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How was the new turbo 4?  Did it have decent torque?  Did the transmission work well with it?  Any NVH issues?

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1 hour ago, Stew said:

Of course, GM could buy the old Yugo plant and start building them and you would claim everybody loves their Yugo and never has issues.  That said, my brother loves his ATS, as do I, but neither of us pretends it is a reliability champion. 

No... No.. But even I didn't celebrate its purchase of Daewoo until American influence became apart of their engineering. So U are wrong.. Again 

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Just now, Cmicasa the Great said:

No... No.. But even I didn't celebrate its purchase of Daewoo until American influence became apart of their engineering. So U are wrong.. Again 

If you could even remotely like Daewoo at any point.......

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2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

 

LOL!

THAT is stuff I do!

Love them youtube videos!

Eat your heart out @Cmicasa the Great

Others do my dirty work for me!

Ignore me all you want...I aint going away big boy!

 

 

22 minutes ago, Stew said:

If you could even remotely like Daewoo at any point.......

Dont worry about him Stew....

He means well...

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About the Guilia

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5 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

LOL!

THAT is stuff I do!

Love them youtube videos!

Eat your heart out @Cmicasa the Great

Others do my dirty work for me!

Ignore me all you want...I aint going away big boy!

 

 

Dont worry about him Stew....

He means well...

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Hahaha  It's all good. 

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32 minutes ago, Stew said:

If you could even remotely like Daewoo at any point.......

Incredibly off topic, but when they first came out, the Daewoos looked great on paper.  The transverse inline-6 in the Leganza wasn't a MPG queen, but who cared, gas was 89 cents a gallon.  The engine was one of the best things about that car because it was Lexus smooth and the interiors could fool you into thinking they were a Lexus from the pictures.  Not too bad for a car that was $4,000 cheaper than an equivalent Accord or $5,000 less than a Camry. 

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They had their reliability issues, but what really killed them was their horrendous sales process. They tried to use a combination of college kids doing multi-level marketing and buy-here-pay-here lots, while service was to be taken care of at K-Mart (if memory serves on that last point). Not confidence inspiring.

Tyinging this to Alfa.  We have a single Alfa-Romeo dealer here in Pittsburgh at an Automotive Group I've never even heard of.  From the architecture in the pictures, they look like they're an old Chrysler-Plymouth Dealer who now covers Chrysler-Dodge-Ram-Jeep-Fiat-Alfa Romeo.  When Lexus came to this country, they had purpose built showrooms, so this shoving a couple cars in the back corner of an ex-Plymouth showroom doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in me.  

In this particular case, the dealership is also 25 miles outside of the city and the next closest one is 70 miles away in Ohio.. so they better have a Tesla like pickup/drop-off service for people who are coming from BMW or Benz and used to having a dealership near downtown.  

Edit to add:  You literally have to drive past BMW (twice), Mercedes, Jaguar, Land Rover, Cadillac, Lexus (up to twice), Lincoln, Volvo, Audi, and possibly even Maserati just to get to the only Alfa dealership here.

Vehicle issues aside, the dealership network could be the thing that makes or breaks Alfa in the US.  It's largely what killed Daewoo. 

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Nobody buys Alfa Romeos because they are reliable appliances...

People buy Alfa Romeos to satisfy their lust for sin!

If we could personify automobiles and cars were women, we would date a Camaro for a few years and marry a very faithful Corolla.

Alfa Romeos are strippers and whores we booze around with in Las Vegas!

 

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8 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Incredibly off topic, but when they first came out, the Daewoos looked great on paper.  The transverse inline-6 in the Leganza wasn't a MPG queen, but who cared, gas was 89 cents a gallon.  The engine was one of the best things about that car because it was Lexus smooth and the interiors could fool you into thinking they were a Lexus from the pictures.  Not too bad for a car that was $4,000 cheaper than an equivalent Accord or $5,000 less than a Camry. 

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Lexus ES300 98 Champ 74k 032.jpg

 

They had their reliability issues, but what really killed them was their horrendous sales process. They tried to use a combination of college kids doing multi-level marketing and buy-here-pay-here lots, while service was to be taken care of at K-Mart (if memory serves on that last point). Not confidence inspiring.

Tyinging this to Alfa.  We have a single Alfa-Romeo dealer here in Pittsburgh at an Automotive Group I've never even heard of.  From the architecture in the pictures, they look like they're an old Chrysler-Plymouth Dealer who now covers Chrysler-Dodge-Ram-Jeep-Fiat-Alfa Romeo.  When Lexus came to this country, they had purpose built showrooms, so this shoving a couple cars in the back corner of an ex-Plymouth showroom doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in me.  

