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2030 all new gas / diesel autos are to be banned in Israel & Denmark.


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The ministry of Energy in Israel made the announcement that in 12 years, Israel would be fully reliant on Natural Gas, Solar and Wind power to support the nation for electricity and transportation. 2030 is the year all gas / diesel ICE auto's will be banned. Companies that need medium and heavy duty trucks will have to buy Natural Gas trucks and for consumers all choices will be electric or natural gas. This is on top of stopping all importation of Coal from the US and changing their energy plants to 100% Natural Gas and adding wind turbines off the coast and solar throughout the country.

The goal is 83% natural gas and 17% renewable energy production for the country starting in 2030. Currently the country as of today is 71% natural gas, 27% coal and 2% renewable. They have managed due to contract obligations long term to reduce their reliance on outside needs and coal as an example will only be used as a backup source as they complete their obligations under contracts to the US.

Israel discovered in 2010 the Leviathan field 10KM or 6 miles off their coast what is considered to be one of the world's largest natural gas fields and comes online January 2019. This field is expected to reduce to zero their reliance on the US for natural gas exports. Israel has signed deals to supply Jordan, Egypt with Billions of cubic feet of natural gas over the next 10-15 years. This comes on top of the Tamar gas field that was discovered in 2009 and started production in 2013. By 2020 Israel is expected to be energy independent for the first time. As the supply lines are finished to Jordan and Egypt, natural gas delivery will start in the 4th quarter of 2019.

We then have Denmark who has also announced the end of all gas / diesel new car sales by 2030. Yet here is where they have diverged from the rest of europe that will allow existing auto's to stay on the road till replaced / retired. Denmark has announced that due to the vote of the people, 17 years from now or 2035 all auto's period allowed on the roads must be electric. This means if you have an old auto you like and want to keep it running, you will have to convert to electric.

As it stands here is the current date of new gas / diesel auto sales banned:

  • 2025 - Norway
  • 2030 - France, Netherlands, Ireland, India, Austria, Japan, Netherlands, Portugal, Korea, Spain and Israel
  • 2030 - Cities that  will ban new gas / diesel auto sales are Athens, Madrid and Mexico City
  • 2040 - The UK has set this as the date for the end of new ICE auto sales.
  • The following places have set electric auto sales targets - China, US, Japan, Canada, Norway, UK, France, Germany, Netherlands and Sweden.
  • 2050 all of the European Union will only be allowed to sell electric auto's.

China will have a major effect on the world as they have stated percentage goals for new auto sales for a company with 2019 being the start with 10% of all new auto sales per company must be electric. This goes up every year, it was 8% in 2018, 10% for 2019, 12% for 2020 and so on for the Chinese ZEV mandate. China is currently on track this year to sell one million electric auto's, 149% increase over 2017.

Overall, countries around the world are pushing to change the way things have been which will have a large impact on the original oil producing OPEC nations. Independance from reliance on energy from other countries is at an all time high as countries move to have no reliance on other places and be self sustaining by using renewable energy or existing forms of energy they have discovered.

Times of Israel Story

UPI Story

CNN Business Story.

Investors Story on China Electric auto sales

Electrek story on China EV sales

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1 minute ago, ykX said:

In Israel, it doesn't say it will be banned, just says they forecast that they will be fully reliant on natural gas.

All the stories say new auto sales are to be banned.

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3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

All the stories say new auto sales are to be banned.

"Energy minister to present plan to reduce pollution, strengthen ‘peace axis’ through sole use of natural gas and alternative fuels for energy production and transportation"

It is a plan that will be presented and will require approval of the government, which will not be easy.

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16 minutes ago, ykX said:

"Energy minister to present plan to reduce pollution, strengthen ‘peace axis’ through sole use of natural gas and alternative fuels for energy production and transportation"

It is a plan that will be presented and will require approval of the government, which will not be easy.

