Jump to content

The Cars.com 2020 American-Made Index: Which Cars Are Most American?


Recommended Posts

I know not everyone agrees with this rating, but nevertheless here it is:

Cars.com

1. Ford Ranger (assembled in Wayne, Mich.) 
2. Jeep Cherokee (Belvidere, Ill.)
3. Tesla Model S (Fremont, Calif.) 
4. Tesla Model 3 (Fremont, Calif.) 
5. Honda Odyssey (Lincoln, Ala.)
6. Honda Ridgeline (Lincoln, Ala.) 
7. Honda Passport (Lincoln, Ala.) 
8. Chevrolet Corvette (Bowling Green, Ky.)
9. Tesla Model X (Fremont, Calif.) 
10. Chevrolet Colorado (Wentzville, Mo.)
11. GMC Canyon (Wentzville, Mo.) 
12. Chevrolet Camaro (Lansing, Mich.) 
13. Honda Pilot (Lincoln, Ala.) 
14. Acura RDX (East Liberty, Ohio)
15. Honda Accord (Marysville, Ohio)
16. Toyota Tundra (San Antonio)
17. Acura MDX (East Liberty, Ohio) 
18. Cadillac CT5 (Lansing, Mich.)
19. Cadillac XT4 (Kansas City, Kan.) 
20. Ford Expedition, Expedition Max (Louisville, Ky.)
21. Cadillac XT6 (Spring Hill, Tenn.) 
22. GMC Acadia (Spring Hill, Tenn.)
23. Cadillac XT5 (Spring Hill, Tenn.) 
24. Lincoln Aviator (Chicago) 
25. Acura TLX (Marysville, Ohio) 
26. Jeep Grand Cherokee (Detroit)
27. Toyota Highlander (Princeton, Ind.) 
28. Lexus ES (Georgetown, Ky.) 
29. Toyota Avalon (Georgetown, Ky.)
30. Chevrolet Suburban (Arlington, Texas) 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 53
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

From my experience as an engineer, in most cases (not always) bad engineering like you describe is a result of a bad management and unreasonable constrains management and accounting put on engineer. 

I totally agree and one reason my own computers at home last so long. I buy enterprise type hardware rather than retail based products. Yes more expensive, but built to last much longer than retail. 

Latest JD Powers Initial Quality Study Contrary to a popular believe when manufacturer deserves recognition it gets it.  GM is above average and much higher than Toyota and Honda.  Koreans are ki

Posted Images

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Nah; the ‘big picture’ list; the one that takes into account the company’s in-country investments etc.

Current info is only up to 2017. Report here:https://apps.bea.gov/international/xls/mousa-all-value-added.xls

https://www.bea.gov/international/di1fdiop

Link to post
Share on other sites

Why dont we ask the reverse question? (and actually answer the question...)

How much Japanese are these cars?

5. Honda Odyssey (Lincoln, Ala.) |
6. Honda Ridgeline (Lincoln, Ala.) 
7. Honda Passport (Lincoln, Ala.) 
13. Honda Pilot (Lincoln, Ala.) 
14. Acura RDX (East Liberty, Ohio) 
15. Honda Accord (Marysville, Ohio)
16. Toyota Tundra (San Antonio) 
17. Acura MDX (East Liberty, Ohio) 

25. Acura TLX (Marysville, Ohio) 
27. Toyota Highlander (Princeton, Ind.) 
28. Lexus ES (Georgetown, Ky.)
29. Toyota Avalon (Georgetown, Ky.) 

And then we will get a more clear picture of how much American those cars above REALLY are...

 

 

Edited by oldshurst442
  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

Why dont we ask the reverse question? (and actually answer the question...)

How much Japanese are these cars?

5. Honda Odyssey (Lincoln, Ala.) |
6. Honda Ridgeline (Lincoln, Ala.) 
7. Honda Passport (Lincoln, Ala.) 
13. Honda Pilot (Lincoln, Ala.) 
14. Acura RDX (East Liberty, Ohio) 
15. Honda Accord (Marysville, Ohio)
16. Toyota Tundra (San Antonio) 
17. Acura MDX (East Liberty, Ohio) 

25. Acura TLX (Marysville, Ohio) 
27. Toyota Highlander (Princeton, Ind.) 
28. Lexus ES (Georgetown, Ky.)
29. Toyota Avalon (Georgetown, Ky.) 

