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Dealerships ARE a business. PRIVATELY OWNED businesses. Franchises. A restaurant franchise ALSO has the right to sell its food HIGHER than what the franchisor suggests. That is why a franchised store in a downtown core of a city sells its food HIGHER than in the suburbs. Higher rents. But that is a big maybe. Sometimes, restaurant franchises sell their food at the same price as the downtown core franchise DESPITE having lower rents and lower property taxes to pay and such. Ultimately, its up to the consumer to decide what he/she values. Problem is, there is a sucker born every minute, sometimes with more money than brains, that enable this practice. From businessman's point of view: I dont have a problem with that. Like Balthy said: If someone wants to pay 20 bucks for my less than a dollar hotdog. I too, will GLADLY sell it to him. Hey, Ill even give him free napkins to wipe his face. (Which I already do, but Ill advertise that napkins come with the hotdog to give him the illusion of value and me taking care of him because I care for him...) But...if I raise my hotdog prices to 20 dollars each, Im afraid Im going out of business real freakin' quick... Market decides. And if there are enough suckers out there, dont blame the business opportunity of the dealerships. Yes...they will test the market. If they catch a fish, they caught a fish. Sometimes it works out for them. Sometimes it dont. If they have the arrogance to test the waters that way. Let them. As a consumer though, I wouldnt buy from them. EVER. But unfortunately, there are many that dont abide by yours (@surreal1272 and @balthazar) and my way of consuming.

Look; asking $100K for a Bronco is flat ridiculous. And it’s not going to sell at $100K, or even $75K. But if someone came in my (fictional) dealership and offered me -say- $60K on a 40-something Bronco, sure as hell I’m taking their money. It’s the buyer’s choice.

Here's the thing. Most places never move cars like at those outrageous prices. It's just a common tactic used by way too many dealers to just "test the waters" on inflated prices based on perceived (or even real) hype. As I pointed out with he Vette example, most of the time they never sell for the original inflated price. All it does, in the long run, is tarnish an already horrible image of car dealerships and its high time they pull their heads out their collective a**** and stop trying to rip off people at every turn. Much more of it and Tesla won't be the only dealership free make out there. Just my opinion. And lol on the GNX but price aside, that is one cherry looking ride! Then you are complicit in $h!ty behavior. I have worked at several dealerships that pulled this crap and there is no real defending this type of nonsense and all it does stain the reputation of said dealership as well as the brand in question. That particular dealership I brought up has done this before and caught hell for it while they tout "taking care" of their customers. Sorry, I know how you feel about them, but dealerships are the dinosaurs of today and the sooner they die off (or at least change these deceptive pricing schemes) the better.

@oldshurst442 Talking about hotdogs, I have to say, I get these from Business Costco as they are not sold at the regular costco, but they are awesome. Beef Brisket Hotdogs, grill up great, juicy and flavorful. Awesome when made as a Seattle dog which is a butter grilled bun, hotdog, cream cheese, sautéed onions and spicy BBQ sauce.

There are ZERO cars available from an OEM that will lose 2 seconds or more in a 1/4 mile race making pass after pass after pass, in stock form. There is sufficient time to cool to regular operating temperatures on the way back to the start.

Yeah... Ive heard of guys driving their hopped up Integras and Corrado VR6s to Napierville back in the day and sitting out at least half an hour to cool down before going on their first run. Point being to answer @ccap41 also When making high horsepower, whether stock or hot rodded, an engine makes heat. (Batteries produce heat too) And heat just kills horsepower. (Batteries dont perform well) Engines need to be as cool as possible as to maximize horsepower and therefore get the lowest times possible during a run. A car dragging if not cooled properly will just bog down and lose 2-3-4 even 5 seconds easily. Heavily modified or not... The more horsepower the car makes, the more drastic the cooling technics need to be made... The more modified the drag car is away from stock, the more engineering effort is needed to efficiently and sufficiently cool down the car. The more efficiently and sufficiently the drag car is cooled down, the more runs back to back it can run WITHOUT a penalty in time down the track. The more consistently it will race throughout the day with more runs it could accomplish. A BEV will simply shut down. Computers wont allow it to run. But...trying to make it sound like heat is soley a BEV problem and not with ICEV to run down a drag strip is being overly melodramatic.

It wasn't between rounds, it was before the first round.

I'm not saying the market is determining a $100K tag, I'm saying the market will determine if a $100K tag is viable. That's exactly what was at work when the Vette's tag was cut $21K. No dealer can force anyone to pay 'adjusted' pricing. OEMs do the very same thing with 'launch editions' that cost $5K or $10K more for the same vehicle. There, the market generally says that practice is viable, because those sell (and commonly; sell out). I'm only speaking my mind; personally I'd never pay a 'market adjustment' but then again, I never buy first-year vehicles anyway.

