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China is getting a nice MCE for the LaCrosse that we won't see...

We love ours, but now this past winter, I do think AWD would be nice to have. I think i could live with losing the Stow N Go because of it. But at the same time, i had thought if Chrysler put out a new 3 row crossover SUV with AWD and same drivetrain I might prefer that and get away from the minivan. Main reason is kids are growing up and concern for flinging doors around not as much. Also, I would prefer to get vehicle with real center console and shifter. The twist knob for a shifter is ok to use and space efficient, but at the end of the day, I still like a shifter. Cadillac XT4 or a small knob like on the Regal with a is the way to go if you still want your man card. Minivan sales DO suffer in part due to lack of AWD in this neck of the woods.

Boy -o-boy, I cannot wait for another rehashed GM SUV.

Beautiful car.

They did it with product. The product should speak for itself. The H- and J-body Skyhawks, especially T-Types... the Buick Regal T-Type and GN.. before that, the Skylark GS and GSX of the 60's-70's...

That totally depends on the purchase price! It takes many years to offset tens of thousands more spent on Day 1- one can't legally buy a brand new vehicle with Monopoly money (unfortunately). Saving the cost of 2 or 3 oil changes per year is a drop in the bucket if it cost you $25K to do so.

V8s aren't going to touch the 1900 HP pininfarina not because it's faster, but because no one will ever see this $2.5 million dollar proposal. Because it's $2.5 million dollars. If it gets built. - - - - - Re an electric pass van operating costs- that depends on it's pricing. Unless Daimler can somehow stop themselves from gouging van customers -- after all, there is zero passion about buying a commercial van; it's all about the bottom line -- and not tack another $25K onto the $40K the sprinter diesel starts at, there is no cost comparison to a TD Transit (which gets 17 MPG composite, not 10, nor does it get the 14.5 MPG the sprinter TD has been demonstrated to return). You'd get AT LEAST 10 years of being ahead of the game in a TD commercial van over an EV. They need to be priced competitively to "be the future".

Semantics would be if you stated the GS stopped production "in the mid '70s" and I replied "it ended in 1975". These counterpoints are not dickerings over terminology, at least as far as I see them. Thank you BTW for your well wish RE my B-59. I hope so too.

Yet...no answer or rebuttal to the post where the Acura pics reside... So...you still sticking to your idea that Buick tried to sell to the youthful market using the H-Body and J-Body? Because its my turn to laugh... PSS: yet those rust bucket POS Japanese imports have caused a real problem for American car brands in the USofA... Like I said...no real rebuttal...just empty insults...

Im cool as a cucumber... Are you? That would be twice you call me other by my name and Balthy took offense for me calling him out on semantics... Stop with the blinders, both of you, and accept the fact that Buick...even with the GS of muscle car fame in the 1960s, was NEVER into the youth market. In fact, they created the GSX for it to be a tad more colourful for the young to be more muscle car than uptight old man's car like a GTO... And the GS was relatively late to the party compared to the GTO and the 442 in 1964... The Riviera was in 1964 was NOT a youthful entry...it was more for distinguished gentlemen... Its called showing you proof...and calling out your bullshyte!!! ?

The Pontiac was in Sweden. Harald Fors & Co AB was in Stockholm looks like.

Nice! Charging times keep getting better and better.

Sounds likely. Either way, an AWD minivan is a good idea given what a minivan is for.

UPS uses Workhorse electric vans in the US and ARRIVAL electric vans in the UK. https://pressroom.ups.com/pressroom/ContentDetailsViewer.page?ConceptType=PressReleases&id=1525867012405-924 https://pressroom.ups.com/pressroom/ContentDetailsViewer.page?ConceptType=PressReleases&id=1441744963510-216 https://pressroom.ups.com/pressroom/ContentDetailsViewer.page?ConceptType=PressReleases&id=1446039616630-395

That's a bit of a mirage. The lithium ion batteries are still susceptible to damage when charging fast if they keep charging fast over 90% capacity. It's not that charging fast kills them, it's that charging fast when they're close to full capacity kills them. That has always been the case. The difference now is that the chargers can communicate with the battery and automagically slow the flow of electricity as the battery nears full capacity. This is why cars like the Bolt can add 90 mile of range in 30 minutes, but a full charge take longer than just multiplying that out. From this blog, you can see that the Bolt starts to automatically regulate the down the flow of energy at 50% capacity and again at 70% capacity. It is highly likely that Tesla will be doing the same thing here and the 1,000 miles of range in 60 minutes is an "Up to" and "under ideal conditions" type of rating. Not everyone will see that unless their battery pack is at 1% and it is a 68 degree day.

Yea, it makes me wonder what they're going to do in order to add AWD. They already don't have stow-n-go on the Hybrid model, so maybe they're modifying that one into having AWD.

Interesting...the Chrysler minivans used to have to an AWD option, but they dropped it 15 years ago when they added sto-n-go..

In the early days of Lithium Ion batteries, yes too fast of a charge would kill off cells shorting the battery life. Today much of what is built can handle fast charging with no loss of cell life which has been proven by the hybid auto's used in taxi service that have hundreds of thousands of miles driven on them and no to minimal cell death. As we move towards solid state batteries, we will be able to recharge even faster. The biggest issue is heat that builds up as to why the V3 chargers have liquid cooling charge cables compared to the air cooled V2 cables. Heat over time does degrade products as to why liquid cooling becomes important for battery conditioning and recharging. Nissan Leaf was delayed getting their long range Leaf Plus cars out due to changing from an air cooled battery to a liquid temperature controlled battery. This helps insure the 10yr warranty works with minimal obligation to full fill replacing the battery pack due to degraded battery capacity. Plus as it states in the writeup, conditioning the battery to a certain temp allows for maximizing a fast recharge of said battery.