And then we will get a more clear picture of how much American those cars above REALLY are...

 

 

Good Question, Suprising to see, Honda has some of the most American Content than many American brand auto's. Honda used to advertise just how American their cars were at one time.

Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, balthazar said:

“Honda has American content...” 
That’s the thorn right there.

Who's fault is it that Honda has substantially more US made parts and designed, builds and assembles most of its US market cars and crossovers here than GM?

People argue that at the end of the day corporation is foreign and profits go abroad.  However, IMO it doesn't matter if the the majority of paying JOBS building that car are here, jobs that provide livelihood to many Americans.  If Honda can do that there is no reason GM or Ford couldn't do that either if they wanted.   However, these corporations (and many more) are controlled by accountants that only care about saving few cents and making more profits for shareholders and the top brass.

I would rather have MDX (that's on the 17s place) than Buick Enclave (51s)

  • Upvote 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, dfelt said:

Good Question, Suprising to see, Honda has some of the most American Content than many American brand auto's. Honda used to advertise just how American their cars were at one time.

No surprise... Honda has been investing in manufacturing here in Ohio for 30+ years, while GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been closing plants here.

Edited by Robert Hall
Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, balthazar said:

GM & Ford have been investing in manufacturing in the U.S. for 112 and 117 years.

But they have been divesting for 40+ years, moving a lot of work to Mexico, SK, etc.

Edited by Robert Hall
  • Upvote 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Vast majority of production for the US market are still US plants & support entities.
And the grand total of US investment over time is astronomical.

If we're going to embrace 'globalism' of the industry, then we likewise 'should' trumpet GM running plants in other countries, no? Not me, but maybe you.

Question; are South Carolina mercedes' "American" vehicles?

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Loss of market share is why GM and Ford and FCA have closed plants.  Demand went elsewhere (Honda, Toyota etc.).

What is more "American": a Hyundai/KIA built in Alabama, a BMW built in SC, or a GM built in Spring Hill TN?

Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Vast majority of production for the US market are still US plants & support entities.

Chevy Silverado US content is 46%

Out of the top 20 cars/ trucks the split is :

GM - 4 vehicles

Ford - 2

Honda - 7

Toyota - 3

So please tell me which company supports US manufacturing more?

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

GM and Ford.
And Chrysler is a wholly-owned foreign subsidiary.

Unfortunately the numbers tell a different story.

Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, ykX said:

24. Lincoln Aviator (Chicago)

Why any company would use IL as a manufacturing state blows my mind. I have to believe they're getting bent over on taxes and other crap compared to...most other states. 

They also fckd this launch up with all sorts of vehicle issues... 

Link to post
Share on other sites
45 minutes ago, ykX said:

So please tell me which company supports US manufacturing more?

when American society in general STOPS treating the American worker as the enemy, then maybe manufacturing will return to the US...

Its all about dollars and cents.  And when the American worker...ALL WORKERS are looked at being as monetary liabilities and are exposed to be the MAIN go-to cost cutting measures to beef up the bottom line, then what do you expect American manufacturing to do?   They just follow what the rest of the country does.  They shyte on the American worker and dont give him any jobs...

That is NOT just a Ford, GM, Chrysler thing.     

There is a war with minimum wage workers in the US...  American people dont want minimum wage workers to make a decent living.  American people want minimum wage workers to just go away. They are a nuisance to them.   They are poor, uneducated and dont serve them properly.  American people want their minimum wage workers to get an education and to quit their minimum wage job if they arent happy with the conditions of them serving the rest of us...

On the other hand, the UAW has one over the corporations and these guys make money hand over fist, and yet, American people HATE the UAW for that...