Yes it says that at the start and then just below it it stays:

 Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz said at an energy conference in Tel Aviv. “From 2030 onwards, the State of Israel will create alternatives and will no longer allow the import of cars that run on gasoline and diesel fuel.”

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13 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Yes it says that at the start and then just below it it stays:

 Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz said at an energy conference in Tel Aviv. “From 2030 onwards, the State of Israel will create alternatives and will no longer allow the import of cars that run on gasoline and diesel fuel.”

It is not a law yet.  Might be soon but not yet.

It will be interesting though if it actually goes through.  

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35 minutes ago, ykX said:

It is not a law yet.  Might be soon but not yet.

It will be interesting though if it actually goes through.  

Cool, weird read as the story is written as if it is law but then parts written as if they are proposing changes. Weird, Thank you for your input on it.

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33 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Cool, weird read as the story is written as if it is law but then parts written as if they are proposing changes. Weird, Thank you for your input on it.

It might work in a small country like Israel, but only if there will be a good infrastructure and good selection of cars to choose from.  If they start now on the infrastructure, it might be feasible by 2030.

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10 minutes ago, ykX said:

It might work in a small country like Israel, but only if there will be a good infrastructure and good selection of cars to choose from.  If they start now on the infrastructure, it might be feasible by 2030.

I would agree, they have been building out a couple thousand charge points a year and the various stories tend to imply they will be speeding up the ability to have charge points everywhere but nothing about what level or type. Be interesting as norway is on this push also to have the country all EV in the near future. So should be a gauge for bigger places on how they need to implement the charge infrastructure. Course the VW build out will help the US big time.

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Won't matter in terms of Israel. All the surrounding nations have enough Toyota trucks to last until the year 2565. At which point it will no longer mattet because we will all be mutants.

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36 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Won't matter in terms of Israel. All the surrounding nations have enough Toyota trucks to last until the year 2565. At which point it will no longer mattet because we will all be mutants.

Is this what you mean? :smilewide:

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https://www.magazinauto.com/mutant-kad-se-spoje-toyota-prius-subaru-baja/ 

I have no idea why someone would want to merge a Prius with a Baja subaru, but I figure this is about as close as a Toyota Mutant I could find 500 plus years early! :rofl:

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34 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Is this what you mean? :smilewide:

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https://www.magazinauto.com/mutant-kad-se-spoje-toyota-prius-subaru-baja/ 

I have no idea why someone would want to merge a Prius with a Baja subaru, but I figure this is about as close as a Toyota Mutant I could find 500 plus years early! :rofl:

Ocnblu doesn't have an excuse not to go hybrid with that sexy thing. The streets of Lancaster Pennsylvania  will never be safe from this thing and it's manly wrath towards lesser automobiles.

Wonder if Israel will allow ICE if it is powered by Hummus?

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Denmark is a mixed bag. Until the beginning of last year, it had significant electric car incentives in place and EV sales were fairly brisk. Then it reversed course and watched sales plunge from many thousands to a few hundred.

To offer more specifics, 2015 saw 4,762 plug-in car registrations in Denmark, 2016 saw 1,438, and 2017 saw just 913.

Still have to pay people to drive EV. The take-away from that is there will be strong opposition to the implementation of a ban. Median household income in Denmark is $38K US. People are not going to be able to 1. afford EVs unless heavily subsidized, and 2. not going to be able to afford conversion.

Big Gov't likes to talk the talk, we'll see if the talk flies.

 

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33 minutes ago, balthazar said:

 

Still have to pay people to drive EV. The take-away from that is there will be strong opposition to the implementation of a ban. Median household income in Denmark is $38K US. People are not going to be able to 1. afford EVs unless heavily subsidized, and 2. not going to be able to afford conversion.

Big Gov't likes to talk the talk, we'll see if the talk flies.

 

Plus taxes on everything in Denmark are sky high.

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57 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Plus taxes on everything in Denmark are sky high.

Bloody royal family takes 50% due to their socialist crap.

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