TOYOTA=LIARS

[regfootball]

for one, the prius not making near the mpg it advertises. two, for toyota claiming the Camry to make about 20hp more than the actual SAE certified test showed it made. post your blatant toyota lies here. Toyota=mislead folks intentionally Edited October 17, 2005 by regfootball

[Nick]

As far as the prius goes...I drove a prius in town and I was heavy on the pedal and I still averaged around 46 mpg...my friend's aunt is a toyota salesperson and she owns one...I was talking to her about it and she let me drive it...she was saying the biggest reason a lot of people don't get the right mpg figures is when the cars first come to the states there is a certain calibration they need to have done to them (which can be changed through the OBC)...another reason (which I thought was lame, but whatever) is you have to be taught how to drive the prius the right way...you can't drive it like a normal car...but I drove it normally and like i said, I was pulling off 46mpg average through town...

[pow]

Hey, at least they converted all their horsepower figures in accordance to the new SAE guidelines. GM only changed the ones to their favor, I believe. But, yeah, 210 to 190 hp is a huge difference.

[Flybrian]

Hey, at least they converted all their horsepower figures in accordance to the new SAE guidelines. GM only changed the ones to their favor, I believe. But, yeah, 210 to 190 hp is a huge difference.

[post="29865"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

No, don't try that. They're changing them. I believe they're letting older models run out on the old standards just as Nissan and a few others are doing and intro'ing new cars on the new SAE ratings.

As far as a Toyota lie, I can point out one Polish_Kris shared about the lower hp ratings as given by a Toyota representative - that Toyota is lowering horsepower in light of increased fuel prices, which is 100% BS on part of the rep, but not necessarily Toyota as a whole.

[regfootball]

No, don't try that. They're changing them. I believe they're letting older models run out on the old standards just as Nissan and a few others are doing and intro'ing new cars on the new SAE ratings.

As far as a Toyota lie, I can point out one Polish_Kris shared about the lower hp ratings as given by a Toyota representative - that Toyota is lowering horsepower in light of increased fuel prices, which is 100% BS on part of the rep, but not necessarily Toyota as a whole.

[post="29866"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

they will twist the story to whatever fits them, in other words?

[regfootball]

5 horsepower, I can live with, but like 20? NO WAY. The Accord and TL had the same thing going on too didn't they?

[regfootball]

I heard the Thompson Twins were singing Toyota's new theme song these days.... LIES LIES LIES, YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! (repeat chorus x2)

[Guest Josh]

Their latest commercial pisses me off. "If you think everybody is driving a Toyota lately.......you're right."

[Flybrian]

5 horsepower, I can live with, but like 20?  NO WAY.  The Accord and TL had the same thing going on too didn't they?

[post="29875"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Again, the drop/increase is not a result of actual power being lost, just the figure being changed. The impact comes when a non-standard measurement is used to make a car look more powerful than one measured with the standard. For example, a 268-hp Avalon isn't as 'powerful' as the 280-hp Avalon to the general public.

Its like saying telling a Canadian you paid $35,000 for a CTS without specifying it was American dollars.

BTW, Reg, are you like huffing aerosols tonight?

[pow]

No, don't try that. They're changing them. I believe they're letting older models run out on the old standards just as Nissan and a few others are doing and intro'ing new cars on the new SAE ratings.

[post="29866"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

All manufacturers are required to abide by the new SAE standards for new or redesigned engines. Honda and Toyota, on the other hand, retested all their engines, old or new.

(Eww, I sound like an import {insert expletive here}.)

[regfootball]

Their latest commercial pisses me off.

"If you think everybody is driving a Toyota lately.......you're right."

[post="29879"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

that kind of rampant pomposity is what led me to start this thread........its time to expose Toyota for what it is......

that new Civic commercial, that new one, really is pompous also. Edited October 17, 2005 by regfootball

[Cory Wolfe]

How about their new commercial for their hybrids? :rolleyes:

[regfootball]

Again, the drop/increase is not a result of actual power being lost, just the figure being changed. The impact comes when a non-standard measurement is used to make a car look more powerful than one measured with the standard. For example, a 268-hp Avalon isn't as 'powerful' as the 280-hp Avalon to the general public.

Its like saying telling a Canadian you paid $35,000 for a CTS without specifying it was American dollars.

BTW, Reg, are you like huffing aerosols tonight?

[post="29883"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

funny you mention that, i was cleaning our master bath about an hour ago and it has really piss poor ventilation, even with the exhaust fan on. My eyes are still burning from the windex and bath cleaner fumes. Maybe I got high, too.

I dunno, I just HATE toyota lately, but what sends me over the edge is their pretentious advertising, and their manipulation of media and data. I also hate the mindless sheep that fork over huge coin to the boring toyotas of the world, without driving anything else in comparison (besides a Honda or Subaru).