But...American people have NO PROBLEMS with CEOs making tons of money, phoquing us all up the butt, because they made us believe they deserve the salary they do because they are soooooo much better and smarter than the rest of us. They cheat on their taxes, they find loopholes in the tax system, they inside trade and make all their brotherhoods even richer...  They convinced us that the average worker in the US should be limited in pay, they convinced us that EVEN CHEAPER labour SHOULD be attained in other lands so we could CONTINUE to buy the useless shyte they peddle...and all that useless shyte they peddle, SHOULD NOT be built in the US. Why?

1. too expensive to be built in the US

2. American build quality is shyte compared to the Germans and the Japanese.

3.  Chinese made American products, its OK for THAT tombe built like shyte because we could just throw THAT out to buy new new new shytlly made Chinese produced American product...

 

Its all phoquing surreal....

Here we are, and for the last 30-40 years, we continue to have this stupid discussion of what is more American. A Toyota or a Chevrolet.    

For the same criteria, we dont even QUESTION  if a Mercedes and BMW SUV built in the US IS American...we simply say its German...   (doesnt fit the German engineering is better than American cars motif the German companies brainwashed us with as opposed to what the Japanese are brainwashing us with...)

We wage war on the American worker on a daily basis, yet we fakely defend American manufacturing...

45 minutes ago, ykX said:

Chevy Silverado US content is 46%

Out of the top 20 cars/ trucks the split is :

GM - 4 vehicles

Ford - 2

Honda - 7

Toyota - 3

So please tell me which company supports US manufacturing more?

So...@ykX   

Do you believe the shyte rag of a mag that is consumer's report that American cars are subpar to cars like a Toyota?

And...why do you believe that?

Is it because American workers are pathetic?

Well, the Camry is built in America...

Is it because you think the Japanese have tighter tolerances and impose that on their American factories and the American car makers dont?   I know for a fact that Toyota had a really bad stretch for reliability...but yet, that shyte narrative is still parrotted.

What about the Germans?  Their cars always seem to be handicapped by reliability issues... Cars built in Germany versus cars built in the US, maybe?     So it MUST BE that American workers are shyte...

So...why are you KNOW defending American manufacturing?  

Which is it?  You cant have it both ways...

And to which is why THIS discussion is such a shyte discussion.  Its all over the place. Its MOSTLY corporate bullshyte that has brainwashed the American people for FAR to long...

GM and Ford is both a victim and a culprit for this.  But its mostly the American people's fault for allowing corporations and politicians to dictate to them how they should feel and act and  that have ALLOWED this mess to happen in the first place...

 

Edited by oldshurst442
  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

@balthazar

Numbers in that index rating and other surveys.    If you have different numbers, please share.

@oldshurst442

What the hell are you talking about?

First of all this is not from Consumer Reports, this is Cars.com index.

Secondary no one said anything about quality or reliability.  This is just index of US made content of different models. 

Speaking of quality, if Honda can build pretty much all of their US market vehicles here with a majority of parts manufactured here as well and have good, actually very good quality, so should "phocking" Ford!  

Instead they save pennies by outsourcing manufacturing and build sh@t.

I am all for building stuff in US and I think GM and Ford should do it more here.

 

Edited by ykX
  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

It is a shame to see the best selling vehicles in the US(F150, Silverado, RAM 1500) not being on this list. 

3 hours ago, ykX said:

Who's fault is it that Honda has substantially more US made parts and designed, builds and assembles most of its US market cars and crossovers here than GM?

People argue that at the end of the day corporation is foreign and profits go abroad.  However, IMO it doesn't matter if the the majority of paying JOBS building that car are here, jobs that provide livelihood to many Americans.  If Honda can do that there is no reason GM or Ford couldn't do that either if they wanted.   However, these corporations (and many more) are controlled by accountants that only care about saving few cents and making more profits for shareholders and the top brass.

I would rather have MDX (that's on the 17s place) than Buick Enclave (51s)

GM and Ford are strangleholded(is that a word..?) by their got damn unions. They need to get rid of them.  

Edited by ccap41
Link to post
Share on other sites
29 minutes ago, ykX said:

@balthazar

Numbers in that index rating and other surveys.    If you have different numbers, please share.

