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Astra test drive

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I'll keep it brief. I really wanted to love this car, but came out underwhelmed. I drove a silver 3-door automatic with premium audio and performance tires. I had no problem with the car having "only" 138hp, but the automatic seemed very slow to react, the stick is a must for this car. The tires did surprisingly well in the ice/slush that was just about everywhere, I'm sure all-season rubber would have done better. The infamous cupholder that everyone seems to bitch about seems like a non-issue, a sing, good sized cupholder between the seats would work just fine for most people, it is far back there, but not a hassle to access and is low enough that even with the stick you're not going to knock your drink over with your elbow. Speaking of elbows, I hate cars that dont have armrests. Its not so much the place to rest my arm, its the storage thats useful. This car has very little interior storage, other than the decent sized glovebox. Outward visibility is an absolute bitch (on the 3-door, the 5-door is just fine) and access to the rear seat is tight. The trunk seems to be of a useful shape and size.

Verdict: A nice car, for sure, but for just under $21,000? Nope.

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I think they're introducing a dealer option armrest soon, though some early buyers are getting them from sellers in europe.

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no compact is worth 21k. no civic, no mazda 3. except maybe the GTI or mspeed. civic should be a 15k car.

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Yep, the days of the $9,995 AC/auto Cavalier are long gone.

I didn't dislike the Astra, it just needs some tweaking.

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Yep, the days of the $9,995 AC/auto Cavalier are long gone.

I didn't dislike the Astra, it just needs some tweaking.

Keep in mind people in NA get the car pretty far ahead in its life cycle, so having high expectations can end in disappointment. Let's see if the DeltaII Astra makes it to the US from day one. I hope it does.

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I'm going to go back to Saturn of Lexington and drive that black 3-door I looked at ... :scratchchin:

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I'm going to go back to Saturn of Lexington and drive that black 3-door I looked at ... :scratchchin:

MMMM, I love the smell of waffles in the morning. Yeah, yeah, I know it's not you, it's your zodiac sign! :rotflmao: I'd say more like your wallet! :smilewide: It's OK you won't be the only one that eats waffles! :AH-HA_wink:

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The Volkswagen Rabbit is a better buy. You get 170 hp/170 lbs torque, along with a long list of standard features, for $15,600. The 3-door Asstra starts at $18,495, and yes, I also noticed looking over my shoulder from the driver's seat to try to see something out the back of the car is like looking into a cave, you cannot see much.
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MMMM, I love the smell of waffles in the morning. Yeah, yeah, I know it's not you, it's your zodiac sign! :rotflmao: I'd say more like your wallet! :smilewide: It's OK you won't be the only one that eats waffles! :AH-HA_wink:

Calm down, calm down. I can hear you stain the fly and soil the seat of your Levis all the way over here. :smilewide:

Don't be sure it's my wallet speaking, by the way. :AH-HA_wink:

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Keep in mind people in NA get the car pretty far ahead in its life cycle, so having high expectations can end in disappointment. Let's see if the DeltaII Astra makes it to the US from day one. I hope it does.

Nope, but there will only be a short delay.

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Calm down, calm down. I can hear you stain the fly and soil the seat of your Levis all the way over here. :smilewide:

Don't be sure it's my wallet speaking, by the way. :AH-HA_wink:

Trust me I don't think about you in that way, however when you do buy your Opel FWD, Oops I mean Saturn, I'll see if I can get a thank you card sent to you, initialed by both CPF und PCS, truly a collector's item. :AH-HA_wink:

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Trust me I don't think about you in that way, however when you do buy your Opel FWD, Oops I mean Saturn, I'll see if I can get a thank you card sent to you, initialed by both CPF und PCS, truly a collector's item. :AH-HA_wink:

:rotflmao:

You just have to love Borger's sense of humor.

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no compact is worth 21k. no civic, no mazda 3. except maybe the GTI or mspeed. civic should be a 15k car.

This is why the US gets so few quality C-segment machines. Since Americans generally have the "small = cheap" psyche (with one or two exceptions), then all that will happen is domestic manufacturers producing sap (Cobalt, Ion), European and Japanese marques dumbing down products (original Focus, Lancer to some extent, and now Astra) and the Koreans flooding the US market with cars the rest of the world doesn't want.

There'll be few C-segment cars for the US-market with the same materials/equipment standards the Europeans and Japanese take for granted for less than $20-21K.

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The Volkswagen Rabbit is a better buy. You get 170 hp/170 lbs torque, along with a long list of standard features, for $15,600. The 3-door Asstra starts at $18,495, and yes, I also noticed looking over my shoulder from the driver's seat to try to see something out the back of the car is like looking into a cave, you cannot see much.

You also get that awful 2.5 litre 5-cylinder lump that gets poor fuel economy and which VW has the sense not to bother peddling to anyone else on earth.

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no compact is worth 21k. no civic, no mazda 3. except maybe the GTI or mspeed. civic should be a 15k car.

Try paying $18k for a base Cobalt or Civic and $23k for a Cobalt 2.4 or $26k for the Si. Canadians are getting a little tired of paying .65 prices when our dollar is above par. <_<

Sure, in my market, most people lease and our lease payments are competitive, but all the manufacturers here have to lower their stickers and stop playing games with cash credits, zero financing, etc.