I am neither hugely for or against GM, so I am not biased and simply call them as I see em. This holier than thou relentless beating us into thinking they are Godx2 is getting OVERBOARD. I am sensing a backlash someday, but when? Edited October 17, 2005 by regfootball

[Flybrian]

I dunno, I just HATE toyota lately, but what sends me over the edge is their pretentious advertising, and their manipulation of media and data.

[post="29891"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

That, and you've been huffing aerosols.

Toyota's trying to get you, man. Look outside right now. I bet there's a black Avalon in your driveway. Quick!

[pow]

5 horsepower, I can live with, but like 20?  NO WAY.  The Accord and TL had the same thing going on too didn't they?

[post="29875"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

The Accord V6 (Odyssey and Pilot, too) horsepower went from 240 to 244, while the Accord I4 (Element and CR-V, too) horsepower went from 160 to 156. TL went from 270 to 258.

Edit: Nevermind, the Accord I4 got a new engine for '06. It's now 166 horsepower. The Element and CR-V continue with the old engine. Edited October 17, 2005 by empowah

[regfootball]

That, and you've been huffing aerosols.

Toyota's trying to get you, man. Look outside right now. I bet there's a black Avalon in your driveway. Quick!

[post="29892"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Jeeses, I musta traded my GALANT GTS for it!

[Guest Josh]

All manufacturers are required to abide by the new SAE standards for new or redesigned engines. Honda and Toyota, on the other hand, retested all their engines, old or new.

[post="29884"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

No company is required to test under the SAW standards. However, most have chose to. Toyota and the rest of the Asians have only tested engines on a first come, first serve basis. Meaning, new motors. Their older engines powering cars now, they've left unscaved.

[pow]

No company is required to test under the SAW standards. However, most have chose to. Toyota and the rest of the Asians have only tested engines on a first come, first serve basis. Meaning, new motors. Their older engines powering cars now, they've left unscaved.

[post="29898"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

No, the lame-duck engines were retested, thus the drop in horsepower.

[daves87rs]

Their latest commercial pisses me off.

"If you think everybody is driving a Toyota lately.......you're right."

[post="29879"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Yeah. I saw that too, and it annoyed the heck out of me.

Then I though, no I don't. Unless I worked at the dealership..... :lol:

[Guest Josh]

No, the lame-duck engines were retested, thus the drop in horsepower.

[post="29901"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

If I recall correctly there was a post here on C&G quoting Toyota that their current engines would not be retested, but future powertrains would be.

[pow]

I dunno, I just HATE toyota lately, but what sends me over the edge is their pretentious advertising, and their manipulation of media and data.  I also hate the mindless sheep that fork over huge coin to the boring toyotas of the world, without driving anything else in comparison (besides a Honda ro Subaru).

I am neither hugely for or against GM, so I am not biased and simply call them as I see em.  This holier than thou relentless beating us into thinking they are Godx2 is getting OVERBOARD.  I am sensing a backlash someday, but when?

[post="29891"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I've been, too, primarily because single Prius drivers are hogging up our carpool lanes. Every time I see a yellow HOV sticker I get upset.

[daves87rs]

How about their new commercial for their hybrids? :rolleyes:

[post="29888"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

yeah, that one is pretty bad ...

[daves87rs]

As far as the prius goes...I drove a prius in town and I was heavy on the pedal and I still averaged around 46 mpg...my friend's aunt is a toyota salesperson and she owns one...I was talking to her about it and she let me drive it...she was saying the biggest reason a lot of people don't get the right mpg figures is when the cars first come to the states there is a certain calibration they need to have done to them (which can be changed through the OBC)...another reason (which I thought was lame, but whatever) is you have to be taught how to drive the prius the right way...you can't drive it like a normal car...but I drove it normally and like i said, I was pulling off 46mpg average through town...

[post="29861"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

that's what I heard too..A co-worker' dad has one...

I think his dad put it best "This would have been fine,had this thing not cost so
much."

[regfootball]

that's what I heard too..A co-worker' dad has one...

I think his dad put it best "This would have been fine,had this thing not cost so
much."

[post="29915"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

most folks would be better off pocketing the 10 grand and getting a base 4 cylinder malibu, which can often top 35mpg from what I've heard in multiple sources.

[regfootball]

people are so desperate these days to 'make a statement' or 'be a part of something revolutionary' or 'in with the right crowd'. Its like people will feel unloved or will descend to loser status if they don't buy the right car. And Toyota is appealing to all of our human insecurities in a masterful way. Yes, I know their cars don't break down a hellofalot, but there are more reaons than that now for why everyone drinks their coolaid. Maybe I am more upset about how very few of our citizens in the USA today can think of themselves anymore in light of all this image consciousness and relentless bombardment of marketing and half baked media and journalism at every turn in our lives. Edited October 17, 2005 by regfootball