In this particular case, the dealership is also 25 miles outside of the city and the next closest one is 70 miles away in Ohio.. so they better have a Tesla like pickup/drop-off service for people who are coming from BMW or Benz and used to having a dealership near downtown.

Vehicle issues aside, the dealership network could be the thing that makes or breaks Alfa in the US.  It's largely what killed Daewoo. 

Oh, I certainly agree there.   That has been a major issue for Fiat  as well, but they seem to expanding there some.  Yeah, I remember that weird marketing and sales practices now that you mention it.  Their cars weren't exactly decent looking either (exterior).  I feel this hurts cadillac some as well.  They do have some decent dealerships that are specific to them, but then you have ones like our local dealer who treats you like just some other Chevy customer, and their loaners are even last gen Impalas.  Now, the dealership my brother bought his car from in Indiana is VERY nice, but they are a high end dealer.  Salesman drove the car down and even went over the features in a mall parking lot. 

3 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Nobody buys Alfa Romeos because they are reliable appliances...

People buy Alfa Romeos to satisfy their lust for sin!

If we could personify automobiles and cars were women, we would date a Camaro for a few years and marry a very faithful Corolla.

Alfa Romeos are strippers and whores we booze around with in Las Vegas!

 

Okay, I love this analogy!

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Cadillac has a very inconsistent dealership network, that is certainly true.  I've seen a Cadillac / Rolls dealer that would blow you away, yet others are how you described... more interested in volume sales of Equinoxes......

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18 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

If we could personify automobiles and cars were women, we would date a Camaro for a few years and marry a very faithful Corolla.

Alfa Romeos are strippers and whores we booze around with in Las Vegas!

So can I get a wife dressed this way but with all the Asian faithfulness? ;) 

10 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Cadillac has a very inconsistent dealership network, that is certainly true.  I've seen a Cadillac / Rolls dealer that would blow you away, yet others are how you described... more interested in volume sales of Equinoxes......

Totally agree with this! :thumbsup:

My cadillac dealership is great, the people go out of their way and over all I have been happy with 95% of everything.

Yet this dealership is in a building that used to be a Cadillac, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Hummer dealership. The old signage is still all over and the place has that old musty smell. 

Time for a major remodel for the 21st Century!

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9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Cadillac has a very inconsistent dealership network, that is certainly true.  I've seen a Cadillac / Rolls dealer that would blow you away, yet others are how you described... more interested in volume sales of Equinoxes......

hopefully they will start that dealership overhaul sooner rather than later.  Especially once you reach a certain price point the expectations for he dealership and service goes way up.  It has to be all inclusive too, it can't just look the part, it has to be the part.  One of y brother's issue with his Audi was actually the dealership.   It was beautiful, awesome comfy showroom with wood floors and cushy offices, but the techs were awful.  It hink half the problems he had stemmed from their incompetence. 

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2 minutes ago, Stew said:

hopefully they will start that dealership overhaul sooner rather than later.  Especially once you reach a certain price point the expectations for he dealership and service goes way up.  It has to be all inclusive too, it can't just look the part, it has to be the part.  One of y brother's issue with his Audi was actually the dealership.   It was beautiful, awesome comfy showroom with wood floors and cushy offices, but the techs were awful.  It hink half the problems he had stemmed from their incompetence. 

With the overhaul of the dealers needs to also be a required update of training for the mechanics and specialization by each one. Auto's today are very complex and need the specialty training to make sure they resolve issues on the first time for the majority of the cases, like 99.9% of the time.

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Just now, Stew said:

hopefully they will start that dealership overhaul sooner rather than later.  Especially once you reach a certain price point the expectations for he dealership and service goes way up.  It has to be all inclusive too, it can't just look the part, it has to be the part.  One of y brother's issue with his Audi was actually the dealership.   It was beautiful, awesome comfy showroom with wood floors and cushy offices, but the techs were awful.  It hink half the problems he had stemmed from their incompetence. 

That was my experience years ago with the local VW dealer. A beautiful Apple Store of a place, modern, airy.  Techs that couldn't fix worth a damn and management that couldn't care less about it.  And they were the Phaeton certified dealership for the area.... I pity the Phaeton owners who took their cars there. 

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3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

With the overhaul of the dealers needs to also be a required update of training for the mechanics and specialization by each one. Auto's today are very complex and need the specialty training to make sure they resolve issues on the first time for the majority of the cases, like 99.9% of the time.

I agree 100%  Just about any new car is going to go to the dealership at some point for warranty or recall work and if the service department does not instill trust during this or regular maintenance it can certainly hurt them. 

2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

That was my experience years ago with the local VW dealer. A beautiful Apple Store of a place, modern, airy.  Techs that couldn't fix worth a damn and management that couldn't care less about it.  And they were the Phaeton certified dealership for the area.... I pity the Phaeton owners who took their cars there. 

