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@smk4565—You said this barely a year ago. What changed? “More EV's from Ford, VW, or anyone else, is just moving sales from gas to electric, it isn't stealing Tesla sales and taking them down.“ But now you say the exact opposite using your Toyota example.

S-class U.S. sales peaked way back in 2006 @ 30,886 units. Most years it hovers in the low teens. Wonder what the EQS will do; volume-wise. It seems that mercedes is following Tesla & GM in going to quarterly sales numbers; at least I couldn't find any sales numbers for the EQS other than the 1st month in Dec.

That's a monsterous 'IF'! I'm sure that's the hope, but the reality remains to be seen. Is it at all legit to compare the sales figures of the corolla and the prius? 2019 prius ($24K) : 59,010 2019 corolla ($20K) : 304,850 ^ Why aren't those numbers reversed?

Still nicer than a Model S, and I suspect the 580 will outsell the 450.

Ill ease up on the salt. LOL Its a great day in Montreal SUNNY!!! and WARM!!! Ok... The name of the thread is: competition to destroy Tesla. Not from Mercedes I says for the third time in this thread. Not only for trolling SMK, but based in reality. Its common knowledge that Tesla's EV tech is years ahead of the competition. Its only natural. Tesla has been studying this, R and D-ind this for quite longer than some others. Mercedes is lagging in that department. Strike One against Mercedes. But my reasoning of why Mercedes EVs will be languishing on the floor in 2024 is not only because of the lagging behind in tech as compared not only to Tesla, but to GM and Ford as well. Volkswagen group with Audi's Etron GT and Porsche's Taycan is ALSO ahead of the Mercedes EQS' tech. And Porsche will have a jab at their second attempt to improve upon the Taycan about this time around. Porsche and Audi twins are gonna be FORMIDABLE come 2024 or 2025. Another point: Which is Strike Two: STYLE The EQS is ugly NOW. ALL offerings of EQE and EQB are UGLY. And these will come out in 2022. In 2024, they will be THAT MUCH MORE outdated. tech AND ESPECIALLY styling wise. Mercedes top luxury cars, the limosine type cars, the S Class, has ALWAYS been STATELY. Boring...but STATELY. Boring we could live with as long as its STATELY. Ugly is NOT exciting. The thing is, the EQS is not even stately. The KEY feature of any top Mercedes is STATELY. One could argue the EQB is stately. I will give in to that idea. But the other two just fall short in every way that shouldnt be in order for Mercedes to stand out in the EV arena in 2024. Not forgetting that Cadillac will have a stately Lyriq (I dont like it, but to many its not only sexy, but stately as well. The Lucid Air. Lucid's SUV... etc etc etc...

My mistake, I missed the 2024 part of that, wasn't intentional. Also, ease up on the salt this morning... It's too early for that, lol.

Maybe you should NOT cherry pick? The conversation was that they are gonna be languishing on the floor...in 2024... He (SMK) mentioned 2024. I kindly responded in the context of 2024. As @surreal1272 pointed out, and Im not stupid to know that there is a penurie of chips and therefore there is a penurie of new cars available to buy and therefore no languishing of cars for the most part for most brands and for most models are happening right now and for at least well into 2023... I dunno...reading and reading comprehension aint that hard if you have completed primary school. But yeah...feel free to call me out on YOUR lack of reading comprehension... (penurie...french for shortage.) FREE French lesson for the day. Second time somebody has reading problems in this thread. I will start teaching you folks french. Maybe we will understand each other better as it seems plain 'ole English is problematic...

Isn’t just about everything selling as soon as it gets in currently? It’s a good question on Tesla volume going forward.

https://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/topic/95399-rubber-numbers/#comment-912190

Probably because a Corolla hybrid is $23,750 starting price and gets 52 mpg, it is looks better, is probably roomier, sort of makes the Prius pointless. And they have that 300 hp Corolla coming, that will add some spice to the line up.

Pointed out by a fellow team member who will remain anonymous, Tesla bucked the industry with its Q1 results — now TSLA is seeing momentum (teslarati.com) A switch to EVs like Tesla could save US public health system $1.2 trillion by 2050 (teslarati.com) Tesla Model 3 with bolt-on parts matches Porsche 911 GT2 RS record at Buttonwillow (teslarati.com)

Only a Benz fan would say that like it was something to brag about, forgetting that you still have to see the outside of it everyday before you actually get in to drive it. Audi and Porsche both shame Benz in these regards. And no, the much pricier 580 will not outsell the base model 450. Again, only a Benz fan would say something like that with a straight face. Correction. Tesla has sold 4 millions EVs and already has repeat buyers since they have been doing this for a decade now. Simply amazing that you don’t see that.

Brand loyalty is important, but Tesla has sold maybe 4 million cars in their history, Toyota has sold hundreds of millions. Toyota can roll out that electric SUV and have the 10 million RAV4 owners that are out there come in for it. It is an easy conversion for them. Tesla is mostly going after people that never had a Tesla, never had an EV. And they have done a great job of that, but they have been the only game in town. Today Ford, Hyundai, Porsche and Mercedes have 1 real EV, there are the Kona and Niro EV compliance cars, GM. has the Bolt which isn't really being produced and the low volume Hummer. What happens when those companies have 10-20 EV's each and not 1-2? Then we'll see how good Tesla is.

