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Another day and more bad news for Volkswagen and their diesel engines.

 

Let's begin with the latest. Automotive News is reporting that about 11 million Volkswagen vehicles equipped with diesel engines worldwide have the illegal software. Also, Volkswagen is planning to set aside 6.5 billion Euros ($7.3 billion) in the third quarter to cover the costs of addressing the issue. Volkswagen says the amount could change as the investigation continues.

 

Also, France, Germany, Italy, and South Korea have announced today they will open investigations to see if Volkswagen rigged vehicles to pass their emission tests.

 

The Detroit News has learned the EPA will be expanding their Volkswagen diesel investigation to the 3.0L V6 diesel engine used in a number of Audi vehicles, Porsche Cayenne, and Volkswagen Touareg. This engine was certified for 2016, but in light of the mess with the 2.0L diesel-four, the EPA wants to check the V6.

 

They were certified well before we knew what we know now,” said Christopher Grundler, director of the EPA’s Office of Transportation and Air Quality.

 

Bloomberg has learned from sources that the U.S. Department of Justice has opened a criminal investigation into Volkswagen after the German automaker admitted it had cheated on the EPA tests. This comes days after the Department of Justice announced a $900 Million fine for GM on the ignition switch mess. When asked about the investigation into Volkswagen, Justice Department spokesman Wyn Hornbuckle declined to comment.

 

Next is a report from the Detroit Free Press that says the U.S. Congress' Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee will be holding a hearing into Volkswagen's emission standard violations.

 

“Strong emissions standards are in place for the benefit of public health. We will follow the facts. We are ... concerned that auto consumers may have been deceived — that what they were purchasing did not come as advertised," said U.S. Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mi and Tim Murphy, R-Pa., said in a joint statement.

 

A date hasn't been set for the hearing, but the statement does say it will happen in the new few weeks.

 

Finally, we might have an answer as to how Volkswagen gamed the system in the EPA tests. Consumer Reports explained that the vehicles had two modes; "Dyno” and “On Road”. These modes are necessary as testing is done dynos and could cause the stability and traction controls to turn on. Once the testing is done and the vehicle is turned out, the vehicle goes back to the On Road mode. Somehow, Volkswagen's 'Dyno' mode was programmed to cut emissions.

 

Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required), Detroit News, Bloomberg, Detroit Free Press, Consumer Reports


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Soooo, eleventy million cancer spewing Diesel engines have been killing our environment,  and will continue to do so for many, many years....all from just one brand alone….so that customers can save a few $$ at the pump….after initially spending many $$$$$$$$$ to be able to do so, and MAYBE one day recover that cost…..in like 20 years.

 

Tell me again why people think they want Diesel?

 

 

And WOW, VW is in a world of hurt now, and no doubt other automakers as well. 

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I don't think there is necessarily a problem with diesel itself as much as how it was used. The people that should be driving a diesel are the ones who commute 80+ miles per day(40 each way). It really is the best situation for them. Phenominal mileage. With the prices relatively similar to mid grade or premium they can recoupe the initial investment much quicker as well.

 

I defniitely think there is a time and place for diesel cars. They just need to be done correctly like everybody else.

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No matter what we all think, Bloomberg is now saying that VW is stating this actually affects 11 million auto's they made. Their stock has dropped 25% in the last 2 days so a Market loss of 25 Billion Euros in value. VW estimates 6.8 Billion Euros to fix. The following countries have now stated they will investigate and possibly fine VW. Germany, France, South Korea and Italy on top of the US and Canada.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-22/vw-to-set-aside-7-3-billion-as-diesel-emissions-scandal-widens

 

Porsche is now saying that this VW mess will have a drastic affect on them as they own 51% of VW.

 

So Sum this up on what VW has Lost and could cost:

 

25 Billion Euros Value lost in Stock price

6.5 Billion Euros cost to fix the issue

US says possibly as much as 18 Billion fine.

Germany, France, South Korea, Italy, and Canada Additional Fines of unknown value.

 

End Result, VW will survive but be hurt bad by this mess financially

Diesel will get a worse rap as the medical communities and govs will attack it even more.

EV will probably get the biggest push ever.

China will probably lead a revolution of moving to electric auto's.

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i hope the fines are substantial. The engines are putting out 40 times the pollution allowed in California. VW should be banned from selling any diesels for a decade.

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i hope the fines are substantial. The engines are putting out 40 times the pollution allowed in California. VW should be banned from selling any diesels for a decade.

