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Oh, it's' really simple. From a "business" standpoint, it's all about money. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else is secondary. Putting that aside, from a tech standpoint, I get going the hardware route they chose. Having a capable and active infotainment system, can have a lot of advantages, from a "performance" standpoint (responsive menus, ease of use, improved feature sets, etc). The mirror mode used by CarPlay and Android Auto can definitely hinder performance in terms of menu response, on top of being a nested layer on top of the existing infotainment system (and the pitfalls that entails) that sometimes just doesn't "jive" with the rest of the infotainment system. What is baffling me how Google is deeply involved with these new infotainment so it's not much of a loss for them. It's the exact opposite, as a matter of fact. Apple, however, seems to lagging on this and it's mostly because of this odd focus on their own car development. Maybe they have something up their sleeve over the next few years but with Google getting involved with a lot of these automakers, it will be an uphill fight for them by then. I do know this. I will be damn if I pay for another streaming service when I have literally everything, music related, on Apple Music, which I get for a FAR lower price than services like Spotify (have a bundle deal with Apple+ which makes Apple Music less than $5 month). Everything I have in my house, has some kind of Apple related connection to it so these auto makers better think long and hard about cutting out one whole demographic just for the sake of pushing their own redundant nonsense for a "small fee" every month.

Not unlike Cleveland...even with automatic climate control, I find myself tweaking it often...I do like the intuitive up/down arrows for temp and rotary dial for fan speeds.. FCA did a good job on the '14-22 WK2 GC HVAC and radio controls, IMO...most of these are duplicated in the touch screen and there is stuff only in the touch screen pages like the seat and steering wheel heaters, which vents to blow out of, etc. But the basic functionality is all there w/ buttons.

I will be speaking for myself. I do NOT have an issue with this new tech. TV screens. Touch screens. Internet connected automobiles. Knight Rider type of automobiles. Bring it on I say!!! The ISSUE I have is that autonomous driving is NOT a thing yet. In MY opinion it will NEVER be a thing. But that is a converstaion for another time. What Im getting at is that HUMAN driving will continue to BE a factor and HUMAN driver NEEDS to put ALL his/her/they/them attention on the road. 100% of all energy and attention of the driver is to BE given to the driving part and NOT the video game antics of this new technology... Changing the HVAC setting to windshield from foot or foot to windshield or to both need NOT be a Dungeons and Dragons video game type quest of an adventure... Flipping pages on the Tee Vee screen or even pressing your favorites haptric button, not realizing you pressed it...trying to press it again and then finally changing it should be discouraged. Encouraged should be having ALL of your senses...ears eyes and brain...on the road ahead, behind and on the sides looking out for other drivers, pedestrians and all other hazards. THIS is easy to do without EVER taking your eyes off the road... Now truth be told, I havent used this new technology. Im going on about by what I hear and read and guessing what its like from using smart phones and computers for the last 20 years. Maybe the reality that I will face using this new tech wont be a problem and its the usual journalism that sucks reporting the news I read... Ill say one thing though. Montreal weather is finnicky. It is NOT stable. Not only from month to month and day to day, bnut sometimes hour by hour. Setting and changing the HVAC control system, ESPECIALLY in the Fall and Spring seasons, is a CONSTANT thing we do daily.

