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Merceds isn't a luxury brand; it's a mainstream brand that also sells luxury vehicles. Rolls, Bentley, Porsche... these are luxury brands. Huge clue; no pedo vans.

@Robert Hall @oldshurst442 I am excited to see what the Dash is like in the Hummer EV by GMC. I like the peeks they have shown so far of the open air roof design. Ford Mach e I like also, a nice blend between traditional and tech. You have manual controls on the Steering Wheel and digital on the center screen. Rivian is again like the Mach e with manual controls on the steering wheel, digital on the center dash, but to me a much more Luxurious interior than anything Tesla offers. I honestly can see both of you in a CPO EV.

I get that Tesla has great technology...being in tech and all I should be a customer of theirs, but their products just don't really appeal to me..I may eventually have an EV...let's see what the market is like in 10 years.

I find that is a strong reason I work for Dell Technologies. Multi-Cultural diverse work environment with a strong drive for equality regardless of orientation. They drive for us to stay relevant with training while we drive the bleeding edge of tech Globally. An American Company that invests in their employees to make a global difference. It is why #iworkfordell Tesla has some great Tech, I just find their Style to be a failure, interiors to be a failure and their narcissist's CEO to be repugnant to the point that I will wait for something else (RIVIAN, Ford Mach e, GM Hummer) before I spend my hard earned Dollars on an EV.

The state of American business... Some Americans give tooo much importance to what Elon Musk has to say on Twitter...and they equate that to Tesla products... Good or bad. Musk promises fields of dreams. The corporate world and the media world praise the phoquer and they equate that to Tesla products in the form of smoke and mirror Tesla stocks. Others see the shyte he says on Twitter and they try to equate that shyte to the products he produces and say that Tesla cars are shyte. The problem is...that REALITY is SELDOM a criteria to which Tesla is judged by. Both good and bad. American business, politics, entertainment. Its all garbage television. Its reality TV. Its the OJ Simpson Trial. Its the Kardashians. Its Jersey Shore. Its pathetic.... Hence Musk with his field of dreams promises and Twitter responses and podcast interviews smoking doobies. Hence President Trump actually doing the same phoquing thing the last 4 years. Remember, Trump was also a reality TV superstar... Dont go giving me downvotes. Reflect on what I have said. See about GM losing market share in the US mainly to Japanese car companies and the China dilemma on US economy and world political stage and see how all the shyte I said and how it blends together... I may be crazy for thinking this way...yet Im not wrong in a strange and scary way...

I hear you. I feel the same. Other than a C8 Corvette, Cadillac CT5-V, Mustang and the upcoming Bronco and Mach E, I feel no real pride for FoMoCo or GM. Fullsized trucks are cool. Im still getting warm to them. Not there yet 100% Take my two rants with a grain of salt. I soooooo much love American cars that I get emotional when market share or reliability is a topic, and I go off the deep end. Ill take a jab at GM or American cars myself when the topic is ONLY focused on GM or American cars in general. But when the world's cars are concern, Ill defend Americana like nothing else. My two rants above are very emotionally charged diatribes. Comical, cartoony, slippery slidey on the facts. I understand that. But my two rants are not that far off the truth either. And it comes straight from my heart.

Name: 1964 Pontiac Grand Prix Category: Vehicles Date Added: 2020-07-17 Submitter: balthazar 1964 Pontiac Grand Prix

It's not about preferences. I have preferences I want to do on my projects, but there's an extremely tangible reason they're not happening. An angle chop, a supercharged 550 CI motor, hydraulic suspension. The reason- cost. It's incredible to me that we're supposedly talking rationally about different options and openly ignoring the associated cost in many instances. Budget is always a consideration. No one says 'I need a new car- I was looking at a toyota corolla, that would suit my needs, but I might get a Bentley Bentayga instead'.

I have an issue with you or anybody else saying "OUCH" and that its so much cheaper through 3rd party suppliers... That is not any different from ANY other business in ANY other domain. Apple hardware products are certainly more expensive than 3rd party compatible products... Canon/Minolta/Sony/Nikon photo camera accessories were and still are more expensive than 3rd party compatible products... Cuisinart/Kitchenaid coffee filters and other name brand accessories for their appliances are certainly more expensive than the generic compatible 3rd party products... Nutella branded spread spoon is more expensive than a Dollar Tree version Oakley and Ray Ban branded cases are more expensive than a Kirkland from Costco brand sunglass case... You get the picture... I mean... OK...you got a beef with Tesla...which is cool, but lets be a tad less biased when it comes to these kinds of things... Tesla, afterall, is banking on the fact that they got great brand recognition and want to cash in on it. Porsche, Ferrari...and even Hummer back in the day did and does exactly that. I say...no big deal.