Oh yes, I can imagine.  They need to not only talk the talk, but walk the walk. 

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14 minutes ago, dfelt said:

So can I get a wife dressed this way but with all the Asian faithfulness? ;) 

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I dont know how you feel about Predator face, but for me it works big time on this model!

And just look at the lines of the rest of the car...sexiful!

OKAY!

Back to Alfa Romeo....

 

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27 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

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I don't know how you feel about Predator face, but for me it works big time on this model!

And just look at the lines of the rest of the car...sexiful!

OKAY!

Back to Alfa Romeo....

PASS, Hate the Predator look. But I raise you one sexy Silver Frost CTS-V Coupe! 

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This is so superior to Alfa! :metal: 

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8 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

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GM needs to pull their heads out of their asses and build this already! Best looking Buick since the 80s GNX!

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27 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

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18 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

GM needs to pull their heads out of their asses and build this already! Best looking Buick since the 80s GNX!

Agree, this would make an awesome GNX with the TTV6.

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They should really build that, but if it ever sees production, it is petty well a guarantee it would be a 4 door "coupe."

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On 22/03/2017 at 10:49 AM, Stew said:

How was the new turbo 4?  Did it have decent torque?  Did the transmission work well with it?  Any NVH issues?

It pulled very hard and had a lot of torque. The transmission felt like your standard 8-speed and initially no NVH issues to report.

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1 hour ago, Anthony Fongaro said:

It pulled very hard and had a lot of torque. The transmission felt like your standard 8-speed and initially no NVH issues to report.

Initially?

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5 hours ago, Stew said:

They should really build that, but if it ever sees production, it is petty well a guarantee it would be a 4 door "coupe."

Nothing wrong with a 4 Door GNX! :metal: 

2 hours ago, Anthony Fongaro said:

It pulled very hard and had a lot of torque. The transmission felt like your standard 8-speed and initially no NVH issues to report.

Expand please on the Initially comment? 

Inquiring minds want to know! :P

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      18,218
      24,659
      -26%
      JEEP BRAND
       
      87,328
      98,382
      -11%
      212,804
      228,105
      -7%
      Ram P/U
       
      45,187
      41,307
      9%
      120,026
      103,964
      15%
      Cargo Van
       
      0
      0
      0%
      0
      0
       
      ProMaster Van
       
      4,928
      2,451
      101%
      13,319
      6,457
      106%
      ProMaster City
       
      1,707
      1,120
      52%
      3,668
      3,233
      13%
      RAM BRAND
       
      51,822
      44,878
      15%
      137,013
      113,654
      21%
      200
       
      8
      189
      -96%
      26
      659
      -96%
      300
       
      3,704
      6,223
      -40%
      8,290
      12,992
      -36%
      Town & Country
       
      0
      1
      -100%
      1
      3
      -67%
      Pacifica
       
      8,457
      13,086
      -35%
      23,274
      32,579
      -29%
      CHRYSLER BRAND
       
      12,169
      19,499
      -38%
      31,591
      46,233
      -32%
      Dart
       
      2
      87
      -98%
      8
      252
      -97%
      Avenger
       
      0
      0
      100%
      0
      1
      -100%
      Charger
       
      8,858
      8,504
      4%
      20,615
      21,265
      -3%
      Challenger
       
      6,562
      8,150
      -19%
      13,431
      17,648
      -24%
      Viper
       
      0
      6
      -100%
      1
      9
      -89%
      Journey
       
      8,513
      10,275
      -17%
      24,003
      18,419
      30%
      Caravan
       
      15,806
      16,292
      -3%
      35,440
      43,144
      -18%
      Durango
       
      6,626
      5,870
      13%
      17,019
      16,233
      5%
      DODGE BRAND
       
      46,367
      49,184
      -6%
      110,517
      116,971
      -6%
      500
       
      310
      439
      -29%
      778
      1,309
      -41%
      500L
       
      61
      173
      -65%
      168
      395
      -57%
      500X
       
      262
      607
      -57%
      755
      1,579
      -52%
      Spider
       
      214
      325
      -34%
      513
      731
      -30%
      FIAT BRAND
       
      847
      1,544
      -45%
      2,214
      4,014
      -45%
      Giulia
       
      858
      1,284
      -33%
      2,035
      3,085
      -34%
      Alfa 4C
       
      18
      22
      -18%
      41
      54
      -24%
      Stelvio
       
      898
      1,270
      -29%
      2,210
      2,653
      -17%
      ALFA ROMEO
       
      1,774
      2,576
      -31%
      4,286
      5,792
      -26%
      FCA US LLC
       
      200,307
      216,063
      -7%
      498,425
      514,769
      -3%
       
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