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There will always be those who try their best to find loopholes. Case in point are some Volkswagen TDI owners who deciding to strip their vehicles for parts before turning them into dealers. This came to light a couple of weeks ago on Jalopnik as it had found various threads on Reddit and TDI forums with such titles as “Will anyone be stripping salvaging parts before selling back?” and "Stripping the Turn-Ins". Why are there owners who are seriously considering this? It comes down to EPA's consent decree which states a vehicle must be 'operatable'. This is defined by the court as, 

"“Operable” means that a vehicle so described can be driven under its own 2.0-liter TDI engine power. A vehicle is not Operable if it had a branded title of “Assembled,” “Dismantled,” “Flood,” “Junk,” “Rebuilt,” “Reconstructed,” or “Salvaged” as of September 18, 2015, and was acquired by any person or entity from a junkyard or salvaged after September 18, 2015."

This definition leaves a lot of room for interpretation and some are taking that to mean it is ok to remove a number of parts. In fact, one Volkswagen TDI owner in Ohio basically removed almost everything on his Golf to see if Volkswagen would buy it back and was brought to light by Jalopnik last week.

But this loophole has been closed. USA Today reports that U.S. District Court Judge Charles Breyer warned owners last Thursday not to strip their vehicles. This was brought up by Volkswagen's attorney which referenced the Jalopnik story.

"Clearly the purpose of the agreement by Volkswagen was to accept these cars in the condition that they were in as they were being driven on the road, and not to strip the cars," Breyer said at the hearing.

Jonathan Cohen, an attorney for the Federal Trade Commission told USA Today that the agency is "absolutely against bad-faith behavior by consumers" but also noted that VW cannot reject buybacks based on "the vehicle's superficial condition." (i.e. normal wear and tear).

Breyer said he would consider taking further action if needed at a later time.

Source: Jalopnik, 2 , USA Today


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Good. Anyone with half an ounce of common sense could establish that VW didn't want these cars back stripped of as much of their parts as one could get off while still leaving it drivable. 

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To strip and return is like damaging an item or theft.

VW has given a generous settlement and blazing deals on a new car so asking that the car comes back complete is little to ask.

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People are just being petty and trying to take advantage of the situation.... Tale as old as time..

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Stupid auto correct...

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It is like people buying a mower at Walmart in the spring then returning it in the fall because now they did not like it. 

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1 hour ago, hyperv6 said:

It is like people buying a mower at Walmart in the spring then returning it in the fall because now they did not like it. 

but what if the mower company was caught cheating emissions and lying to its customers and regulatory agencies, completely devaluing resale?

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8 minutes ago, bigpoolog said:

but what if the mower company was caught cheating emissions and lying to its customers and regulatory agencies, completely devaluing resale?

That's part of the settlement.  VW is paying above market rates to buy back the cars and deep discounts to those customers who purchase new VWs. 

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yeah and hyper paralleling tdi owners to entitled people who take advantage of return policies is dumb...

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I dunno.  In both cases, people are taking advantage of the spirit of the rules.  Mind you, I've benefited from this in the past... picked up a mower that had been returned.  It was a gas mower and the tag says "Customer states 'Makes a loud noise'".  Took it out in the parking lot, fired it up, and it ran fine for 7 years after that. 

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3 hours ago, bigpoolog said:

but what if the mower company was caught cheating emissions and lying to its customers and regulatory agencies, completely devaluing resale?

The fact is no matter what VW did it does not entitle anyone to steel parts off the cars. Two wrongs are only twice as wrong. 

VW is being fined and punished. They have paid over value on the cars that are going to be scrapped and I know many are using this point as justification but that is still not right. They are also getting screaming deals on new cars. My boss just got a new Jetta with everything on it for only $210 a month. Not many worth while cars for that price. He traded in his wife's diesel for it.

No matter how you spin it there is no honest and ethical way to put it stealing is stealing and this kind of thinking we all pay for it in the end in higher prices.  

There is no entitlement for anything here other than what the law provides. To take it into your own hands and take from the car in the end could end up making a bad situation only worse. 