I did not follow up. It was a dealership near my work and this was about three months ago when I noticed the last price drop at $100K. Point is that they realized that they were being greedy and no one was going to pay $45K over markup for base model Vette. The dealership has always been shady as hell anyway. It is no longer on the lot, is all I know.

No, No they do not all take that long to engage. ^ That's a heavily modified vehicle cooling down, not an OE car. I don't think any OE car that should be overheating and need to cool down anywhere near like that.

That goes without saying about EVs needing 1 hour to cool down between rounds. But, an ICEV also needs time to cool down between rounds. On modified cars that push horsepower way beyond what came stock with the car. They will run 3-4 times back to back (if that) then the dragster driver will put ice packs and dry ice and all kinds of other neat tricks on the manifold to cool it down. Because heat on the ICE robs power... And yes, sometimes these ICEV will also take one hour before running again. Cars like the Demon Challenger have dope stock methods in where the computer makes use of the air conditioning unit to cool down the engine making the Demon run countless of times. Which I gather some hot rodder thought of first and Mopar used that trick on its car right for the show room floor. Or maybe it came straight from SRT brains. regardless though https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/organized-drag-racing-autocross/109331-how-do-you-cool.html That discussion is from 2002 and it matches what I have seen when I had gone to the drag races at Napierville 2 or 3 times about the same time. Maybe things have changed since then. It has been 20 years. But Ive seen this contraption on google just now. Cooling technics have changed in 20 years. This method doesnt require plastic bags...

I believe that the legal standpoint is; the vehicle is 'new' if it was never titled. - - - - - I have zero issue with a dealer asking whatever they want for a vehicle. The market will decide if 'it' wants to pay that number.

You shouldnt really be street racing. But if you must, you must. Well....the Corvette in order to keep up with the WTF mode Hummer, it will ALSO need to engage its launch control. And both take a looong time to set up. Now...since the Hummer is such a heavy beast, maybe a straight up race with the Vette may not be a good idea as the Vette without launch control is still pretty fast. But when we factor in a P100D Tesla Model S, the C8 Vette may need the launch control to try and beat the Tesla. The Tesla might not really need launch control to keep up. I think the launch control set up in the Challenger is a quicker system to engage. Kudos to MOPAR.

Watching a Hummer EV vidoe [here: https://insideevs.com/news/537016/gmc-hummer-ev-wtf-scary/?fbclid=IwAR3HzEhhmfFbxiSHuaBZkw2v1ZeEeukzDKet93hB5vHaS11IoEBGAfy7-_k ] and while everyone ballyhoos how it's going to go 0-60 in about 3 secs, but........ .....no one talks about the TWENTY-EIGHT SECONDS it takes to get ready to utilize the WTF mode.

$100K for this (nearly) new Bronco? That would only be acceptable for a fully loaded brand new Escalade. NO way am I paying that much when I should buy THREE of those at MSRP.

One hundred thousand dollars for a Bronco? If somebody buys that vehicle from this guy and dealership, then that buyer deserves to be taken advantage of. I understand that the dealership shouldnt be asking for these kinds of prices because its a ridiculous mark-up . But I also understand that dealerships could ask as much as they want because its their right as a business... (its been driven 301 miles so as to avoid FoMoCo disciplining them...) That doesnt mean a buyer HAS to buy it. I dont care how much in need one is for a vehicle...one DOES need to exercise restraint.

Saw this just now on Facebook and it proves why I cannot stand dealerships and wish they all would take a damn hike. The guy who posted this is literally a salesman for Capital Ford in Raleigh (near me). For $100K, that better come with about ten kilos of the devils dandruff is all I’m going to say.

New casting, and an interesting logo choice on the card.

Yeah. I get it (licensing); I just abhor the logo. on another note- casting looks kinda lame. I have this Husky B-59 (metal), and the body proportions are quite decent. Prolly from the ‘60s. Guess there’s not enough money in this scale die cast to get them even to the Husky quality level.

Is the same 'bullshit greed' when VW takes a circa $3 million Bugatti & upcharges it to $13 million? Did they add $10 million worth of anything to the same car? It's got the same engine... Do we 'not need the OEM structure' anymore' because the Bugatti brand did this... or is this a bunch fluff over basically nothing. - - - - - If folk are willing to pay for it, they will. It's on the OEM to determine if they can make their balance sheet work doing so on any sort of scale. It's the same scenario for the dealer, who buys inventory on borrowed capital & incurs carrying costs for vehicles month-by-month as they sit; what will be their bottom line? This is how dealers selling the same product (a Ford Bronco) can sell (or try to) ones at $100K... and at $2K below MSRP.