drivetrains.

It's pointless to argue with him...he has his own twisted agenda and world view.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Pontiac will die, time will prove that out, as for the American drivetrains, grasping for straws now are we? :smilewide:

The G8 has basically a modified LS2 that's detuned and has AFM, and the 3.6 from GMNA. Sure it's called "Alloytec," but it was developed here and renamed there. The G8 GXP is coming and I assume it's going to have the LS3. The GTO had the LS1 and LS2. What's not American about them?

Since I assume you missed my post earlier:

What happens if/when Pontiac simply uses what is essentially Holden's platform (Zeta or Alpha) and builds a car designed and built in North America? Does this make it acceptable or American enough?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Pontiac will die, time will prove that out, as for the American drivetrains, grasping for straws now are we? :smilewide:

Not at all. Holdens also have a distinctly American style which is far truer than the FWD foreign wannabe stuff GM builds here.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All GM has to do is start building the equivalent to Holden's VEs here and I'd be happy to buy at least one. Meantime, they have nothing for me.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I pondered on this one too. GM pushed me out totally after killing Oldsmobile and not having anything like a Ninety Eight or Toronado any longer. They killed Oldsmobile, but have not filled that void. GM put me in the position to buy what I bought. I can say nothing really appeals to me because the only car that is close to what I have is a Lincoln Town Car. If I was a Ford man, I am sure a Lincoln Town Car and a Lincoln Mark VIII would be in my driveway. Buicks fall short for me. They are missing something. The Enclave has that "something". The Lucerne CXL or CX is not even in the neighborhood. The DTS has the right stuff, wrong headlight configuration. Plus the Cadillac draws too much unwanted attention. I do like the Holden Caprice/Statesman.

I guess I prefer GM because of the quality, the feeling they give me and the times they saved me in accidents.

The last new GM that was in my eye sight was Oldsmobile Bravada and Bonneville GXP and SLE. When they started using Oldsmobile parts, they became appealing. I could not get the configuration I wanted in a Bonneville.

I guess I will keep my two cars running as I have planned to do.

Maybe GM will fill the voids they are missing. They have dropped models, and are working on images and segments, but they are still missing that something. I sometimes look at Aura from the back and see Oldsmobile and wonder what if...

I just get so tired of everything having bucket seats, analog gauges( boring as hell to look at) spoilers on the trunk, seat controls on the side of the seat instead of on the door where they below and that tired old six window design Impala has. Not everything has to be and look sporty to have some style.

The CTS looks nice. I will admit that. I have seen several lately. I wonder when I see that what would that look like on a larger scale with a bench seat and different interior?

Just a thought..

Unfortunately I don't see those desires of yours appearing in any product anytime in the future. The market has simply moved away from bench seats, column shifters, floaty ride, and so on. It is too bad that they don't really offer something for buyers like you, because there is a market for it, but I'm willing to bet that its small and shrinking so they don't feel there's a point to it, which is ashame.

For me, there is:

Camaro

CTS

Sierra

Sky

9-3

Corvette

G8

Lambdas

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All GM has to do is start building the equivalent to Holden's VEs here and I'd be happy to buy at least one. Meantime, they have nothing for me.

America will appreciate your business, in the meantime I will submit "Distinctly American style" to GM Marketing, it's slightly better than, "Geez, I could have had a G8!" :AH-HA_wink:

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Your content will need to be approved by a moderator

Guest
You are commenting as a guest. If you have an account, please sign in.
Reply to this topic...

×   You have pasted content with formatting.   Remove formatting

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0