The looks are growing on me too.... I'm just disappointed with the interior. It's not up to the level of design sophistication as the Aviator is... even if you don't like the styling of the Aviator's interior, it is a much more complex and interesting design to look at. The XT6 is rather generic.

It can. Tesla and GM alter their charging rate as the battery gets full. Over 90% capacity and the charging rate slows down in order to prevent damage. As noted above, the Tesla will also now pre-warm their battery when it detects via the navigation system that it is on its way to a supercharger. This will allow the battery to accept a charge more rapidly.

I am a fan of the whole DRL's turning into chrome accents deal..... I am not a huge fan of how Hyundai applied it here, but to each his own. The interior is nicely done. My friend has a '17 and it isn't that bad, really. I am sure they will sell well for Hyundai.

Around here in the Cleveland burbs, Amazon Prime and Fed Ex use Ford Transits (and there are plenty of Amazon sub contractors in all sorts of vehicles). UPS still has the big brown unbranded trucks. USPS still has the ancient Grumman trucks.

UPS, FedEx use Vans for delivery here in Washington, have not had trucks in years. Maybe they still use the old trucks around you. But the Dually wheel sprinter Van is in use here. Those are 1 ton vans that would easily be replaced by a service version of this EV van. USPS uses a weird range of vans and other auto's around here as I have seen less and less of the old traditional white box auto who ever built them. These are very common here in the neighborhoods making deliveries. Easily replaced by an electric version. Amazon Prime uses the Sprinter vans all over the west coast, easily replaced by an electric version. UPS delivery vans like this is what we see every day on the streets and in the neighborhoods. Same with Fedex All these ICE vans can easily be replaced by electric versions.

Isn't UPS buying a bunch of electric vans? I would think UPS, Fed Ex, Amazon etc would be looking closely at electric vans, along w/ the USPS to replace the old Grumman boxes.

Yes, Mazda's bright blood red is boring but dark brown or green is not. Makes sense .....

That green is a little dark in person on the Ram, but I would take it in a heartbeat. With the lovely brown cloth interior. It rocks.

Yeah...I could see a darkish green, emerald metallic paint job on Mazda cars and CUVs... Like this Vette But how many dullards would actually go for that colour other than the Miata? Im willing to bet, not many.

Right, think of an airport off site parking shuttle company that runs an Econoline or Transit van/bus 50,000 miles a year or more at 10-15 mpg. Then compare to what an electric van would cost to operate. There are loads of applications for an electric van. As far as muscle cars go that was brought up, this has 1,900 hp, and I don't think an V8s are going to touch this Pinanfirina: Electric is the future.

Their CUV's Scream for a lovely Metallic Forest Green!

@oldshurst442 In the US, auto exhaust noise cannot go over 95 decibels. Many rock concerts break the 105 decibel limit that does cause hearing loss. Harley Davidson has come under fire as their open header bikes have often broke the sound limit and in the cities, you are very correct that many people complain about the noise waking them up during the night when sleeping.

They didn't sound like that new either - that's aftermarket exhaust, sounds like FlowMasters (founded in the '80s for sprint cars). Also available for the Hellcat, BTW. ;) Check the comments for the Challenger video... see how many are complaining.

There are! This is why muscle cars dont sound like this anymore... But they are subdued like this with almost double the horsepower... And about the air pollution thing...

You ASSUME there are droves city dwellers who complain about AUTOMOTIVE noise and a heightened sense of "air pollution". The van pictured is a Transit Custom, sized between the Transit Connect and the Transit. It is currently not sold in America.

the very first thing i thought. this 2020 sonata looked fresh for about an hour. And now it already looks faux to me. Still better than that hot mess camry though

There is another angle I could go with. The title of this is the 7 WONDERS... Just like the buildings, arches, statues, temples that the original and new wonders represent...cars that have made us humans wonder in awe about them them... 1. 1955 Mercedes Benz Gullwing 2. Lamborghini Countach 5000 3. Ferrari GT California 4. 1959 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz convertible 5. Citroen DS 6. Tesla Model S P100D Ford Hot Rod. 1932, 1933. It dont matter. stripped Ford body shell, Flat Head V8 and flames is all that matters.

The '99 Escalade and the '98 Navigator are good choices, but both are preceded by the original Lexus RX300. The RX300 matters more for one reason: unibody vs BOF. Every SUV was BOF prior to the likes of the RAV4 and CR-V back in the 1990s and the original RX300 was the first luxury CUV.

EXACTLY! I still cannot fathom why the mainstream brands haven't made a plug-in SUV but instead choose the slower selling cars.. The Volt powertrain should have been in an Equinox-sized vehicle years ago..or Trax. Ford shouldn't have let the Escape hybrid die with the last/first gen.

These are basically what I've been waiting for in the PHEV market... all-wheel drive and not super expensive like the XC90/XC60. I do wish the bigger Cherokee was on the list though... maybe soon.

Still partially in the wrapper (protective paper on some of the bumper) ~

He compared it with comparably priced car with comparable performance. Not matter what you compare (Bolt vs Cruze for example) EV will be more efficient and much cheaper to run. Electricity is just more efficient, period. The only problem with EVs are batteries, their capacity and how long it takes to charge them.

Not hamstrung by electric propulsion and even if 15 to 20K higher priced, the savings on maintenance, oil, gas will easily off set and have bigger savings over a 3-5 year period than gas.

Settle down, our Canadian MoFo, you are getting your fro in an uproh, son. You are also making me laugh with photos of Hondas, all of which were horrific rust buckets and POSes

talk abote a hair trigger

Yerr makin' me laugh, STOP

Ohhhh, you're not on point with me in this thread.