I HATE the fact that ALL today's cars have a TV screen to control HVAC and radio controls and all kinds of apps LIKE the car is some sort of phone... So...for me, this information is just to continue to hate as usual... Dont get me wrong, I think its a FANTASTIC thing to HAVE a TV screen to control certain ELEMENTS of the car's dynamics Such as in a sports car, the performance metrics and the like. But on certain OTHER things, such as the radio and HVAC controls, I DO prefer freakin' buttons... OK...although I OLD SCHOOL it by NEW SCHOOLING the GPS map thing,...I WILL google an unknown address AT HOME on my home computer or iPhone and LEARN the streets to get to my destination a la OLD SCHOOL and DRIVE WITHOUT the help of the car TV screen or car GPS...I understand and acknowledge the BENEFITS of REAL TIME directions especially on a TV screen IN your car using live google maps directions. I just PREFER to old school it by using new school google maps as I would have using a Rand Mcnally map back in the day. I print or write out the directions and when I drive...I LOOK to see for the streets I need to take by actually looking at the REAL damn STREETS in REALITY... yeah...I learn ALL the surrounding streets I NEED to look out for BEFORE I hit the street that I need to turn on to yada yada yada. THIS way, I LEARN MORE about my surrounds and therefore need to rely LESS on google maps... You COULD say Im a walking map of Montreal and its surroundings... The ONLY way for someone to achieve this is to actually look at a map and LEARN the damn streets and when driving the damn streets sink in to your brain... So...for me...ANY technology that helps us use LESS of our brain and get us to rely MORE on tech is a thing that I HATE...

I like a mix of real buttons and touch screens. I don't think I could live w/ a touch screen only interior w/o smashing the screen out of rage/frustration eventually.. ?

Always been a fan of light rail, used it often when I lived in Denver..they have a pretty extensive service around the metro area that keeps growing. Alas, Phoenix and Cleveland's light rail is more limited and never been useful for me.

I do seem to have a pretty good sense of direction. But having vehicles the last 25 years or so w/ a simple 'N', 'S', etc indicator on the dash does help, independent of the nav system. I love maps, having grown up w/ Rand McNally maps and Thomas street guides. I usually pull up a place on my computer on Google Maps before I travel there the first time and study the various routes...I rely on my phone and Google Maps navigation in the car when I go to a place the first time, after that, I usually can find my way pretty well w/o nav or a map.

Not a good move, IMO. Apple Car Play is a 'gotta have' feature for my next vehicle

Some people say "Happy Easter" with a lot more fervor and work than others.

Since EV technology is changing so fast, I would only consider a lease. But an EV makes no sense for me since I don’t have a commute. My driving patterns are so variable…depending on what I do on weekends, some weeks I drive 5 miles, some 50 miles, some 500 miles…

I sat in the Lyriq at the auto show in Feb. Really like the interior and exterior design...

@oldshurst442 @Robert Hall I do like the LYRIQ physical buttons for the HVAC system. They are toggle up and down for heat or cool and then just press to make a change. Then you have the touch screen or rotary dial.

I kinda like the Chevy one w/ the red and the one below it...the rest seem to be ugly gray plastic... The Hummer went crazy with rectangles... looks like an homage to the F-bodies, Fiero and other 80s designs.

@oldshurst442 @trinacriabob @Robert Hall it is interesting to see the various dash interfaces and how more expensive have real buttons. with touch screen over all touch screens for lower priced models. GMC Hummer EV Leap Motors

I figure if I'm worrying about how much it would cost to repair, then I'd be keeping it too long... I don't intend to keep anything 'modern' (i.e. my '14 Jeep or anything newer) after it's out of warranty or so old that it needs a repair to cabin tech... I do think FCA in the mid 10s had a good mix of touch screen controls, physical controls, and redundant controls. I like having the audio controls on the back of the steering wheel (just like my '00 GC did) and as physical center stack controls and on the touch screen...and the HVAC as a mix of buttons and on-screen.

Both the Acura and Ford that I own, which are now 10 years old and older, and are from one of the OLDEST of the USB media systems...I dont seem to have ANY issues of the system being slow. The Acura also has as memory to store my favorite songs and that too aint slow... 9 dollars a month to listen to songs? OK...to create playlists... THAT is a cool feature. And I would agree with you that it may be worth it. But yeah...Thanks Spotify. But NO thanks!