@oldshurst442

What the hell are you talking about?

First of all this is not from Consumer Reports, this is Cras.com index.

Secondary no one said anything about quality or reliability.  This is just index of US made content of different models. 

Speaking of quality, if Honda can build pretty much all of their US market vehicles here with a majority of parts manufactured here as well and have good, actually very good quality, so should "phocking" Ford!  

Instead they save pennies by outsourcing manufacturing and build sh@t.

I am all for building stuff in US and I think GM and Ford should do it more here.

 

You know what Im talking about...

Dont act coy...

Secondly...one MAIN reason of why we are having a Honda/Toyota discussion of why it may be "American" is the market share they both have gained in your (and my) country at the expense of Ford, GM, Chrysler and  its BECAUSE of build quality arguments..   And...Consumer Reports  is one of these shyte rag mags that has influenced you with this BS. 

29 minutes ago, ykX said:

Speaking of quality, if Honda can build pretty much all of their US market vehicles here with a majority of parts manufactured here as well and have good, actually very good quality, so should "phocking" Ford!  

You see...  you fell for that hook, line a sinker...    Does Consumer Reports shyte on Honda with their transmission problems the way they have sh@t on GM, Ford or Chrysler?    

And here we are, with Honda's transmission problems that stem from the 1980s all the way to 2010...and YOU dont even bat an eyelash for...but you shyte on Ford...      

29 minutes ago, ykX said:

Instead they save pennies by outsourcing manufacturing and build sh@t

So...why do you think the US is in the place that it is in concerning ALL manufacturing...not just automotive...but we will stick to the automotive narrative. 

Is it because American car workers are pathetic?

Well, the Camry and Corolla is built in America...  and we all know that the Camry and Corolla are the best damned cars in the world...

Is it because you think the Japanese have tighter tolerances and impose that on their American factories and the American car makers dont?   I know for a fact that Toyota had a really bad stretch for reliability...including said Camrys and Corollas, but yet, that shyte narrative is still parrotted.

What about the Germans?  Their cars always seem to be handicapped by reliability issues... Cars built in Germany versus cars built in the US, maybe?     So it MUST BE that American workers are shyte...  

Or is it because Ford, GM and Chrysler cant make cars worth a damn?   (Dont forget, Honda, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, VW, Audi...ALL have had reliability problems over the years...)

In case you missed what Im saying is:

German vehicles built in the US are German, because THAT is the popular narrative that the the German companies want Americans to believe in.

Japanese vehicles built in the US are somewhat American BECAUSE of "American content" BECAUSE THAT is the narrative the Japanese companies want Americans to believe in.

And POLITICIANS that play BOTH side of the fence want to shyte on American car companies for building cars in the US AND for them building cars OUTSIDE the US...well...for POLITICAL purposes and THAT is what these guys want Americans to be divided on... 

Question is

What the phoque are YOU going to do to get jobs and manufacturing BACK to the United States of America?    (general question not necessarily direct ONLY towards @ykX, but to ALL Americans)

 

Are you gonna start DEFENDING US car makers and the American car worker and American workers in general?

Or are you gonna continue to shyte on the American worker?  

Which ALSO means that you have to put pressure on American corporations to ACTUALLY PAY the worker what he is worth and to PRODUCE product IN THE US but THAT also means that YOU...THE AMERICAN CONSUMER...MUST START THINKING ABOUT PAYING FOR AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE THAT PRODUCT IS MADE IN AMERICA...

NO MORE  MADE IN CHINA...

BUT IT STARTS WITH YOU...THE AMERICAN CONSUMER...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by oldshurst442
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, ykX said:

Chevy Silverado US content is 46%

Out of the top 20 cars/ trucks the split is :

GM - 4 vehicles

Ford - 2

Honda - 7

Toyota - 3

So please tell me which company supports US manufacturing more?

Lincoln Aviator..? 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




About us

CheersandGears.com - Founded 2001

We ♥ Cars

Get in touch

Follow us

Recent tweets

facebook

×
×
  • Create New...