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3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Are people closed fist punching them? How would somebody break them off without trying?

Couple of coworkers who put stuff on their dash all the time broke theirs grabbing for their stuff. Seems to be much easier than I would have thought too.

2 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Not feeling it at all. The outside is completely unattractive to me, and if the interior is only on the level the Continental is, it's a big letdown, too.

I don't think there's anything from American automakers buy in this segment, honestly. 

Escalade :wub:

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4 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Couple of coworkers who put stuff on their dash all the time broke theirs grabbing for their stuff. Seems to be much easier than I would have thought too.

lol well if they're that stupid to put stuff behind it they deserve to break their own stuff and be inconvenienced.

Who puts things on their dash????

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8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

lol well if they're that stupid to put stuff behind it they deserve to break their own stuff and be inconvenienced.

Who puts things on their dash????

Seems plenty of people do when I search on Bing and Google.

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12 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Seems plenty of people do when I search on Bing and Google.

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Yeah, I know people do this but if they're stupid enough to do that they deserve their $h! to break when they're constantly reaching up there because they're dirty humans. There isn't one single vehicle with stuff on the dash that is also clean.

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26 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Yeah, I know people do this but if they're stupid enough to do that they deserve their $h! to break when they're constantly reaching up there because they're dirty humans. There isn't one single vehicle with stuff on the dash that is also clean.

I understand that, I am overly OCD about cleaning my auto's so my dash never has anything on it and I keep it dusted and clean.

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37 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I understand that, I am overly OCD about cleaning my auto's so my dash never has anything on it and I keep it dusted and clean.

Same here. A clean car = happy me

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Seems plenty of people do when I search on Bing and Google.

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I don't even want to be around anyone who does that much less ride in the same car as them. Just hell no!

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30 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

I don't even want to be around anyone who does that much less ride in the same car as them. Just hell no!

Creepy to just think how much bacteria and other bugs / crap is in the auto.

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2 hours ago, regfootball said:

these newer lincoln interiors really are rotten bad

Sorry, gotta call you out... how are they bad? I think they're very good, the Navigator in particular is a big step above an Escalade. 

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I am a yuge fan of the re-americanization of our luxury brands.  However my thing with these pristine Lincoln interiors is... what are they going to look like after 5 years of constant use, with all those delicate light colored finishes and those puffy outlying seat cushions... the seat cushions will be all squashed and misshaped... for right now though, wow, it looks awesome, imo.

 

Looking through the specs, I am starting to really respect the wisdom of switching to aluminum.  Getting the curb weight down to 8656 lbs in a vehicle that covers this much territory is nothing short of a miracle.

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4 hours ago, ocnblu said:

I am a yuge fan of the re-americanization of our luxury brands.  However my thing with these pristine Lincoln interiors is... what are they going to look like after 5 years of constant use, with all those delicate light colored finishes and those puffy outlying seat cushions... the seat cushions will be all squashed and misshaped... for right now though, wow, it looks awesome, imo.

 

Looking through the specs, I am starting to really respect the wisdom of switching to aluminum.  Getting the curb weight down to 8656 lbs in a vehicle that covers this much territory is nothing short of a miracle.

I agree with you on the lite colors and how dirty the interior will look like in 5 years considering that most people are slobs in their auto.

I do wonder how comfortable those seats are. My 2006 Escalade Seats are still looking like new and firm but comfy for long road trips.

2017 Nav

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2006 Escalade ESV Platinum

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I have to disagree with you on the Aluminum. This auto was heavy and they only dropped 200lbs with all the Aluminum work they supposedly did to the F150.

2017 Navigator

Curb Weight of 6297 lbs. Makes 2018 Navigator 6097 lbs. Over 500 lbs heavier than the Escalade.

https://www.edmunds.com/lincoln/navigator/2017/suv/#edm-entry-build

Escalade 5521 lbs curb weight.

https://www.vehiclehistory.com/vehicle-curb-weight-specifications/cadillac/escalade/2017

https://www.edmunds.com/cadillac/escalade/2017/#edm-entry-build

http://www.cadillac.com/crossovers-suvs/escalade-suv/standard-optional-equipment.html?ppc=MICROSOFT_700000001296812_71700000019876877_58700002108534486_p17376421571&gclid=CPjI8aGRpNMCFUHt6QodEoYFaQ

 

Navigator is a pig.

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Dude... *facepalm*  second paragraph is SARCASM.  :AH-HA:

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4 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Dude... *facepalm*  second paragraph is SARCASM.  :AH-HA:

DOH, Homer Simpson Blink Blink space look. 

