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I just noticed something strange yesterday. My local GMC-Pontiac-Buick store and the Cadillac-Hummer (no Saab) store are owned by the same dealer but in different locations about a mile apart. They have just combined all 5 franchises into the older GMC-Pontiac-Buick lot (which sits right next to a successful Lexus dealer). A Volkswagen dealer will move into the former Cadillac-Hummer property next to the Infiniti store (which is also owned by the GM dealer). The pylon sign hasn't been changed yet, but the dealer has put up crummy "Cadillac" and "Hummer" block letter signs. "Oldsmobile" can still be read on the window as you walk into the showroom.

Now, I live in an upscale Southern California city of over 200,000 residents where, during the height of the housing bubble, it seems everyone was driving around in a blinged out Escalade, Suburban, Tahoe or Yukon (if not a BMW or Mercedes where they're stocked on huge lots and sold like Chevies for crying out loud - it's embarrassing). This seems like a bad sign of things to come if the dealer isn't putting capital investment into his Cadillac location.

What's happening in your town?

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The (evil) Chevy/Mercedes-Benz dealership is owned by the same company that owns the Toyota/Lexus/BMW (formerly had Porsche as well) dealership. The lots are on the opposite sides of town. There is another (non-evil) Chevy dealer a few miles away. 2 of the 3 Ford dealerships within 20 miles of me are Ford only, the other one is F/L/M but only recently picked up Lincoln and Mercury, after the Lincoln/Merc/Jeep dealership closed. Jeep was picked up by the Chrysler/Nissan dealership that also owns the Kia dealership thats up the block. The Saturn and Acura dealers are owned by the same group. I dont know who owns the Dodge dealership, buts its a cramped lot wedged in between a TV station and a residential area on the "poor" side of town. We haven;t had much movement in terms of new car lots, but used lots are popping up and shutting down every other week. Buy-here, pay-here lots are everywhere.

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I'd say it means nothing really...

My hometown P/B/GMC dealer added Caddy and Saab about 2 years ago.

I'd almost be in favor of a "GM store" set up in some areas...

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If I lived in a rural area I'd agree with you. But this is a highly populated, well-to-do suburban city. So, where formerly we had Cadillac in its own modern location, now it will share shelf space with GMC trucks in one of the city's oldest properties right next to the booming, modern Lexus property. The contrast is hard to ignore.

I'd say it means nothing really...

My hometown P/B/GMC dealer added Caddy and Saab about 2 years ago.

I'd almost be in favor of a "GM store" set up in some areas...

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I completely forgot about our Cadillac/Pontiac/GMC/SAAB dealership picking Buick up about a year ago. Buick had been part of Buick/Isuzu/Infiniti, but Buick left for C/P/G/S and Isuzu just dissolved, leaving Infiniti by itself.

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If I lived in a rural area I'd agree with you. But this is a highly populated, well-to-do suburban city. So, where formerly we had Cadillac in its own modern location, now it will share shelf space with GMC trucks in one of the city's oldest properties right next to the booming, modern Lexus property. The contrast is hard to ignore.

I agree, especially in places like where you live, Cadillac should have it's own more premium dealership.

Why not have a Cadillac/Saab/Buick type dealership? They're all technically premium brands, so you could have multiple brands in a premium environment.

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Sign of the times, I guess...

Everything else is going to hell, so why not the dealership base too?

I'm sure the dealers will start 'selling out' in droves. They're like the government, they go where the money is. Doesn't matter that this industry helped 99% of them build their family fortunes.

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Well we have 12 GM Dealers in the metro area here, most people who own a Chev/Cadillac Dealer here also own a PBG Dealer (Jack Carter Chev/Cadillac owns Northland Pontiac, GSL Chev City owns three other GM dealers- two in Edmonton and one on 200St in Langley BC), but there's very little cross brand ownership up here. The GM Dealer owners mostly stick to their own brands.

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Buick and Cadillac together make a lot of sense if Cadillac keeps going in the CTS direction. Buick=plush, Cadillac=sport, both premium. Unfortunately, there's not enough capital in the world, literally, to make that happen. It might cost $100B and the ROI would be low. Unfortunately, we're going to have to live and die by what we have now.

I agree, especially in places like where you live, Cadillac should have it's own more premium dealership.

Why not have a Cadillac/Saab/Buick type dealership? They're all technically premium brands, so you could have multiple brands in a premium environment.

