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RE: the Dynacorn shells - read this elsewhere & found it very much along the lines of what I posted above : "'ve had several vehicles with Dynacorn bodies (a '67 Mustang and a Bronco) and the quality was quite good. The guys who built them said that it was nice having all virgin sheetmetal to work with and that for the most part, the quality was good. Their biggest complaints were that sometimes OEM or repro parts from other manufacturers don't fit very well--it seems that Dynacorn uses Dynacorn parts for their tooling so your NOS fenders or hood might not fit without some tweaking on the reproduction body. The second thing--and they ALL griped about this--was that they had no idea how many little parts they would need to buy to make it complete. When you start with a complete car, you have all the little clips and fasteners and tacking strips and what-not that you will need to put it back together. When you start with a bare shell, you get none of that, so not only do you have to track all that down, you don't have a guide to even tell you what you need. An assembly manual can be invaluable in this regard, but they still said that they spent more time and money than expected tracking down all that little stuff that they needed and it added up to a substantial chunk of change that they didn't expect to spend. Even if you're not going 100% stock, you'll still need a lot of those little parts, which definitely add up. The guy who did the Bronco said he'd probably just use a factory truck in the future, no matter how rusty, just because he can fix the rust for less than it cost to buy all that stuff that he would have gotten with a complete vehicle."

^ Right? OEMs are killing their bottom line with unique EV models. It's a powertrain; ideologically just like a 4-cyl or V6 (I realize the packaging is totally different). The first OEM to develop the unilateral body architecture, they're going to have a real leg up on the competition, balance sheet wise.

Ideally, an EV powertrain should be an option on a regular production vehicle. IE; engineer a model/body to fit over either- the GM skateboard concept seems to make the most sense. The ROI of 1. a true EV vehicle coupled with 2. a unique design inside & out is putting these vehicles automatically in the red going out the door. I see no reason that the -say- honda accord isn't available with the clarity's EV powertrain with 90% of the same look.

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Whoa- advocating death for a difference of opinion is a bit unhinged. Not sure you want to come off as a wing-nut, Dave. WHOA. We've all read other predictions (not necessarily from industry analysts) that EVs would gobble up 50% of the market by 2030. But who has been saying EVs won't see 25% by 2050? And actually; 2018 sales will be at 2.0%- the article has the figure wrong. Huffpost tends to garble their facts on a regular basis. But it still took 20 years to get to just a wee 2%.

Hope Koch Brothers die an ugly death soon. They are spending millions to attack the lovely EV industry. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/koch-electric-vehicles_us_56c4d63ce4b0b40245c8cbf6 Death to these pigs!

I appreciate the 'in terms of the segment it competes in'. That's the way to describe the segment in general...the EcoSport, C-HR are so fugly that even Hyundai makes a better entry than those! I just hope that GM will have CT6 parts available maybe 8 years down the line, I will be looking to get my dad into one for surprise. I wouldn't be able to afford running, clean vintage one like he remembers from reading about America decades ago. In Canada they have no RWD model, which to me is a bummer as I'd rather buy a set of winter tires and have him enjoy the RWD which even he grew up with.

'60 Bonneville. SO fabulous! - - - - -

Trading on nostalgia for a 50 y.o. fastback is NOT a sustainable business model. I highly doubt they will succeed.

But my point was in 1993 lots of rebuildable cores existed. Not so much now. Also...if you were 30 in 1966 and bought a new Mustang...you would be 82 now. Not exactly prime age for rolling around on a garage floor underneath a rusty relic. I love vintage Mustangs but around here all of the clubs and restoration shops dried up years ago. And it has been a long damn time since I have seen someone under 70 driving a vintage Mustang. I mean...I would love to see the 65 to 73 stang make a comeback...but just like the Clinton and Bush families that day is way past.

Well, no. Dow was right about 17,500 when Trump was elected, so it's still up 4000 pts from then. Beyond that, the S&P was up 19.4% last year alone, so the bump is even greater if you're in it for the long term. This is not to dismiss the 5000 pt drop from the peak tho. - - - - -

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Agreed, we have been long overdue for a correction. https://money.cnn.com/data/markets/ Apple is down to $146 and change. Over all this week to the end of the year will be profit taking and I would not be surprised to see the market hit 20K and then bounce back up to around 21-22k. The KKR published in mid 2017 saying the US would be in a deep recession by the end of 2019. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-13/kkr-predicts-us-recession-2019-and-inevitable-cycle-millennial-deleveraging Now many various places are saying it too and it seems the drop in stock market, over long crazy trillion dollars of debt by businesses and the billions in personal debt will take us there. It is going to be interesting to see what all happens next year.

I sometimes go to purchase things at that large enterprise based in Arkansas and get out of there quickly to avoid any potential theatrics and drama. Today, as I was walking back to my car, I saw a Buick Roadmaster wagon with the wood grain paneling and alloy wheels, along with the cascading Parthenon grille and trademark Buick hood ornament. Its exterior was in good condition for its age, but not in great condition. I couldn't take a photo because the driver and his friend were getting into it to drive off. I asked if it was a 5.0 (307) or 5.7 (350). They said it was a 307. They said it only had a little over 70,000 miles on it. When it turned over, the engine note was pure Rocket V8 magic, although they don't purr as quietly once they get older in either miles or years. The small block GM 350 V8 (whether Olds Rocket, Chevy, etc.) has made the list of the Top 10 Engines of all time. I believe the Buick 3800 V6 is also on that list. I am glad to have owned 2 of the engines on that list, with the former in my very first car and the latter in my last and current car! Happy holidays, folks.