I thought automakers SLASHING prices was a bad thing. A very VERY bad thing... https://money.cnn.com/2011/06/02/autos/american_cars_to-do_list/index.htm By Peter Valdes-Dapena June 6, 2011: 10:17 AM ET Don't reach for the rebate gun: Detroit automakers also need to make sure they're selling cars the right way. Over-reliance on rebates is bad for a couple of reasons. For one thing a $5,000 rebate costs at least $5,000. For another, rebates damage product image and resale value -- with rebates this big the car must be garbage, right? Fortunately, Ford, Chrysler and GM are all moving in the correct direction on this stuff. Fleet sales, as a proportion of overall sales, are shrinking and rebates are down, too. https://www.forbes.com/2008/07/17/gm-ford-chrysler-biz-man-cx_sk_0717automistakes_slide.html?sh=303e74d25df2 Jul 17, 2008,01:30pm EDT So...all of a sudden, Tesla does this rebate thing, a thing that is as old as car making itself,i s a good thing. But when GM, Ford and Chryco were doing it all through the 1980s 1990s and 2000s, we were crucifying them. It is strange how we will use the same course of action for different companies for relatively same circumstances and yet be OPPOSITE of our opinions of said course of action for said companies involved. Thankfully though, sometimes REALITY does sink in... Investors OF Telsa are rethinking their stance of Tesla profitability and are starting to second guess Tesla's direction and economic reality and are more in line to DEMAND the same phoquing accountablilty that they have demanded GM, Ford and Chrysler ALL those decades prior... Tesla seems to get the benefit of the doubt on thjis as we speak, but DOUBT is slowly kreeping in... https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/tesla-shares-drop-after-deliveries-report-raises-concern-of-price-cuts.html PUBLISHED MON, APR 3 2023 2:12 PM EDT UPDATED MON, APR 3 2023 8:53 PM EDT Shares of Tesla closed down 6% on Monday on growing concerns about the company’s automotive gross margins. Over the weekend, Tesla reported first-quarter deliveries of 422,875 electric vehicles and production of 440,808 cars. “We maintain that price cuts have and will undermine industry profitability (including Tesla’s),” wrote Toni Sacconaghi, an analyst at Bernstein, in a note to clients. Employees of the Tesla Gigafactory Berlin Brandenburg work on the final inspection of the finished Model Y electric vehicles. The Tesla plant was opened and put into operation on March 22, 2022. Patrick Pleuil | Picture Alliance | Getty Images Tesla shares closed down 6% on Monday after the company’s quarterly deliveries report led some investors to worry that more price cuts will be needed to drive sales, eating into margins. Over the weekend, Tesla reported first-quarter deliveries of 422,875 electric vehicles and production of 440,808 cars. The record numbers represented 4% growth in deliveries from the prior period and followed repeated price cuts in the U.S., China and Europe. Some of the reductions in the U.S. were implemented in part to enable Tesla and its customers to take advantage of tax credits available under the Inflation Reduction Act. But one ongoing concern is that increased competition will force the automaker to keep lowering prices if it wants to attract buyers as new EVs continue to hit the market. “Many investors believe that Tesla’s recent price cuts reflect a structural cost advantage that will enable it to pressure rivals and capture outsize volume and dominate the EV market,” wrote Toni Sacconaghi, an analyst at Bernstein, in a note following the deliveries report. “We maintain that price cuts have and will undermine industry profitability (including Tesla’s), but that incumbents are deep pocketed and not likely to back down.” WATCH NOW VIDEO04:25 Tesla demand doesn’t feel ‘fantastic’ right now, says Bernstein’s Toni Sacconaghi Bernstein has a $150 price target on the stock, well below the current price of just over $193. Sacconaghi said, “The key question for investors is what might margins be, amid significant price cuts but improving commodity costs?” Tesla’s first-quarter deliveries fell shy of Wall Street expectations, judging by a consensus compiled by FactSet. However, the numbers were in line with numbers compiled by Tesla and sent by the company to some shareholders before the report was published. According to FactSet, analysts were expecting Tesla to report deliveries of around 432,000 vehicles for the quarter. Estimates ranged from 410,000 to 451,000. An independent researcher widely followed by Tesla fans and bulls, who uses the handle @TroyTeslike on Twitter, had been expecting deliveries of around 427,000. Tesla said in its email to shareholders that analysts were expecting deliveries of around 421,500 vehicles, based on a consensus of 25 analysts tracked by the company. For 2023, Tesla previously said it expects to produce 1.8 million cars and implied it intends deliveries around that amount. Company executives said they’re aiming for 50% annual growth on average in production volume and sales over a multiyear horizon. Achieving that level of growth will likely require further price cuts, some analysts said. According to Dan Levy of Barclays, who has a neutral rating on the stock and a $275 price target, the buildup of vehicle inventory is a continuing trend over the last three quarters. He wrote that “incremental price cuts likely needed,” especially as the company ramps up production at new factories in Austin, Texas, and outside of Berlin. — CNBC’s Michael Bloom contributed to this report WATCH: CNBCs full interview with Bernstein’s Toni Sacconaghi WATCH NOW VIDEO04:25 Tesla demand doesn’t feel ‘fantastic’ right now, says Bernstein’s Toni Sacconaghi Fast Money Halftime ReportWATCH LIVE UP NEXT | The Exchange 01:00 pm ET TV Fast Money Halftime ReportWATCH LIVE UP NEXT | The Exchange 01:00 pm ETListen