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I agree, especially in places like where you live, Cadillac should have it's own more premium dealership.

Why not have a Cadillac/Saab/Buick type dealership? They're all technically premium brands, so you could have multiple brands in a premium environment.

Kimura this is a wonderful idea...I really like it!

Posts like this are what keep me coming back to C and G and give me hope...and I'm not being sarcstic. This is the kind of clear, simple, logical thinking that GM needs badly right now.

Chris :iroc-dragster:

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Unfortunately, there is no incentive to investing in GM or Chrysler dealerships...there hasn't been for about 18 months or so.

There are multi-channel GM & Alpha program dealers that got BBQ'ed in those deals recently. There are simply too many dealers & an innate inability to make money with new cars from these two--and Ford is only better by comparison.

Most dealers aren't making money right now. Capital improvements will slow to a crawl until things really clear up, economically.

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ok well theres been a lot of activity in my area...

1 ford dealership closed and nissan moved into that building

Audi moved next to the VW Dealership and opened a mazda dealership at the old audi location so now they have Palisades Audi, VW, Volvo and Mazda

Toyota used to be in whats now the VW building but now they have a massive shiny new place down the street

The former Pontiac/GMC/Caddy store now has Buick as well and they have bought out the lots around them, next door is Chrysler Jeep Dodge...Hyundai used to be there until building its own place down the street, next to that is ford which also now has lincoln/mercury, across the street is mercedes and honda is down the street both have the same owners

down where my dealership was b4 it closed RIP we had Pontiac/GMC/Isuzu...we lost isuzu when it pulled out of the us market...we were supposed to get the caddy/buick franchises due to the current place down the street closing down...well long story short a chevy/hummer dealer in the area was forced by gm to build a $5 mil separate building for Hummer and then a year later hummer and the whole market tanked...needless to say they were pissed so in order to smooth things over gm allowed them to re-open a closed pontiac gmc store RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM US...then the death blow to our dealership is when GM also gave them caddy/buick and left us with nothing...the dodge dealership in the area closed and that property as well as our property was bought by the prestige auto group for their new BMW and Mercedes buildings (funny how the expensive brands are doing GREAT around here) prestige also recently built a new lexus store and a mini store...so yeah its been crazy here to say the least

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Buick and Cadillac together make a lot of sense if Cadillac keeps going in the CTS direction. Buick=plush, Cadillac=sport, both premium. Unfortunately, there's not enough capital in the world, literally, to make that happen. It might cost $100B and the ROI would be low. Unfortunately, we're going to have to live and die by what we have now.

That, sadly, is is the problem. It's a nice thought though. Of course GM could have done that sort of thing when they were dealer shuffling a few years back to make the PBG dealerships.

Kimura this is a wonderful idea...I really like it!

Posts like this are what keep me coming back to C and G and give me hope...and I'm not being sarcstic. This is the kind of clear, simple, logical thinking that GM needs badly right now.

Chris :iroc-dragster:

I do what I can :D

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Since we're talking about dealers/closing I really miss my city's Dodge Dealership. The building wasn't pretty and the showroom was only big enough for 4 cars, but they had the best service and sales people. Helpful, genuinely friendly, and honest. I started going to the Chrysler/Jeep dealership which has since picked up Dodge in the wake of Tom Manzi closing it's doors...it's a nicer, larger place but it's just not the same. It's no fun talking to the sales guys...to me their friendliness feels forced and they don't really seem to want to just strike conversation. Sad times, if only I could have bought a car from them before they closed. :(

Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

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We used to have two GM dealerships about a block apart in my hometown of about 5,000. One was a Buick-Pontiac-Olds dealership and the other was a Chevy-Cadillac-GMC. Sometime in the late 90s the CCG dealer bought the BOP, and now the guy that owns our Ford-Lincoln-Mercury dealership has bought the GM dealership. So the GM dealership will be moving from a small downtown lot to a big lot with a new building out on the highway (right next to the Ford dealership). And across the highway is the Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep dealer.

At least, this is what was said a year ago. No earth has been moved, so I'm guessing that they are holding off until things stabilize in the car market.

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Your town sounds like mine: Mercedes and BMW have the newest, nicest facilities. Toyota has a very nice one too including a 3-story parking garage for its inventory. Meanwhile GM plays musical chairs...

ok well theres been a lot of activity in my area...