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This is why the US gets so few quality C-segment machines. Since Americans generally have the "small = cheap" psyche (with one or two exceptions), then all that will happen is domestic manufacturers producing sap (Cobalt, Ion), European and Japanese marques dumbing down products (original Focus, Lancer to some extent, and now Astra) and the Koreans flooding the US market with cars the rest of the world doesn't want.

There'll be few C-segment cars for the US-market with the same materials/equipment standards the Europeans and Japanese take for granted for less than $20-21K.

BECAUSE AMERICANS DO NOT WANT SMALL CARS

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I think, even with the weaker 1.8L engine, I'd still take an Astra XR 3-door over a Cobalt Sport (former SS) Coupe.

There's really not alot anymore to compete with it. I like the Rabbit and it's torquey 2.5L engine (yes I've driven it) and I think if I was to buy something like this, it would be a close race between a Rabbit and the Astra 3-door.

Civic Si would appeal to me.....but you are moving up in price a bit.....you can get a well-equipped (fully-loaded?) stick-shift Rabbit or Astra for around $20K.

I fell in love with the '02 Focus SVT that I had for about a year.....and would love to see a spiritual replacement for it. GTIs are close to the mark, but a bit too expensive now to compete in that "affordable" hot-hatch class.

(edit: Actually if you are deft with your utilization of VW's "build to own" you can build a Rabbit with the 170hp 2.5L engine, 5-speed manual, and hot-looking 18-inch wheels and tires with a not-overly-cheesy optional bodykit. It's not a bad alternative.)

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BECAUSE AMERICANS DO NOT WANT SMALL CARS

Then you've absolutely no reason to bitch about escalating energy prices. It's far better to be part of the solution than to be part of the problem.

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the solution is to use techonolgy to make what we want to drive more efficient.

to drive something you don't want or can't use is wasteful.

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There are lots of fun cars to drive that get better than 30 mpg. Just not here. Nobody is a bigger fan of gas guzzling, RWD Detroit iron than me, but when it came time to actually buy a car last year, none of the gas guzzlers were in the running. I know were the price of gas is heading, and I don't want to spend half my monthly income just to get to work. A mass of 4,000 lbs is never going to attain 50 mpg, that just a fact of physics. With the direction that engine computers, high energy ignitions, direct injection and the effeciencies of transmissions are going, I believe we will have decent, family sedans that will seat 5 and get 35+ mpg and won't take 20 minutes to get to 60 mph. But they are going to have to shed mass, too.

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Exactly. Like I said in another thread, all GM needs to do is put some of the majic from the CTS, Solstice, Malibu, etc. into a really killer small car. The Astra is an enormous step in the right direction.

Chris

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the solution is to use techonolgy to make what we want to drive more efficient.

to drive something you don't want or can't use is wasteful.

When you end up paying $6/gallon and more, I think you'll find your comments to be somewhat meaningless.

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OHMYGOD GLOOM AND DOOM GLOOM AND DOOM

besides, when mpg goes up, so will the price of gas. we are getting charged for gas what exxon thinks we will pay. once price resistance is met, watch it go back down. this is all about exxon etc. maximizing profit. once GWB exits office, watch the price drop too. Heck, right before the election, we will see prices drop so that issue is less in the minds of voters.

if exxon figures it can only get 500 bucks a month out of people's pocketbooks before demand suffers, then that is where the price will be (assuming the feds dont add more taxes). If exxon thought they would be able to get 800/mo out of Joe Average's checkbook a month, they would be trying to do that right now.

If 1/2 our country starts driving Prius, then heck yeah gas will go up to 6 bucks. maybe more.

and families still will not want to have small family cars. small cars work for singles. you won't see family of four driving around in cobalts en masse. they will let their legislators know about it and when votes are threatened, phone calls will be made, and wham prices will moderate to a level that does not break people's backs.

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OHMYGOD GLOOM AND DOOM GLOOM AND DOOM

besides, when mpg goes up, so will the price of gas. we are getting charged for gas what exxon thinks we will pay. once price resistance is met, watch it go back down. this is all about exxon etc. maximizing profit. once GWB exits office, watch the price drop too. Heck, right before the election, we will see prices drop so that issue is less in the minds of voters.

if exxon figures it can only get 500 bucks a month out of people's pocketbooks before demand suffers, then that is where the price will be (assuming the feds dont add more taxes). If exxon thought they would be able to get 800/mo out of Joe Average's checkbook a month, they would be trying to do that right now.

If 1/2 our country starts driving Prius, then heck yeah gas will go up to 6 bucks. maybe more.

and families still will not want to have small family cars. small cars work for singles. you won't see family of four driving around in cobalts en masse. they will let their legislators know about it and when votes are threatened, phone calls will be made, and wham prices will moderate to a level that does not break people's backs.

All fine and dandy, except you're missing one pretty significant issue - supply and demand. Emerging economies such as India and China are creating soaring global demand while the rate at which accessible new reserves are being located is in decline. This spells an ongoing upward trend.

If the rest of the world can deal with many families driving around in fuel-efficient Cobalt sized vehicles en masse, then so can Americans. If they can't, they deserve to pay extra than the rest of the world for that privilege.

The choice is yours. Acting like a pillock about it though will get you nowhere.

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