Putting out UP TO 40 times the pollution.

 

That probably means under full throttle acceleration.

 

But, I do agree that the fines should be substancial.

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Clean

Diesel

Technology

 

 

And wow, at 40X above what California allows.

 

 

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And then we have those that are trying to say this is no different than Ford with their MPG adjustments they had to make. 

 

WRONG, the cares did not make the MPG but the exhaust pollution was still the same.

 

VW on the other hand purposely changed their computer to pollute more rather than actually build the proper engines to meet the spec. Some countries are saying they will investigate and consider fines plus required engine swaps.

 

Can you imagine if VW has to replace 11 million engines or buy back the autos? This will be very hard on them. Good thing the fired CEO is 68 and able to retire, I doubt anyone would hire him.

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CARB EPA all these regulatory agencies are trying to turn good willing companies into criminals because the screws keep getting tightened.  And all these bureaucratic agencies are really concerned about in this instance is likely collecting fines.

 

The fallout of this, i wonder if Chevy gives up on the next Cruze diesel or if they actually go opposite and make it a marketing point.

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http://wardsauto.com/vehicles-technology/gm-eyed-us-inception-whisper-diesel

 

 

DETROIT – When the second-generation Chevrolet Cruze turbodiesel comes to market in the U.S. in 2017, the engine nicknamed “whisper diesel” will have at least one distinct advantage over its predecessor: American input.

“Our requirements here (in the U.S.) pushed it a lot,” says Mike Siegrist, assistant chief engineer, Chevy Cruze turbodiesel. “The fact that we are going to market this engine here in a Chevy Cruze helped to make it as quiet as it is.”

General Motors’ all-new 1.6L turbodiesel earned plaudits from the European motoring press shortly after it began rolling out last year in Opel products such as the Mokka small CUV. German journalists call it the “flüster diesel,” or whisper diesel, for its uncharacteristically muted noise and vibration qualiti

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Soooo, eleventy million cancer spewing Diesel engines have been killing our environment,  and will continue to do so for many, many years....all from just one brand alone….so that customers can save a few $$ at the pump….after initially spending many $$$$$$$$$ to be able to do so, and MAYBE one day recover that cost…..in like 20 years.

 

Tell me again why people think they want Diesel?

 

 

And WOW, VW is in a world of hurt now, and no doubt other automakers as well. 

So.

...what you're saying is that because there are blatantly illegal engines pumping out blatantly illegal amounts of pollutants because they ignored the effective remedy (likely on grounds of cost), all Diesel engines are bad.

It is a good thing you logged in as a visitor, because that is the kind of comment that would be downvoted into oblivion otherwise.

Yup. Even by your impressive standards, this is a stupid comment.

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CARB EPA all these regulatory agencies are trying to turn good willing companies into criminals because the screws keep getting tightened.  And all these bureaucratic agencies are really concerned about in this instance is likely collecting fines.

 

The fallout of this, i wonder if Chevy gives up on the next Cruze diesel or if they actually go opposite and make it a marketing point.

If they used urea then there's probably no need to-the engine is probably compliant.

C/D just interviewed the boffins from West Virginia who did the testing. They also used vehicles like a diesel BMW X5 as a control.

It used urea. It passed.

The crisis is legit. But those who are shouting from the rooftops to disregard diesel entirely have their tinfoil hats on a bit too tight.

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And then we have those that are trying to say this is no different than Ford with their MPG adjustments they had to make. 

 

WRONG, the cares did not make the MPG but the exhaust pollution was still the same.

 

VW on the other hand purposely changed their computer to pollute more rather than actually build the proper engines to meet the spec. Some countries are saying they will investigate and consider fines plus required engine swaps.

 

Can you imagine if VW has to replace 11 million engines or buy back the autos? This will be very hard on them. Good thing the fired CEO is 68 and able to retire, I doubt anyone would hire him.

As far as I know the only who compared Ford to VW was out redsident fordie. Certainly I didn't.

Be that as it may, then riddle me this: if the emission of choice these days is CO2, then how does overstating mileage make an Al Gore-approved family feel about producing more CO2 than they wanted to? And all because a company lied to them about mileage?

VW omitted an emission control that effectively eliminates NOx. But every single internal-combustion engine on earth will produce CO2, regardless of emission control system.

So... pick your poison.