That is a sound quality issue for me. Bluetooth audio sucks the highest order donkey. I use at home occasionally but in my car, it's a direct hookup and much better sound quality. Controls are far easier for use on the hardware than it is over bluetooth as well IMO. The kids can have it. This old fart has a different set of expectations on his drive.

Yes the Downtown Seattle to UW to Northgate is all underground. Very clean, quiet and nice to get around.

I know you're doing your short-term comparisons but the Model Y is still $11,000 more than when it came out. So that $13,000 drop from last year still doesn't cover it's original starting price in 2018. It was originally priced at $39,000 and now it starts at $49,990. Nothing is anywhere near as cut and dry as you're making it seem with Tesla. They change so much with their pricing and packaging even quarterly.

My home is mixed Apple (moi) and Google/Samsung (my sister). She loves Android Auto in her new Equinox...works very well from what I've seen. In my Jeep, I mostly listen to Sirius XM channels for New Wave, Classic Rock, Alternative, or podcasts streamed from Overcast on my iPhone or music from Amazon music... once in a while I'll pop in a CD (CD player is in the center armrest, awkward to use). I've tried playing music from a USB flash drive, but the interface on the Jeep's touch screen is so slow when reading from a USB drive...haven't used AM or FM in years...

I do know this. I am NEVER gonna be paying for streaming services. Like EVER. And I am certainly not paying for pay to play monthly car services for an automaker to 'unlock' heated seats or air con or ABS brakes. I have a USB key with a couple a hundred songs on it. If I want to listen to a song, I just plug in the USB key into whatever car I am driving, press the media button and I have FREE access to songs that I have PURCHASED over the DECADES. I have chosen my favorite "drive" songs on this USB key. Sure, these are songs that I have LITERALLY listened 1000 times to, but I am FAR removed from the demographic that the CURRENT rock stars and pop gods entertain to. So its OK. I do listen to the good ole radio. The FREE radio. Not the FM dial. But the good ole reliable AM dial listening, for free, to what people MY demographic listen to. No..it aint political or religious or social. Id rather drive my car off a cliff if I ever do that. Sports talk radio is what I do. And THAT is useless bad drama too sometimes... I pay for internet service so if I want to listen to music at home...I do youtube. I do youtube often as there is plenty of entertainment. I pay for sattelitle TV. But that may becoming to an end as in Canada, internet and TV service costs more than buying gold.... My home has slowly become an Apple home... Thanks in part to my kid's schooling. Its soooooo much easier to have phones and Macs and Macbook airs to connect to each other. I havent delved into the Apple world fully. I havent done Apple TV. I dont know if I ever will. Just to say...nickel and diming for every little aspect of my life is something I will never adhere to. I willgladly pay for services, but when certain services were free or one paid for in a bundle, like between a base stripped car versus a fully equipped one, I aint NEVER payin' a MONTHLY service for heated seats. Or for satellite radio. Or for Spotify or whatever. I LEGALLY bought and PAID for that Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet CD in the late '80s sometime. Ive listened to Wanted Dead or Alive a million times. Why the phoque am I gonna pay for a monthly service JUST to listen to it on Spotify or satellite radio? I OWN it already. I own LEGALLY, LOTS of 1970s/1980s/1990s songs... I took the time to BUY a USB key and I took the time to DOWNLOAD some of these SAME songs that I own LEGALLY, bought and paid for that play ENDLESSLY on Spotify...