If I were to trade my Jeep on something late model from another car maker right now, I'm not sure what I'd go for..got to think about it.

Love the dash on the Rivian...kind of almost Volvoish...I like the light colors and the light wood. And I do like that green exterior color you posted a while back.

Yet...we have argued in the past about what constitutes luxury. And yet...Tesla's luxury is not about opulence. Its about technology. We all know how pricey this technology is to produce. And we all know that EVs just cant be sold at regular Joe prices as its impossible to yield what is necessary for a business to survive...PROFITS. Its the Corvette argument for Tesla. Tesla could hire a few Italian leather makers and get a few of the best high spec tolerance production guys out there and price their vehicles in the 250 000 dollar range and make themselves into a boutique car maker... But THAT is not what the founders of Tesla wanted of its cars and their marketing plan reflects that. So...pricing had to come down to the luxury level. NOT the UBER luxury level. But THAT means certain things have to be compromised. And although we might find certain things in a Tesla disappointing, the marketing plan, the pricing is something that we could say is working out well for Tesla. We are indeed paying for the tech. NOT for the opulence. Like a Corvette. We are paying for the technology and the performance and the image the Corvette has given us for the past 60 years. Not for the fine italian leather... Yet the C8 has given us that too. But...Tesla is NOT 60 years old though... But dont get me wrong. I UNDERSTAND FULLY WHERE YOU COME FROM. IM JUST DEFENDING TESLA. I AM NOT TRYING TO PICK A FIGHT WITH YOU.

I like Tesla, but I do think they cut corners quite a bit on some aspects of their products..by and large, I find their interiors disappointing. For luxury priced vehicles, they don't seem very luxury inside...

The C8, Camaro, CT5-V, the late CT6, Escalade, Mustang, Aviator, Navigator and upcoming Bronco are all interesting, as far as buying, .I can see myself getting another Grand Cherokee and a Challenger R/T down the road, maybe another Mustang GT.... not anything new, but a CPO to avoid the depreciation. Beyond those, there is so little left for me to get excited about w/ American vehicles...just a bunch of forgettable appliances and ugly trucks...not that different than the appliances churned out by the Korean and Japanese brands. Boring. Though there are a few Japanese and European cars I like a lot. I guess just don't care enough anymore to get too 'emotionally charged'..

Though FCA is a foreign-owned company, they are pretty much the only 'American' car maker I can see myself buying products from in the near future..not really much at Ford or GM I find that interesting.

Its just shouldnt BE that way. Id like to know if Mercedes has EVER lost THAT much market share in Germany or Toyota/Honda in Japan. And while yes, America's capitalism doesnt allow for protectioni... HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! Boeing and dairy and lumber and this current administration tells me otherwise but that is something that I already knew. It comes as a surprise to many though. Its just that this current administration blew the door wide open and exposed America's protectionist policies... The problem though lies with some bulshyte Boomer and hippy asshats that have it in for American cars since the early to mid 1970s. Vietnam war being the culprit. Gas guzzling American muscle cars and land yachts and V8-6-4 Cimarrons are just the excuse. My honest opinion...

In Europe... the countries that build cars, their folk are fiercely loyal to their home market. Germans never think about buying anything but German. The French never think about buying anything but French and so on. In Germany, the German car factories are heavily subsidized by the German governments while the unions protect the German auto worker to degrees that the UAW will never see in America DESPITE what we think about the UAW in North America... The Japanese too. Same story in Japan as with Germany... The one European country that poo pooed their automotive industry is the one that does not have an automotive industry to call their own anymore. And laughably, British TV and British automobile journalism diss American cars and even MORE laughably STILL try to insist that Rolls Royce and Bentley are English makes. Just because manufacturing is still being done in the UK... I see the similarities with the UK in the US with how Americans view their own automobile industry...and watch-out...the American car industry is not that far off in emulating the one in Britain...especially during this pandemic. Chrysler is already in foreign hands... And what is funnier....AND SCARIER...is that Americans not only poo poo their own phoquing industry HARDER than the Brits done with their car industry, at least the Brits have the illusion that their marques are still British. The sad and scary part is that Americans dont think that American cars are...American...but rather think that Japanese cars made in America are indeed American. To go further than that, American built German cars...remain to be German. Americans will bitch and moan about the UAW and will bitch and moan about the American factory worker yet still want American car manufacturing to return back to America, yet most Americans poo poo the American built car but wont poo poo the foreign American made products. They call those American... It boggles my mind how far this mess has gone since the 1970s oil crisis hit America. It boggles my mind how we all have poo pooed American cars during the last 40 phoquing years yet we still praise foreign cars yet WE KNOW that foreign cars were JUST AS BAD, IF NOT WORSE then those shytty American cars. Toyota went down a path in the late 1990s-mid 2000s that was JUST AS BAD, if NOT WORSE as GM's path was in the 1970s, yet here we are...we still poo poo on GM yet we phoquing praise Toyota. AMERICA....GET YER SHYTE FIXED!!! GET YOUR HEADS SCREWED ON PROPERLY. YA"LL MISSING A FEW SCREWS!!!