To be honest if someone pulled a car into my dealer stripped down I would prorate it. 

Also you can not provide anything that this would be legal or with in the idea of how the settlement goes. 

Sorry but personal social justice or vigilantism is not morally or ethically right no matter how you spin it. 

What you want to do here is stealing and no matter what VW did it is still stealing. 

Just because a store short changed you does not give you a right to shop lift. 

Now if VW did not make a decent offer and provide a good buy back then you take legal action at that point and follow the rule of law. 


 


 

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2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I dunno.  In both cases, people are taking advantage of the spirit of the rules.  Mind you, I've benefited from this in the past... picked up a mower that had been returned.  It was a gas mower and the tag says "Customer states 'Makes a loud noise'".  Took it out in the parking lot, fired it up, and it ran fine for 7 years after that. 

I know from my own work how dishonest people are and in the end it cost the honest people. 

While the VW issues was a large issue the fact is people keeping parts are every bit as bad for what they are doing. Now if they had VW or the dealer saying it was ok but like you said it was not how the deal was intended. VW will send most of these cars to recyclable and salvage as much as they can. 

Hate for operate America is one thing but we all must understand the cost will be passes on to the rest of us in one way or another. It is up to the government to deal out the punishment and leave it at that. A public lynching be it a Human or Corporation while it may feel good only hurts everyone. 

Taking of parts like this is greedy and selfish. 

It is no different than people burning Hummers because they disagree with people owning them because they are not environmental enough. 

Right is right and wrong is wrong and there is no between. 

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These a-holes should have their buyback offers rescinded immediately.

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21 hours ago, hyperv6 said:

To strip and return is like damaging an item or theft.

VW has given a generous settlement and blazing deals on a new car so asking that the car comes back complete is little to ask.

 

20 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

People are just being petty and trying to take advantage of the situation.... Tale as old as time..

I totally agree......my thought is there that the lose both their car and the deal....

 

because paybacks....:angry:

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36 minutes ago, daves87rs said:

 

I totally agree......my thought is there that the lose both their car and the deal....

 

because paybacks....:angry:

To be honest I would leave them with the car and leave them with their own damage. They own the car so you can not really take it away but VW can take the deal or pro rate it so they feel the pain as the law was broken and they took the law into their own hands. 

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2 hours ago, hyperv6 said:

To be honest I would leave them with the car and leave them with their own damage. They own the car so you can not really take it away but VW can take the deal or pro rate it so they feel the pain as the law was broken and they took the law into their own hands. 

Yeah, you can't take their cars away from them... the biggest punishment would be to leave them with the car and rescind the buyback offer. 

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5 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Yeah, you can't take their cars away from them... the biggest punishment would be to leave them with the car and rescind the buyback offer. 

And a pile of parts!

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10 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Yeah, you can't take their cars away from them... the biggest punishment would be to leave them with the car and rescind the buyback offer. 

True....but I still think folks like that really don'y need a car anyways.....