Glad that some of the EQS are selling, that would not be the case here and having taken my SS to the dealer to have the Front Diff rebuilt as at 187,700 this morning on driving in, it is howling. The Dealership is just a few miles down the road from the local Mercedes Dealership here and I wish I could have snapped a picture of it this morning as all they had was used autos and a butt load, ton of Mercedes vans out front. I looked up online and they still have their EQS listed as on the show room floor available for sale. Yes, Tesla has a big store with auto's across from Mercedes, but other than a couple cars inside, nothing that seems available to sell. I think it is very geographical on where they might be selling. Interesting observation was the Toyota dealership as I got my free ride home is a mile or so away from where I live and they had no Toyota's in the front that one could see, but they did have a huge Mercedes, BMW and Audi assortment of auto's. I find that enlightening those folks either have traded them in or that dealership is buying up all the leases that come up off wholesale and attempting to sell them as new autos are hard to get.

Have to say, I really like this Aprils Fools Day Story. GM Finally Reveals Chevy Silverado Convertible (gmauthority.com)

You just answered part of that above and I would like to add the various FWD based sedans and CUVs they have released over the last twenty years, where as before FWD luxury cars were absolutely taboo for any German luxury maker. Those are the very definition of "compliance cars". It's not even debatable and you can say that you could acre less about what was on the lot and that is your choice. However, it is also your choice to ignore the contradiction in your earlier assessment of their "showrooms". You can't look at the showroom without passing through the lot first and seeing those various non-luxury vans sharing the same lot with $100K luxury cars, something the resident Mercedes fanboy has shredded GM for in the past (Cadillac sharing lots with lower tier GM makes or Chevrolet selling $100K Vettes alongside $13K Sparks). That is all I am going to say about it. That is a common theme with just about everyone right now hence these higher than average prices on literally everything with wheels on them. Mercedes is in no way unique here and you know that.

How many years did it take Mercedes to reach that number then? There's always a sharp spike as they hit their stride and released new vehicles. Now they're not releasing anything new anytime soon, I don't think anybody here thinks the CyberTruck is close to production, right? Now everything they have is fairly old at this point and I don't think there's anything new in the pipeline so I don't see them continuing that kind of growth. I think they'll plateau around 1m units. Doubling THAT will take a lot more products and fresh products, and also the ability to produce that many vehicles.

Example number 3. You want more examples of your about face prior to Mercedes officially joining the EV game? Funny. I strolled through one of their lots in Glendale, AZ (Arrowhead Mercedes) and found vans parked next to E-Class and S-Class sedans. They are not as "exclusive as their fans make them out to be. Furthermore, David has a point. They more compliance autos than ever before and love pulling that visual slight of hand with even their upper end offerings like the EQS (see the base model dash but just don't look for it on MBs website since they only show the hyper screen models). Are they still a luxury car company? Sure, in the technical sense. Are they are "exclusive" as they once were? Hell no.

You may not like Mercedes but walk into a Mercedes dealership and stroll through a few vehicles and then do the same at Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc. They're a luxury automaker with a couple lower end vehicles. I sat in a 2021 S580, 2022 GLS63, and 2021 G550 this weekend and there is not a thing from the "standard" automakers that is as nice AND gnarly as those.

Backing is all well & good, but it's not the same thing as getting the product 'right' for volume production. Everything takes longer than intended these days, and in post 2019- even longer than that.

Tesla does not CARE about interiors like the others. They want to be the Luxury equivalent of a Prius. On that basis, they are quite successful. That does NOT mean that their success will last forever, especially if Tesla does not improve their fit and finish and their self-driving features.

75(14) miles check-in. No issues. It was experiencing a handful of what folk call 'crank/no start' events (cranks on first try but doesn't start, then always starts on 2nd attempt), but it got a software update at its first oil change and hasn't done it since. It was no big deal. No recalls, no TSBs, no warning lights, no noises. Still hitting rated MPG- low 23s on average (rated 22/26). Best MPG to date was 26.4. Have not done a highway-majority tank yet. I filled up 3/24, prior fill-up was 2/28, so I am only 'charging' my truck once a month. I'm at 10 months & 1 week of ownership, only at 7500 miles. Work was slow in Dec-Jan, but I'm back doing 6 days a week now; so I think I'll be 'lucky' to hit 9000 miles by May 20. ?

GM has stated that they will have e-crate solutions to support converting all ICE autos be it FWD, RWD and AWD to electric. Currently GM has setup an ASE electrification conversion program for auto repair shops to get certified and do conversions with GM e-Crate Solutions and warranty. GMs Electric Vehicle Future | Performance (chevrolet.com) I had signed up requesting information but was weeded out as I am not a current functional auto shop. As such, finding out what all is entailed in getting the certifications, access to wholesale pricing on e-Crate connect and drive solutions for GM auto conversions. I honestly would love to have the Hummer Tri-Motor setup on my 1994 Suburban.

1:41:00 ~ 1:42.20 Sums it up perfectly.

Still funny to me to read even here. I do agree with how they quantify their numbers, but I have to assume it is based on statistic of current deaths, asthma and lost days that someone associated to something Green, or Black, or some color that hurt them.