China's government is already quite authoritarian. Western companies will not leave because they believe there is too much money to be made there. By the time they think it is time to leave, it will be too late. As for Ford or GM to be truly global automakers, that time has unfortunately passed. VW Group and Toyota are essentially protected at home in a way that Ford and GM never were. Both will stand astride the world like a colossus while Ford and GM are essentially second-tier players.

I can't imagine why any Western company continues to do business with China. Their government is getting more and more powerful and authoritarian...it's time for Western companies to leave, IMO. Nothing of value left of Buick at this point, just a bunch of platform shared FWD generics...same appliances sold as Chevy and GMC with different styling.

It's not common for someone mid-aged to still have the first car they ever bought. I picked up this '64 GP in '86, it was 22 yrs old then. Still got her, 34 years later, and she's now 56 years old. Thankfully, she's basically the same shape as when I got her, as opposed to having degenerated in the time in-between. Very nicely optioned for '64: heater/defroster, power steering, power brakes, AM-FM, power antenna, power windows, A/C, Electro-Cruise, tilt wheel, Cordova vinyl top, automatic. Standard were the 4bbl 389 V8, dual exhaust, bucket/console, padded dash. Regarding the tilt or the AM-FM, one is a first year option, the other is 2nd year. I think tilt is first year. When my buddy asked me to borrow $100 to buy it, I said 'let's go check it out'. It was parked with 2 other cars for sale: 1963 Buick LeSabre 2-dr sedan, 150K miles, painted white with a ROLLER. $150 1966 Pontiac Catalina 4-dr sedan, 125K miles, no keys, gold, $125. and this triple-black Grand Prix Sport coupe was just $100. Needless to say- I lent him the 100, with the caveat that he give me first dibs when he decided to sell it (inevitable, and on a short time span based on past history). Now, the car was bought in '86. The inspection sticker in the window was dated from 1971! So it had already sat for 15 years. Owner said he started it regularly, but the alternator always gave him trouble so he parked it. Odometer the day of purchase said 55554.5 My buddy then (we were young squirts) basically only bought cheap old iron to use as daily drivers. Went thru them fast & furious. Even though we rebuild the carb one night at his gas station job, the tank had enough gunk in it that the car continually stalled out while driving. Why he never dropped/cleaned the tank I don't know. I think it was mere months later when he offered it to me for the same $100. I accepted, August 21, 1986.

Not going to happen....Ford will still be marginally global, but GM has been withdrawing from markets around the world...I think GM will be NA only within a decade.

Saw this small Chevy this morning. What's to remark about? Well, anymore, when you look at car brochures or web sites for more economical cars, you can pick your exterior color to be: 1) white, 2) black, 3) silver, 4) charcoal, 5) red, and 6) navy blue. I'm not asking for 15 to 20 colors like they had decades ago, but kudos to Chevrolet and maybe other GM brands for this cool color, similar to one found in '75 GM BOP products. The downside is that, for the interior in the lower trim levels, your color choices are: 1) black, 2) black, and 3) black. Nonetheless, this is a recent and cool color added to the GM stable.

Ah. I hear ya. I had a 2017 Colorado Z71 for a year and a half and went back to a Silverado Z71. Colorado just wasn't enough room for me and the Silvy rides a lot better than the Colorado. Seemed like a good little truck though.

The wallowing at about 1:14 is hilarious. Good 'ole American land barges. You gotta love 'em!

That bad Toyota copy of an El Camino is simply hideous! Toyota is not that stupid. Are they?

That's fake, though...looks like the actual Corolla Cross will be a CH-R sized CUV with normalized styling.

I can hear your coronary arteries slamming shut from here! ?

• minty '63 Cutlass 2-dr hardtop, silver/champagne color, with a jaunty red accent stripe across the grille, resting but poised in driveway (nose toward road). • minty '68 442 convertible, dark green, tan top, motoring with gusto. Both seen in rural eastern PA.

General Motors had 1,287 dealers in NY State in 1939. In 2019, the total was 179.

Mercedes cars cost more than Chevrolet or Kia. Notice that Mercedes is #1 in global market share for luxury brands. Also Tesla is worth more than Toyota or VW and worth worth and GM, Ford and FCA combined.