1 ford dealership closed and nissan moved into that building

Audi moved next to the VW Dealership and opened a mazda dealership at the old audi location so now they have Palisades Audi, VW, Volvo and Mazda

Toyota used to be in whats now the VW building but now they have a massive shiny new place down the street

The former Pontiac/GMC/Caddy store now has Buick as well and they have bought out the lots around them, next door is Chrysler Jeep Dodge...Hyundai used to be there until building its own place down the street, next to that is ford which also now has lincoln/mercury, across the street is mercedes and honda is down the street both have the same owners

down where my dealership was b4 it closed RIP we had Pontiac/GMC/Isuzu...we lost isuzu when it pulled out of the us market...we were supposed to get the caddy/buick franchises due to the current place down the street closing down...well long story short a chevy/hummer dealer in the area was forced by gm to build a $5 mil separate building for Hummer and then a year later hummer and the whole market tanked...needless to say they were pissed so in order to smooth things over gm allowed them to re-open a closed pontiac gmc store RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM US...then the death blow to our dealership is when GM also gave them caddy/buick and left us with nothing...the dodge dealership in the area closed and that property as well as our property was bought by the prestige auto group for their new BMW and Mercedes buildings (funny how the expensive brands are doing GREAT around here) prestige also recently built a new lexus store and a mini store...so yeah its been crazy here to say the least

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In Tulsa, Buick was mixed with Chrysler/BMW. What I heard was that GM wasn't allowing that anymore and took the Buick franchise away and put them all with Pontiac/GMC dealers. We have 1 Cadillac/Saab dealer thats been here forever, they were a Lotus dealer too years ago. All of our Chevy dealers are Chevy only with the exclusion of one who sells medium duty Isuzu. The local Ford monopoly bought the Hummer franchise, but it was taken away as well I'm told because of GM and given to one of the Chevy dealers on the south end of town. Our Olds dealers were always Olds only, one shut down years ago, the other turned into KIA. All of the new big shiny stores are out south and are all Nissan, Ford, Chrysler and the big import dealer who's Inifiniti, Jaguar, Benz and I don't know what else. Theres a rumor that Sonic is pulling out of Tulsa which means two big Chevy dealers and a redundant Nissan dealer, but it hasn't happened yet. We closed our satellite used lot down the street and even closed our on site used building and moved everyone into the new car building. Lots of managers have been fired at all the stores in our area across all makes, lots of paycuts, people doing double duty. My own personal feeling for taking the Buick franchise and giving to all the Pontiac dealers is a sign of the closure of Pontiac. Not sure why they didn't give back to the Cadillac store where it began.

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Toyota used to be in whats now the VW building but now they have a massive shiny new place down the street

Yeah, that seems to be the trend in order to produce the 'united front'

If I see another shiny new Toyota or Nissan dealer, Ima scream.

For some reason these companies even have the uncanny ability to coordinate their dealers into a common theme... GM could only dream of doing that.

well long story short a chevy/hummer dealer in the area was forced by gm to build a $5 mil separate building for Hummer and then a year later hummer and the whole market tanked...needless to say they were pissed so in order to smooth things over gm allowed them to re-open a closed pontiac gmc store RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM US...then the death blow to our dealership is when GM also gave them caddy/buick and left us with nothing...

So maybe GM is moving to combine these dealers? It seems to be happening a lot.

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My own personal feeling for taking the Buick franchise and giving to all the Pontiac dealers is a sign of the closure of Pontiac. Not sure why they didn't give back to the Cadillac store where it began.

It's funny...

PCS talked about how the Pontiac, GMC, Buick marriage was an unholy alliance. While walking around one of the lots the other day, I couldn't help but agree...

The Buicks looked upscale (even though most are dated) as did the GMCs. But the Pontiacs looked cheap and bastardized (except for the obvious premium models) not unlike Kias...

Pontiac needs to have a new direction ASAP in my opinion. Buick and GMC are an excellent pair that should be successful. Pontiac needs to be the performance player that all of us enthusiasts have wanted all along.

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We used to have two GM dealerships about a block apart in my hometown of about 5,000. One was a Buick-Pontiac-Olds dealership and the other was a Chevy-Cadillac-GMC. Sometime in the late 90s the CCG dealer bought the BOP, and now the guy that owns our Ford-Lincoln-Mercury dealership has bought the GM dealership. So the GM dealership will be moving from a small downtown lot to a big lot with a new building out on the highway (right next to the Ford dealership). And across the highway is the Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep dealer.