Give me Beer!!!!!! :P

 

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On 4/14/2017 at 3:09 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

Sorry, gotta call you out... how are they bad? I think they're very good, the Navigator in particular is a big step above an Escalade. 

I keep saying that one of the easiest things to do is look at a competitive benchmark and improve upon it with slightly better or different ways of doing it. The Ford guys looked at the Slade's complaints and did something different. Altho in still not convinced on the interior aspect.. especially the excessive use of buttons and the lose, completely, if a lever for the tranny (ask me about my experience in a Continental if U need clarification). Nonetheless, the area where they clearly did improve is the powrrtrain. IMO, Cadillac needs to answer, if it is with supercharged Vsport Ecotec. No reason why that move should give JDN any restless nites 

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Apparently one of the reason why the weight loss isn't something to write home about is actually the frame. Ford did a lot of the aluminum work on the body to reinvest weight back into the vehicle. I predict that the 200 lbs is an honest answer, as in, yeah, new F150 platform, but we properly luxed this truck out, and made the frame super beefy.

The Expedition loses up to 300 lbs with the body material swtich.

Now competitively, it seems like the Slade has to only do two things, refresh it's interior, and get the new tranny, plus improve it's ride. 

I don't see a horrible mass of buttons, hell, this may be the best iteration of car audio and HVAC controls I have seen on an American luxury utility yet. I like the adherence to the concept, that is in a way, a move that keeps Lincoln credible. Now the dash top tablet, it's a tacky look, but it is the same screen they used on the concept, so we knew it was going to be like that for well over a year, and with people mounting their phones on to the dash like that on older cars....it's just a sign of the times that people love to have a tv they can watch football on while driving....

I think this is a good product, it has the right amount of power as the stand alone powertrain for now, and it is the first Lincoln that I would think is convincing as a complete Lincoln.

 

 

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I assume the Expedition and Navigator will still have a rear legroom and cargo space advantage from a lower floor because of the IRS when compared to the GM full sizers...

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What advantage?
2016 Suburban (130-in WB) RR seat legroom : 39.7"
2016 Expedition (131-in WB) RR seat legroom : 39.1"

Rear axle is far enough behind rear seat that suspension design is not going to impact legroom.
Even in the Explorer / Tahoe comparison, the Exp only has 0.5-in more RR seat legroom.

Load floor is a mere 1.3-in lower in Expedition (could be due to a number of contributing factors), but the Exp has about 9 CF more cargo volume to the back of the 2nd row. Not sure where Ford is picking that up, but doesn't seem to be downward.

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Would rather have a higher floor and ground clearance. Tired of all the auto's being built close to the road to minimize wind drag due to MPG needs. I am totally happy with my teen mpg on my suv's. Yes it would be great to have higher mpg, but not at a loss of what an SUV is supposed to do.

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10 hours ago, balthazar said:

What advantage?

"But there are only 32 cubes of cargo space with the rear-most row folded flat, versus 43 in the Ford. That’s largely a result of the higher load floor necessary to clear the Chevy’s solid rear axle. Third-row seating here should be reserved for children and adults you don't like."

"Not only does the Expedition’s independent rear suspension make for a steadier ride over rough terrain, its superior packaging permits a lower cargo floor that’s much easier to load with gear. When it comes to seating, the eight-passenger Expedition shines with a three-abreast middle bench and a third row that can seat real full-size adults. Plus, both rows fold flat. "

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-chevrolet-tahoe-ltz-vs-2015-ford-expedition-platinum-comparison-test

23 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Would rather have a higher floor and ground clearance. Tired of all the auto's being built close to the road to minimize wind drag due to MPG needs. I am totally happy with my teen mpg on my suv's. Yes it would be great to have higher mpg, but not at a loss of what an SUV is supposed to do.

For the 1% who actually need more ground clearance it isn't worth building around that. I think these already fit over parking blocks. lol

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42 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

"But there are only 32 cubes of cargo space with the rear-most row folded flat, versus 43 in the Ford. That’s largely a result of the higher load floor necessary to clear the Chevy’s solid rear axle. Third-row seating here should be reserved for children and adults you don't like."