Almost all of the gains in the stock market (did the Dow brush 26,000 or 27,000?) under the current President have been eliminated. I was once sitting at a Starbucks having coffee and an Ivy League trained economist of Indian extraction was sharing the same long table. This was in late September. I told him that, in my mind, the Dow should more realistically be at about 24,500. This was all too simplistic for him. He could only talk in ivory tower econometric models that he did as part of his work. Well, I was only partly right. The slide has exceeded what I said by almost 3,000 points. Bah hambug.

Or there isn't a business case well enough to justify changing their design language for a few EV sales quite yet.

SARCASTIC POST OF THE YEAR!

He probably has $14.7 million four times over hidden in different bank accounts in different countries. They better give him the 10 years in jail, I don’t think he is sweating the $89,000 fine.

This just in: Less is never 'More'. - - - - -

Saw a very clean, of course beige, VW 'Rabbit' pick-up. Larger aftermarket 'BBS' rims, but otherwise stock. Haven't seen one in decades.

This one is a 170. Less IS more. Agreed.

Was at a bar at the top of the Hilton downtown after the symphony last night, came out and there was a brown Escalade and a black CT6 parked nose-to-tail. Alas, my Uber X driver's car was less impressive (Mitsubishi Outlander...previous drivers yesterday had a Dodge Journey and the crazy Asian guy had a previous gen Toyota Highlander---driving 60-65 mph weaving in and out of traffic on a 45mph limit boulevard..) . Took a few pics out of the windows of the bar--too cold to go out on the deck. Will have to go back in warmer weather..

I agree. It makes little sense.. but in truth.. GM's response and admission of defeat, even when they are winning, makes little sense either. I've seen more CT6s on the damn road since their announcement then I did before. They looks so stately.. YES, a larger CTS, but with more handsome proportions. I feel like it would look even better with standard 22 inch rims. Anyway... The more I see the Cruze vs the Sonic the more I see why they are discontinuing it It makes no sense in these two vehicles selling at the same time.. altho I still believe that the Cruze name should go to the Sonic. Seeing the new Trax proportions in the Camo'ed pics gives me hope, that the Blazer front end is going to make it very nice looking in terms of the segment it competes

to anyone questioning my post.. and as soon as Toyota decided to finally break from their tired old old old old Corolla formula.. and put something "new" in it.. it breaks. Toyota RECALLS NEW COROLLA FOR CVT ISSUES See.. That's exactly what I was saying in another thread. WHAT EXACTLY IS GM's EXPECTATION, and why does the media try to see anything that is not selling on the level of the Camry as a failure. Technically the CT6 is the best selling of the larger Luxos.. Even if U only used the same price point level as a starting LS460.. I'd bet it would still be selling more than it

??? What do you even mean? Of course they are!

CT6 sold 7,270 units thru Sept. In the same period, the bmw 7 sold 6,126 units and the audi a8 sold a mere 656 units. Is it a 'perception that exists therefore it's reality' that the CT6 "doesn't sell well", or merely an erroneous judgement that exists, instead? Where should the CT6 sales level be at, or is it a matter of 'the CT6 doesn't sell well, the 7-series sells even worse and the a8 sells abysmally poorly'? Because I read these judgemental calls on the CT6 sales performance frequently and I am always left wondering- where is the poster's opinion of other large luxury sedan sales? Have you read a single comment on the A8/S8's dismal sales in any review? Ever? Why are these foreign brands somehow rendered immune to the same mainstream volume template? - - - - - Plug in EVs will be about 350K units in the US for 2018 (313K thru November). US total vehicle sales thru Nov are at 15,646,xxx. 313K out of 15,646K is 2.0%. Yes, sales are growing, but people HAVE to be cognisant of the fact that despite the recent growth, the SHARE is still really really really tiny. And again I am brought back around to the CT6 sales performance. The same template applied to EVs would constantly bemoan how they 'don't sell well' and 'are unprofitable', but that's barely an uncommon whisper. I for one am not willing to sit here and ignore the facts like so many others. EVs may one day eclipse IC vehicles in this country. The chances are quite real, I believe. Will they ever put the IC totally out of the picture? I strongly doubt it. Will they exceed 50% of the market? They have a decent chance, but it absolutely won't be in 10 years. If you follow the plot line, that event is a good 30 years in the future, minimum, and despite all the water cooler / podcast buzz. It takes time to see consumer product growth, esp when the bulk of the segment is priced so much higher than the average vehicle price. People who believe 'EV dominance' is a 10-year event are being totally unrealistic at this point.

Love the idear of an inline six, and I would drive one if it becomes available unfettered with e-torque... but it will never take the place of the Hemi in America.

WOW, what a sweet Ride. Saw this today, talk about amazing shape. The senior who owned it clearly takes pride in owning it! Also saw this old Muttang Convertible while driving.

Spotted on Ebay! ??? https://www.ebay.com/itm/163412912666?ul_noapp=true

Maybe they should adopt a more aerodynamic design instead of the blocky bloated look...

It's a bit more than 'difference of opinion'...the Kochs and other climate change denying right wing filth represent an existential threat to all of humanity. They are anti-future and anti-American.