When I lived and worked in the DTC in the 00s, I used to get on at the Bellview station and go to out to County Line to meet friends that lived out there, or to University area and downtown..very convenient. They were planning the airport line then...

I understand where you are coming from as I have friends and coworkers who are all about the Apple Universe. My son and Daughter are both heavy on Apple, yet I am as they say behind the times as while they both have apple everything in the house and the amazon doorbell ring system so they can see who is at the door anywhere in the house. I have nothing like that except for my android phones. My wife is not a tech person and as such, I am her tech support as she is finally all in on her Samsung Galaxy 22 with using the calendar and phone book rather than her old manual pen and binder. So getting her to handle other tech changes is rather hard. She has become used to plugging in her phone since I replaced the deck in her SS so she can have google everything. Has come to love it. Like you, I totally get this change to the Qualcomm auto system as it gives a massive computer system to run the auto that will be lighting fast and even Tesla has embraced this approach as what they use is a customer Qualcomm system that they are moving away from to move to the cheaper qualcomm system. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Qualcomm has on their website that they had invited Apple and Google at the start to join in the co-development of their auto Controller system, Apple choose to decline and focus on their own auto. In this regard, I think Apple failed to realize that they could have had a massive impact on the future of autos, and it could come back to bite them in the ass. Instead, Apple choose to over the last decade Sue in court Qualcomm over their tech and failed loosing out many times which has led us to this point. I believe Apple is going to walk away from the auto market and focus on other things. How this works out for Apple fans will be interesting to see. I think it will go for some like my kids that have no problem connecting via bluetooth to existing systems like my kids do in their Jeeps GC autos. For others, I suspect they will turn to when they buy an auto, then stop off at a 3rd party show for an aftermarket deck that supports Apple Carplay.

I understand, I no matter what am like you that I learn and know my surroundings and it is amazing how many people cannot tell you which way is north, south, east or west. Basic knowledge is lacking in many people. Yet with that said, I always log into my google maps for one important feature, the notification of speed traps and basic freeway traffic updates to find faster routes to where I am going as you can learn all the streets and back roads, but with today's cameras everywhere at least here in Washington state, I am able to save massive time by finding alternative routes that are faster and even then I usually know side roads to cut through to make those options faster.

Latest Light rail Map, Service to Lynnwood begins Feb 2024 as they are still building north and south as well as across the lake. Currently light rail is running from Northgate to Angle Lake south of the airport. Service begins later this year from Seattle, across the lake to Redmond. 2022 Progress Report | Sound Transit In regards to the King County property tax, it has run amuck as they have the state tax, county tax, city tax as the base of it and then they add on surface water management charge, City of Seattle drainage charge, fire protection fee, King Conservation District (KCD) fee, and the noxious weed fee. I know they have additional Other Charges too. It is crazy the taxation in that county. I am watching Snohomish closely as they are considering additional taxes, but the County rules require voters approval, so there is far more ability to keep things in check rather than political run away spending and taxing.

I dont like the '77/'78 as much anymore either. 1. too much emphasis on the Smokey and the Bandit thing. Too many folk like the Trans Am JUST because of the movie and therefore are more like poseurs. The 2nd gen Trans Am is soooooo much more than THE Smokey and the Bandit car... But it is what it is... 2. After being a teenager in the mid 1980s, sometimes I look at that front clip and it just reminds me of these. And I really wished it didnt, but when Pontiac decided to use the 'Smokey and the Bandit' styling on these, to me, they really really cheapened the effect of THE Smokey and the Bandit car. And hence why I view the lovers of the Smokey and the Bandit FAKE Trans Am lovers... I really really want to distance myself from THAT. But I cant fully do that as I actually do like a Trans Am...