"Not only does the Expedition’s independent rear suspension make for a steadier ride over rough terrain, its superior packaging permits a lower cargo floor that’s much easier to load with gear. When it comes to seating, the eight-passenger Expedition shines with a three-abreast middle bench and a third row that can seat real full-size adults. Plus, both rows fold flat. "

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-chevrolet-tahoe-ltz-vs-2015-ford-expedition-platinum-comparison-test

For the 1% who actually need more ground clearance it isn't worth building around that. I think these already fit over parking blocks. lol

Yes the SUV do already fit over the parking blocks, but they have destroyed the fronts of so many cars.

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Would rather have a higher floor and ground clearance. Tired of all the auto's being built close to the road to minimize wind drag due to MPG needs. I am totally happy with my teen mpg on my suv's. Yes it would be great to have higher mpg, but not at a loss of what an SUV is supposed to do.

What is the point of having " all that ground clearance " when you have a front air dam 2" off the pavement? 

Yes, I'm referring to the GM K2XX platform.

 

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1 minute ago, FordCosworth said:

What is the point of having " all that ground clearance " when you have a front air dam 2" off the pavement? 

Yes, I'm referring to the GM K2XX platform.

 

I agree and that is why so many of us loved @ocnblu truck when he took off the stupid airdam and recovered that nice clean ground clearance.

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20 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Yes the SUV do already fit over the parking blocks, but they have destroyed the fronts of so many cars.

What do you mean? Like in accidents? or the styling?

10 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I agree and that is why so many of us loved @ocnblu truck when he took off the stupid airdam and recovered that nice clean ground clearance.

I'd do it more for looks than ground clearance. I assume with the vehicles ocn has and is considering ground clearance isn't a concern of his either so it's likely he did it for the looks as well. So few people need that extra couple of inches that it isn't worth selling them that way unless it's a performance variant like the ZR2 and Raptor.

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19 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

What do you mean? Like in accidents? or the styling?

My notice is that the cement parking blocks seem to be much higher than the cars now since the introduction of air dams and as such, people are pulling into parking spots and ripping off or heavily damaging their front bumper area. Then you have an ugly look. 

Most cars now cannot pull into the parking space till the tires hit the parking block due to the air dam

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If you do, many end up with this type of ugly look.

frontbumperairdamdamage.jpg

Yet others end up having the lower section just ripped off.

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      CT4-V
      To say we're a bit surprised that Cadillac is showing off the performance variant of their upcoming entry-level sedan would be an understatement - the reveal of the standard CT4 is expected to happen in a few weeks. Aimed at the likes of the Audi S3 and Mercedes-AMG A45, the CT4-V uses a 2.7L turbo-four from the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra. It makes 320 horsepower and 369 pound-feet of torque. Power flows through a 10-speed automatic to either rear or all four wheels. No manual is available. Other mechanical bits to be aware of are four-piston brake calipers at all corners, and Magnetic Ride Control being standard on RWD models - AWD sticks with conventional shocks.
      Design-wise, the CT4-V looks like it could be mid-cycle facelift for the ATS with a similar profile. The front end mimics the larger CT5 with a wide grille and unique headlight shape. Around back, there is a boat tail effect for the trunk lid with a small lip spoiler and quad tailpipes.
      CT5-V
      Cadillac appears to be playing it quiet with the CT5-V's design. The only bits that set it apart from the standard model are the dark trim, quad-tailpipes, rear diffuser, and new wheels. Under the hood is a twin-turbo 3.0L V6 making 355 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque. For those keeping score, that's 20 more horsepower than the CT5 with this same engine, while torque is unchanged. Like the CT4-V, the CT5 routes power through a 10-speed automatic and either rear- or all-wheel drive. An electronically controlled limited-slip differential, Magnetic Ride Control, Performance Traction Management system, and four-piston brakes finish off the changes.
      The CT4-V and CT5-V are expected to go on sale early next year.
      Our Big Concern
      We find ourselves wondering what is Cadillac thinking? On paper, these models make more sense as V-Sport models considering what's being presented. Badging them as V dilutes hardcore image that the past few models have brought forth. Why is Cadillac doing this? Autoblog may have an answer. According to a Cadillac representative, the brand is wanting to bring in a broader set of buyers to showrooms, hence they are making them less hardcore. This will allow them to bring V versions of other models like their crossovers. But there are hardcore versions coming in the pipeline according to the rep.
      Still, we can't help but wonder if GM has done their classic move of shooting themselves in the foot.
      Source: Cadillac