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      GT combines the powerful VR6® engine with a lowered suspension and design enhancements to create the most aggressive looking Passat yet Limited-run model adds more than 20 sporty interior and exterior enhancements to Passat 3.6-liter VR6 engine is paired with a lowered suspension and sport exhaust Designed at Volkswagen’s Engineering and Planning Center in Chattanooga, Tenn. Pricing starts at $29,090 Detroit, Mich. – Today, Volkswagen of America, Inc., debuted the 2018 Passat GT special model at the North American International Auto Show. The production model, previewed by a concept at Automobility LA in 2016, was designed by the company’s North American engineering hub in Chattanooga, Tennessee, based on extensive feedback from U.S. customers and dealers.
      “The Passat GT illustrates how the North American Region can shape Volkswagen vehicles specifically for the U.S. market,” said Dr. Matthias Erb, Chief Engineering Officer, North American Region, Volkswagen. “Combining a local perspective with our global engineering expertise allows us to create vehicles that meet the needs and desires of customers here.”
      The Passat GT joins the Passat lineup for model year 2018 as a limited-run special model based off the R-Line® trim. It will be available in four exterior colors—Pure White, Reflex Silver, Platinum Grey, and Deep Black.
      Starting at the front, Passat GT differentiates itself from standard Passat models with standard LED headlights and LED Daytime Running Lights (DRLs). It borrows the R-Line® bumper and adds a honeycomb grille, GT badge, and a red accent line, reminiscent of the high-performance Golf GTI. A sport suspension gives it a more planted stance and cements the aggressive look.
      Moving around the side of the vehicle, the GT receives sporty touches from top to bottom. A black roof is complimented by black mirror caps and black window and door trim. Two-tone 19-inch “Tornado” wheels are accentuated with red-painted brake calipers, another nod to Volkswagen’s performance heritage.
      At the back, the Passat GT’s accents continue with a black spoiler and blackened LED taillights. The rear fascia also includes black bumper trim and a double exhaust with an acoustic package.
      Inside, the GT features piano black center console and vent trim, carbon fiber optic décor, black headliner, and aluminum GT-badged sills. Seating surfaces are black leatherette with Moonrock Gray inserts and contrast stitching. Standard interior comfort features include: a leather-wrapped steering wheel, 8-way power driver’s seat, heated front seats, dual-zone Climatronic® automatic climate control, and heated side mirrors.
      To keep passengers connected, the Passat GT features a Composition Media infotainment unit with 6.3-inch capacitive touchscreen display and standard Bluetooth® for compatible devices, Voice Control, and Volkswagen Car-Net® App-Connect technology that offers compatible smartphone integration with the three major platforms—Apple CarPlay™, Android Auto™ and MirrorLink®.  GT models feature two USB ports—one in the center console and one in the rear seat console. SiriusXM® Satellite Radio is standard and includes a three-month trial.
      The new Passat GT will be powered by Volkswagen’s 3.6-liter VR6® engine, making it a true sport sedan. Producing an impressive 280 horsepower at 6,200 rpm and 258 lb-ft of torque at 2,500 rpm with regular fuel, it offers power and luxury-class driving comfort with surprising fuel economy—EPA estimated fuel economy is 19 mpg city and 28 mpg highway. Shifting is handled by a standard six-speed DSG® automatic transmission with Tiptronic®, which features steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters.
      Every 2018 Passat model comes with the People First Warranty, America’s best bumper-to-bumper new vehicle limited warranty. The warranty provides coverage for six-years or 72,000-miles (whichever occurs first), and the warranty can be transferred to subsequent owners throughout the remainder of its duration.
      The 2018 Passat GT is expected to arrive at U.S. Volkswagen dealers in the second quarter of 2018. Pricing for the Passat GT starts at $29,090. The destination charge is an additional $850.

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    • By William Maley
      It seems any auto manufacturer that has built a diesel in recent years is getting hit with a lawsuit. The latest one to hit the courts involves Ford and their Super Duty pickups.
      According to Bloomberg, a class-action lawsuit was filed against Ford and supplier Bosch for using emissions-cheating software on the 2011 to 2017 F-250 and F-350 Super Duty trucks. The suit alleges that Ford conspired with Bosch on developing software that would allow the company to alter engine parameters to help emission standards during EPA testing. In the real world, the engines would spew out as much as 50 times the legal limit for nitrogen oxide pollutants. The suit alleges 58 violations of state consumer law, false advertising and racketeering claims. 
      “The vehicle’s own on-board diagnostic software indicates emission control system to be operating as Ford intended, even though its real world performance grossly exceeds the standard,” said Steve Berman, a managing partner at Hagens Berman in the complaint.
      “All Ford vehicles, including those with diesel engines, comply with all U.S. EPA and CARB emissions regulations. Ford vehicles do not have defeat devices. We will defend ourselves against these baseless claims,” said Daniel Barbosa, a spokesman for Ford to Bloomberg.
      This comes only a day after Ford announced the specifications for the upcoming F-150 Power Stroke diesel.
      Source: Bloomberg

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