At least, this is what was said a year ago. No earth has been moved, so I'm guessing that they are holding off until things stabilize in the car market.

What town in Iowa are you talking about? And what dealer? I am from Dubuque aren't you in the Cedar Rapids area?

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What town in Iowa are you talking about? And what dealer? I am from Dubuque aren't you in the Cedar Rapids area?

Yep, I live in Cedar Rapids...Harlan, Iowa is my hometown. The two GM dealers were Olesen Motors (Chev/Cad/GMC) and Miller Motors (BOP). Now it's just Olesen; they sold the Miller Motors building but kept the lot across the street, and a hot rod shop has set up in the Miller building (they have a beautiful '87 Monte Carlo SS sitting in the showroom window). Keast Ford is the one that bought out Olesen.

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Very interesting. Are you saying that GM gave Buick franchises where none existed before just so that every Pontiac-GMC dealer could carry Buicks too?

...What I heard was that GM wasn't allowing that anymore and took the Buick franchise away and put them all with Pontiac/GMC dealers...My own personal feeling for taking the Buick franchise and giving to all the Pontiac dealers is a sign of the closure of Pontiac. Not sure why they didn't give back to the Cadillac store where it began.
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Well, my local BPG dealership closed at the end of May - supposedly, the owner of the land refused to renew the lease that the dealership was on and wanted to sell it for redevelopment (a KFC that was also on the parcel of land closed in April), and I had heard that GM no longer wanted the brands under the guy's ownership <never heard much more on that back story though>. Both places are empty and no movement has been be seen on the land I guess due to the financial crisis (I'm sure the landowner is upset she isn't making any money right now). Unfortunately, with this dealership closing down, the next closest BPG dealerships are 30 minutes away to the south and 45 minutes to the north. I was hoping that a newer owner would have been given the brands to sell in a new dealership locally, but the auto lot being constructed was for a new CarSense dealership and not a BPG dealership.

So far in my end of southern Burlington County not much has changed yet. The local Toyota (Liberty Toyota, Route 130, Burlington City) built a new, larger store down on Rt 130 South outside of Willingboro (and next to large Dodge/Jeep/Chrysler and Hyundai dealerships). A Ford dealership next door to my Saturn dealership combined their operations 5 miles down the road with a Lincoln-Mercury dealership. Other than some small-time used car lots going under, not much else has changed yet (Ayres Pontiac-Cadillac, an extremely small dealership, is still in business but I don't know how or why GM is letting them live - they can't sell more than 1 new car a month and don't carry a used car inventory).

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I completely forgot about our Cadillac/Pontiac/GMC/SAAB dealership picking Buick up about a year ago. Buick had been part of Buick/Isuzu/Infiniti, but Buick left for C/P/G/S and Isuzu just dissolved, leaving Infiniti by itself.

I'm fairly sure that Infiniti put in stand alone requirement clauses in the dealership franchise agreements

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Very interesting. Are you saying that GM gave Buick franchises where none existed before just so that every Pontiac-GMC dealer could carry Buicks too?

My understanding was they didn't want their Buicks mixed with other brands, so the Buick franchises that were mixed were given to Pontiac/GMC dealers. Pontiac and GMC are always together here. The talk is it was done to protect those dealers when Pontiac goes away, and that was done a year or more ago. Buick was always a stand alone here like Oldsmobile except for some of the rural dealers who are BOPC, and it was that way always until around the time Olds went away one of the Buick franchises became, Buick, Jeep and BMW. So yeah they wanted them to have Buick too. Caddy is still on its own here except like I said in some rural areas.

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Other than some small-time used car lots going under, not much else has changed yet (Ayres Pontiac-Cadillac, an extremely small dealership, is still in business but I don't know how or why GM is letting them live - they can't sell more than 1 new car a month and don't carry a used car inventory).

From my own experience with GM and working in a fairly small dealer in a small suburb, GM is pretty protective of its small town dealers. They want them there so their customers can obtain service, etc without driving an hour or more. Generally if a small dealer goes away its their own choice not GM's. GM takes pretty good care of its dealers. Just like only Saturn dealers can look up and order Saturn parts or perform Saturn warranty repairs, its to insure they don't lose service business to more plentiful GM dealers.

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