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They might as well merge with FCA to get economies of scale to offset these losses.  Sergio is probably behind the whole thing!

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I do love the VW diesel engine.  It is strong, friendly and efficient.  I would buy an Amarok TDi if it were available in the U.S. with a regular or extended cab, 4WD and a six speed stick.  GM has already shown that they are not willing to give me that combo in a baby Duramax Collie.  MOAR DIESELS PLEASE!  :)

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I've always been a fan of VW. While this scandal will hurt their image and that of Diesels I have no doubt they'll make a come back. Their cars are good quality and great designs, their having clean diesel was just a plus. Still not the worst cars on the road.

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I really wonder if GM will push their Diesels. VW the most trusted has lost the trust and GM already had a tough road to follow as it was now it has just become more difficult. I think they delay it here in the states and push it overseas to prove its worth before they bring it back here.

The real problem here for VW is not only did they cheat but the fact they took $51 million in green energy kick backs. I can see the government not just fining them but really going after the taking of money in a scam. People who hold office are made to look more foolish then they all ready do and they do not take kindly to companies that will hurt their reps.

If they can find who approved this there could be real criminal charges on fraud against the US Government made here.

To be honest I just had to grin when I heard what they did. It was almost like a Smokey Yunick trick. I have to admire what they did in a way. A company should not break the law but what they did is far from the worst thing an Automaker or company has done.

Hell this is the company that also said hey lets make Hitler a car too. That is one area the PR department is careful about.

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Now, if you want to see what the ACTUAL damage VW's stunt did to the environment, THIS article will suffice:

http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/terence-corcoran-riding-volks-into-the-sunset

 

 

More interesting is this....

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol

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That link's not that good, really. I mean, it basically means that Ford's Super Duties are killing whole swaths of people every time the ignition key is turned. I thought they got that out of their system with the Pinto.

