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I get that it’s low volume, but it isn’t a hyper car, it’s a full size sedan. This is like when VW brought out the Phaeton W12 and yeah it was a great car and no one bought it and the brand image went nowhere, because it didn’t fit the line up. Cadillac still needs a couple luxury sedans that can do volume, a convertible, an off roader, a sports car, to go with the lyriq and whatever electric crossovers slot below and above the Lyriq. And maybe all of that is coming. The Celestiq better be Rolls-Royce Phantom beating otherwise why not just get a Maybach, Bentley, or Rolls?

All of this!!

Happy Bastille Day! Do you know your half birthday and that of others? I tend to. Today makes for 14.5 years of sled. How time flies. It's already afternoon in France. "Vive la France."

@ccap41 Thanks for the exhibits. I did get an Impossible Whopper today with my app price. At 10 mg of cholesterol versus 90 mg for the regular Whopper, that bit of info convinced me. I get one about once every two weeks. @Robert Hall I, too, am trying to eat healthier. I tend to dislike tree huggers and granolas who, deep down, are very angry and very fake, so it's not about making a political statement and aligning with them in any way, shape, or form. It's about working toward keeping or getting better numbers on my quarterly bloodwork. @oldshurst442 I like most things, but I despise spicy food of any type. I don't see how it can be fun to be sitting there eating and having your nose run, or how that can be flavorful. I am liking vegetables a lot more. I hated them as a kid. Now, I love spinach, squash, lentils, cauliflower and most of those things. I also like fish a lot more, too ... especially fish like salmon, halibut, shark, and swordfish. But I will always like a small steak from time to time and I like the marinated and seasoned cubed pieces of lamb and sirloin that Greek restaurants serve up. I could live contently with just the foods of the Mediterranean and the foods of the Americas, which realistically casts a big net.

Disclaimer: I had a Karen enter the restaurant today. Had to kick her out, forcibly. My rant above regarding plant based vegan burgers, although this is how I truly about vegan people and plant based vegan burgers, maybe the rant could have been more on a friendlier tone. I was still fuming about it. Im proud to say, Im not fuming anymore.

Yet even Musk has been very clear now on his twitter feed that supply chain issues is hitting Tesla now globally and Tesla announced that they have laid off the complete staff and closed their San Mateo Office. Tesla laying off 229 Autopilot employees, closing San Mateo office, filing says - ABC7 San Francisco (abc7news.com) I have to question how good their autopilot is when you have 37 deaths contributed to it so far, continued alpha/beta testing on the public and now a major layoff in that specific division. Do not be surprised if he closes more, Tesla Stock hammered, deal for Twitter so he could force his view of truth on everyone is now a lawsuit as he feels he should not have to pay due to his fictional believe of excessive bots, lawsuits of sexual misconduct by him and other management/executives, continual late delivering products (Semi, CyberTruck, Roadster), continued poor fit n finish along with other quality issues in assembly. Tesla is a mess that I would not go near or wish on anyone.

Oh yes, it certainly isn't "the way" to do it, otherwise all of these legacy automakers would have done it decades ago. I'm just saying that, I believe, it did help them through a massive supply chain issue that's still plaguing the automotive industry and it likely isn't easing up in the very near future.

That’s an excellent, though very different point. I think you’ll see many manufacturers shorten their supply chains either by moving some production in-house or by insisting suppliers build more on the continent of use. It’s a huge reason why Intel is building a brand new chip plant in Ohio. And LG is expanding in Michigan. however, that’s different than having automotive production lines.

But Cadillac isn't Rolls-Royce, they are closer to VW's price point. The Volkswagen Arteon has a higher base price than the CT5 and they are the same size car. Cadillac struck out on multiple attempts to tackle BMW and Lexus, now they are just going for Rolls-Royce? It's a big jump for the consumer, even if the car has the goods.

Back in 2004 a VW Passat was about $22k base and near $40k for the W8 4-motion ($34k and $62k respectively in today's dollars) The Phaeton was $65,000 for the W8 and $95,000 for the W12 ($102k and $150k in today's dollars). The Phaeton was nearly triple the price of a Passat, a huge jump which is my point. The CT5 starts at $38k, $84k starting for a Blackwing, let's call $60k the middle, if the Celistiq is $300k that is 5 times the price of Cadillac's 2nd most expensive sedan. It is a bigger jump than VW tried with the Phaeton which was an obsessively engineered car. A luxury off roader may not be needed at Cadillac, but G-wagens and Range Rovers go for $50k+ over sticker right now, seems like good business to be in. GMC could do a Hummer Denali (and 100% should) but I there is room above that I think too. Not that GM needs to play in every segment. I'd rather put the R&D dollars into a Cadillac sports car/convertible (especially if it is priced more like the Lyric and less like the Celestiq) where you can build some image and get enough volume to justify the project.

It will take more than one car, and this car has to be successful, not just expensive like the Allante was, but ultimately a flop. And Cadillac still has a bunch of mediocre front drive crossovers and a couple poor selling sedans making up the bulk of the line up. I know all that stuff is probably dead in 2025, but the whole brand needs an overhaul, and they overhauled it in 2003-2005, again in 2013-2015, now again in 2023-2025. They keep overhauling this brand and keep getting it wrong.

No way they can sell over 1,000 Celestiqs a year, at least not in the US, if they are exporting to China, maybe. The EV6 GT-line starts at $51k, that’s 320 hp. There is a 580 hp GT coming. The Mazda 6 is supposed to return as a premium rear drive sedan, Mazda developed a new twin turbo inline six for it and an inline 6 diesel. Also coming are CX-70 and CX-90 SUVs to go upmarket with those engines.

Let's say it is even $200k, and priced against a Maybach (sedan or SUV, gas or electric, and there is a Maybach SL coming). This car better be spectacular, because they are working with a badge deficit. And all these luxury brands seem to be coming out with $100k+, $200k+ EV sedans at a time when sedan sales are tanking. Personally I like sedans, but these people are fighting over a really small segment of buyer, and we just saw cars like the CT6, XJ, Continental, K900 all get gilled, because big luxury sedans don't sell, and those cars weren't even that expensive compared to this high end crowd.

The electric SUVs are coming like 6 months after the sedans, they do have an electric GLB that will be on sale before the EQE here too. Plus China and Europe where Mercedes does most of their business aren't as SUV crazy as the USA is. And Mercedes isn't in Rolls-Royce's range either. The Maybach cars are clearly above all of what Mercedes competitors offer, but still not Rolls level.

If Genesis, Lincoln, Acura, Infiniti, or Volvo came out with a $250,000 sedan they would get laughed at and criticized. Cadillac is in the same league as that group. I get that the dealer is who is cashing in, but that is because the manufacturers can't get their production up. The G-wagen has over a 2 year wait right now, I don't know how much of that is supply chain or how much is Magna Styer can't produce enough. But if people are paying $250,000 for used G-wagens, you'd think other luxury brands might think it's a good idea to make a luxury off roader.