      Cadillac Reveals First-Ever CT4-V and CT5-V
      Expanded lineup adds more choices for spirited performance. Highlights include available Super Cruise, AWD, Magnetic Ride Control 4.0, eLSD and new V-Mode Driven by Cadillac’s latest turbocharging technology and building on more than 15 years of performance credentials, the first-ever 2020 CT4-V and CT5-V were unveiled today, expanding choices for the brand’s V-Series performance sub-brand.
      Following the 2019 CT6-V, they grow the V-Series family with even more levels of performance, while preserving the lineage established by the original V-Series lineup introduced in 2004.   
      “The new V-Series sedan lineup defines modern sophistication by combining luxury appointments with thoughtful technology and athletic refinement for the discerning enthusiast,” said Brandon Vivian, Cadillac executive chief engineer. “We are inviting even more customers into the V-Series family by adding a new level of elevated performance between our Sport models and the ultimate, high-performance track capability that the V-Series has grown to represent.”
      The first-ever CT4 and recently introduced CT5 represent Cadillac’s realigned sedan portfolio, characterized by new proportions, innovative technologies and more appearance and performance choices. Each is built on Cadillac’s award-winning rear-wheel-drive Alpha architecture, with the V-Series models developed to deliver the ultimate blend of performance, presence and road-going refinement.
      Both share the latest standard V-Series performance technologies, including Magnetic Ride Control 4.0, which is tuned specifically for V models to enhance comfort without sacrificing performance-oriented responsiveness, and drive modes that include new V-Mode personalization. Each model is available in RWD or AWD and features a 10-speed automatic transmission, Brembo front brakes with eBoost electronic assist and a limited-slip rear differential on CT4-V and electronic limited-slip differential on CT5-V.
      Cadillac’s exclusive Super Cruise1, the first true hands-free driver assistance feature for the freeway, is available on more than 130,000 miles of limited-access freeways in the U.S. and Canada. It will be available on both new V-Series models.  
      “The new lineup expands the V-Series ethos, drawing more customers into the Cadillac Performance family, and the newest Vs are focused on elevated athleticism and luxurious refinement for customers wanting a dynamic daily drive,” said Mark Reuss, GM president. “And this is only the beginning of the V family. Cadillac’s passion for performance shines on a racetrack. Stay tuned.”
      Vehicle highlights

      CT5-V — The first-ever CT5-V builds on the precision-focused details of the all-new luxury sedan introduced earlier this year to offer elevated road performance and an engaging driving experience.  
      Powered by Cadillac’s high-output 3.0L Twin Turbo V-6 engine, which uses low-inertia turbochargers to enhance power production across the rpm band. It is rated at a Cadillac-estimated 355 horsepower (265 kW), pending SAE certification. 10-speed automatic transmission. Electronic limited-slip rear differential. Standard RWD and available AWD. V-Series performance chassis with Magnetic Ride Control 4.0. Performance Traction Management. Vehicle Control Mode with customizable V-Mode. Brembo front braking system. 19-inch wheels and summer-only performance tires2 (all-season tires available with AWD). Dark exterior accents and V-Series mesh grilles; unique rear diffuser and quad exhaust tips. Super Cruise1 available. Unique performance persona instrument cluster and V-Mode steering wheel control. CT4-V — Developed for a new generation of sedan customers, the first-ever CT4 blends nimble handling and Cadillac’s signature technology. The CT4-V takes these traits further, infusing the brand’s racing DNA for a dynamic, responsive and exhilarating driving experience.   
      Powered by Cadillac’s high-output 2.7L Turbo engine featuring a unique three-step sliding camshaft that helps optimize performance at all speeds. It is rated at a Cadillac-estimated 320 horsepower (239 kW), pending SAE certification. 10-speed automatic. Limited-slip rear differential. V-Series performance chassis with Magnetic Ride Control 4.0 (on RWD) or ZF MVS passive dampers (on AWD). Vehicle Control Mode with customizable V-Mode. Brembo front braking system. 18-inch wheels and summer-only performance tires2 (all-season tires available with AWD). Near-perfect 50/50 weight distribution for an exceptional feeling of balance and control. Dark exterior accents and V-Series mesh grilles; quad exhaust tips, unique rear spoiler design that helps reduce rear lift while increasing grip for the rear tires. Super Cruise1 available. Unique performance persona instrument cluster and V-Mode steering wheel control. MORE TO COME
      The CT4-V and CT5-V go on sale early in the 2020 calendar year, with production at GM’s Lansing Grand River facility in Michigan. Additional product information, as well as details on additional V-Series variants and CT4 Luxury, Premium Luxury and Sport models, will be announced at a later date.
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