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      The electric powered compressor is located in the intake air path downstream of the intercooler and close to the engine. If the load demand from the accelerator is high but there is still too little boost from the turbocharger, the EPC comes into play. A compact electric motor with an output of 7 kW accelerates the compressor wheel to 65,000 rpm in roughly 300 milliseconds, producing a relative boost pressure of 1.4 bar.
      Recuperation, coasting and smooth starts: MHEV technology
      The MHEV system (mild hybrid electric vehicle) in the new Audi SQ5 TDI can reduce real-world fuel consumption by as much as 0.7 liters per 100 kilometers. At its core is a belt alternator-starter (BAS) connected to the crankshaft. During deceleration, it can recuperate up to 12 kW of energy. This electrical energy is stored in the lithium-ion battery, from where it is dynamically distributed to the consumers in the electrical system.
      If the driver lifts off the accelerator at a speed between 55 and 160 km/h (34.2 and 99.4 mph), the new Audi SQ5 TDI can, depending on Audi drive select setting and driving situation, either recuperate, roll at idle with the clutch disengaged or coast with the engine off for up to 40 seconds. The BAS restarts the engine the next time the accelerator is depressed, and that noticeably faster and more smoothly than a conventional starter. MHEV technology allows for start/stop operation at a speed of up to 22 km/h (13.7 mph). If the vehicle is equipped with the adaptive cruise control (ACC), the engine restarts while the brake pedal is still depressed as soon as the vehicle in front of the SQ5 TDI begins to move.
      Optimized for supreme pulling power and maximum efficiency: the engine
      This top output version of the 3.0 V6 TDI engine has been further developed and modified in numerous areas. Crankshaft, pistons, connecting rods and oil management have all been specially configured for the more stringent demands. The thermal management system is highly versatile. The crankcase and the cylinder heads have their own cooling circuits, allowing the engine oil to warm up quickly after a cold start. The coolant flow is directed to the oil cooler, the EPC, the BAS and the turbocharger as needed. The large exhaust gas turbocharger with variable turbine geometry (VTG) produces a relative boost pressure of up to 2.4 bar. A sound actuator in the exhaust system gives the TDI a sonorous sound.
      Fast, smooth and efficient: the eight-speed tiptronic
      A fast and smooth-shifting eight-speed tiptronic handles the power transmission. Its lower gears feature short, sporty ratios, while the upper gears are long to reduce revs and fuel consumption. New detailed solutions enable the tiptronic to work effectively with MHEV technology. If the sport SUV is rolling and the engine is idling or shut off entirely, a clutch in the central transmission opens and interrupts the power connection. An electric oil pump enables the tiptronic to engage the gear while coasting that will be needed at restart.
      quattro and sport differential
      Like every S model from Audi, the new SQ5 TDI comes standard with quattro permanent all-wheel drive. In normal driving conditions, its self-locking center differential distributes torque between the front and rear axle in a 40:60 ratio. When slip is detected, the majority of the power is directed to the axle with the better traction. Depending on the driving situation, a maximum of 70 percent can flow to the front or 85 percent to the rear.
      Wheel-selective torque control, an intelligent software function complementing the quattro drive, is active on all kinds of surface. During dynamic cornering, it brakes the wheels on the inside of the curve minimally before they begin to slip. The power is thus directed via the differential to the wheel with the better traction. The sports SUV turns into the curve ever so slightly. Its self-steering behavior remains neutral for a long time, and handling remains stable, precise and agile.
      Customers can also order the SQ5 TDI with a sport differential on the rear axle. It actively distributes the power between the rear wheels during dynamic cornering. The sport differential literally pushes the car into the curve, nipping understeer in the bud. It sends more torque to the outside rear wheel when accelerating out of tight radii to further improve agility.
      Sporty and precise: the chassis of the new SQ5 TDI
      Sophisticated five-link suspension at the front and rear lays the foundation for the sporty driving characteristics of the new Audi SQ5 TDI. Audi also offers optional dynamic steering, which uses strain wave gearing to vary the steering ratio over a very wide range as a function of speed and steering angle. The suspension with damper control comes standard in the new SQ5 TDI. It lowers the body by 30 millimeters (1.2 in) compared with the Q5 with standard suspension. It offers a particularly wide spread between comfort and dynamics.
      Along with the sport differential, engine, steering and tiptronic, the dampers are integrated into the Audi drive select dynamic handling system. With Audi drive select, the driver can vary the function of these systems via multiple profiles. Audi also offers the S-specific adaptive air suspension as another option. It adapts not just the damping but also the body’s trim to the respective driving situation.
      The new Audi SQ5 TDI comes standard with 20-inch cast aluminum wheels and 255/45-series tires. 21-inch wheels are available as an option. There is also a choice of three different 21-inch wheel designs from Audi Sport GmbH. Aluminum six-piston calipers on the front axle grip steel discs with a diameter of 375 millimeters (14.8 in). The black calipers (red optional) sport S logos.
      Convenient and safe: the driver assistance systems
      The new Audi SQ5 TDI offers a broad portfolio of driver assistance systems. The predictive efficiency assistant provides specific tips to help the driver save fuel. Audi active lane assist makes it easier to stay in your lane and can handle some of the steering task in slow-moving traffic.  The distance warning display alerts the driver when the distance to the vehicle ahead drops below a safe distance. These and other functions are brought together in the optional Tour assist package.
      The optional functions rear cross traffic assist, exit warning, collision avoidance assist and turn assist also enhance safety in everyday driving. The same applies to the pre sense systems; Audi pre sense city comes as standard. It warns the driver about pedestrians and vehicles, and if necessary initiates automatic emergency braking within system limits. Park assist, camera-based traffic sign recognition and hill descent control round out the optional features.
      Logical and intelligent: controls infotainment and Audi connect
      The MMI control concept in the Audi SQ5 TDI is easy to understand and features an intelligent free text search function. The natural-language voice control function also recognizes inputs from everyday speech. The third control level is the leather multifunction steering wheel, which is used to operate the driver information system or the optional Audi virtual cockpit. Depending on the setting, its 12.3-inch display shows an S-specific mode centered around the rev counter. Audi supplements this with a head-up display.
      The infotainment lineup in the Audi SQ5 TDI follows a modular concept. At the top is MMI navigation plus with MMI all-in-touch and an 8.3-inch display. A standard component of the top system is Audi connect, which connects the SQ5 TDI to the internet via LTE and provides a WiFi hotspot for the passengers’ mobile devices.
      The Audi phone box connects smartphones to the on-board antenna by near-field coupling and simultaneously charges them inductively using the Qi standard. The Audi smartphone interface brings Apple CarPlay and Android Auto into the car. For particularly discerning hi-fi fans, the Bang & Olufsen Sound System with 3D sound is available.
      Sportily distinctive: the exterior design
      Numerous exterior design details hint at the sporty character of the Audi SQ5 TDI. The bold bumpers feature strongly contoured air inlets up front and a diffuser insert with a honeycomb grille at the rear. The Singleframe grille features double aluminum slats and contrasting trim elements in twilight gray matt. The S logo with red rhombus is used in numerous locations to set additional accents.
      The headlights and rear lights of the Audi SQ5 TDI come standard in LED technology; the dynamic turn signals at the front and rear send unmistakable signals. The exterior mirror housings and the clasp on the diffuser sport a shining, aluminum-look finish. Door trim strips in the body color underscore the sportiness. The exterior color panther black is reserved exclusively for the Audi SQ5 TDI.
      Elegant ambiance: the interior
      The dark-toned interior welcomes the driver and passengers with illuminated door sills bearing exclusive S logos. Contrasting stitching on the leather steering wheel and sport seats conveys a dynamic and elegant ambiance. The S sport seats in leather and Alcantara can be upgraded to fine Nappa leather with rhombus pattern and a pneumatic massage function. Brushed aluminum inlays are standard, with elegant wood applications or an exclusive carbon inlay available as options. The shift paddles on the steering wheel sport an aluminum-look finish; there are stainless steel applications on the pedals and footrest.
      The optional rear seat bench plus in the new Audi SQ5 TDI is split into three segments. Longitudinal and seat back angle adjustment are optional. The luggage compartment has a basic capacity of 550 liters (19.4 cu ft), which can be increased to 1,55sss0 liters (54.7 cu ft) by folding down the rear seat backrests.
      Equipment
      Standard equipment in Germany includes 20-inch cast aluminum wheels in a 5-twin-spoke star design, LED headlights and suspension with S-specific damper control. The eight-speed tiptronic transmission, quattro permanent all-wheel drive, sport seats in leather/Alcantara and a three-spoke, leather-covered multifunction steering wheel are also standard equipment. The new Audi SQ5 3.0 TDI will begin arriving at German dealerships in Summer 2019 and have a base price of 67,750  euros. 
       
      Fuel consumption of the models named above
      (Fuel consumption and CO2 emissions figures given in ranges depend on the chosen equipment level)
      Audi SQ5 TDI
      Combined fuel consumption in l/100 km: 6.8 – 6.6;
      Combined CO2 emissions in g/km: 177 – 172
      Audi SQ7 TDI
      Combined fuel consumption in l/100 km: 7.6. – 7.2;
      Combined CO2 emissions in g/km: 199 – 189
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      "It's a bridging technology," between internal-combustion and full-electric cars, said Matthew Renna, Volkswagen North America Region's vice president of e-mobility yesterday at the Chicago Auto Show.
      "It's very cost-prohibitive to have two different powertrains on one platform."
      Volkswagen has made no secret about their electric car ambitions, with plans to launch a full lineup within the next few years. While Europe will get a small hatchback based on I.D. Concept, the U.S. will get a production version of the Crozz concept. Volkswagen is also planning on selling their upcoming EVs in all 50 states, not only in those that require automakers to sell certain number of EVs.
      "The plan is to sell nationwide. The goal is a nationwide roll-out ASAP," said Renna.
      Source: Roadshow

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    • By William Maley
      In Europe, Volkswagen offers a couple of plug-in hybrid models such as the Golf GTE. But don't expect any those plug-in hybrids to come to the U.S.
      "It's a bridging technology," between internal-combustion and full-electric cars, said Matthew Renna, Volkswagen North America Region's vice president of e-mobility yesterday at the Chicago Auto Show.
      "It's very cost-prohibitive to have two different powertrains on one platform."
      Volkswagen has made no secret about their electric car ambitions, with plans to launch a full lineup within the next few years. While Europe will get a small hatchback based on I.D. Concept, the U.S. will get a production version of the Crozz concept. Volkswagen is also planning on selling their upcoming EVs in all 50 states, not only in those that require automakers to sell certain number of EVs.
      "The plan is to sell nationwide. The goal is a nationwide roll-out ASAP," said Renna.
      Source: Roadshow
    • By William Maley
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      No reason was given as to why this decision was reversed. Volkswagen is still planning to do mild-hybrid versions of the standard Golf that will utilize a 48-Volt electrical system.
      Autocar says the next-generation GTI will use an updated version of the turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder producing either 252 or 286 horsepower. The current model in the U.S. punches out 227 horsepower. A six-speed manual or seven-speed dual-clutch will be the available transmissions.
      Source: Autocar

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