@oldshurst442 Front F-bird lamps and fascia on the '79 to '81 were safe and decent looking. At least they were really toned down and slotted into the sloped front. Better than '77 and '78. Agree on '75!

My very first car that I ever fell in love with was a '76 Trans Am as a toddler. Cragar SS wheels. Rear tires were fat and the rear was raised as so many muscle cars were in the '70s. The rear window had that grille louver thing. Like the T/A down below. Except I remember the rears being fatter than what this T/A is sporting. Or maybe not. Almost 50 years has passed. Maybe my toddler memory of that car has been mythologized. I was savvy (My son and I saw just saw Pirates of the Caribbean yesterday for the hundreth time...hence the word choice ) to the model years so when I first saw the '79 Trans Am for the first time, I instantly fell in love with that model and replaced it as my favorite. I did see Smokey and the Bandit sometime in 1980 or '81, and I knew that it was a '77 or '78 . Strangely enough, I didnt like it. I mean, yeah I liked it, but the '79 remained by favorite followed by the '76. I later refined my taste to include the '70-'73. Today: I must say, the '76 has lost some of the luster I once had for it. The beak is not prominent enough for my liking. I dont like the '74 and '75 as much either for the same lack of a prominent beak plus the fact that I dont like the front bumper. And yeah, the '77 & '78 Trans Am is still a Trans Am that I would love to own as much as any other 2nd gen, it is not my favorite. Although I love the rear of the '70-73, my favorite rear goes to the '79-81. Second goes to the '76-78 rear. In 3rd place goes to the '70-'73. And lastly is to my least favorite 2nd gen Trans Ams of '74-'75. My favorite body STYLE is '75. What? Yeah...that is when the wrap around rear window debuted. '76 the T-Tops so in essence my favorite FAVORITE body style would BE from '76 on. In reality, Id proudly own and drive ANY 2nd gen Trans Am as is. If I was restomodding one though, I would keep the model year front and rear clips of the model that I would happen to own, BUT, I WOULD change the body style to the '75 or '76 one. T-Tops of course so '76. As dreams go... I dont know if I would do the awesome 17"/18"/19" retro Snowflakes or 17"/18"/19" Cragars...

Snohomish county is on a tax hike focus the last couple of years and I think it is really focused on dense living areas as all the cities here are focused on building retail/office space with apartments all around the lite rail stop points. King County is crazy, my neighbor who he is like me a computer engineer and his wife is a dentist was wanting to move further out but due to where his wife works in downtown Seattle, they bought a house in Issaquah, an old 4 level house built on the side of the hill in 1978 and in need of a massive remodel. He figured would not be hard to do, after 2 years of owning it, but not living in it as he worked through the process to remodel, his property tax bill went from 21K in 2020 to 37K in 2023 and the process to remodel by the city was so crazy and extensive as he supposedly lived in a special drainage area due to being on the side of a hill that they went and made the yard look nice, painted the inside and unloaded it at a loss to an Indian single guy that will probably bring his parents over. King County now has some of the highest property taxes in the nation right up there with New Jersey. It is crazy and folks are leaving King County cause of it.

Spotted this yesterday ... someone is either very fond of this old Pontiac or someone has a huge project on their hands What a sight on a trailer to be pulled by a newer Chevy truck - GM loyalist Look at that old school Pontiac front end - this thing has @balthazar written all over it Crank windows and beat up interior Catalina-Ventura - ha, both within 60 miles of L.A., as the crow flies Rear view

It's funny how that illustration shows all the different colors for the Model Y, anytime I see one of them on the road it's always white w/ black wheels..so bland and fecal. Interesting...a passenger side screen like how Jeep does on some models, but not really well integrated...looks like an afterthought...

Happy Easter Everyone. Wish you all the best weekend.

NO THIS IS FUD AGAIN, you are taking the Profit for the whole company that includes cars, services, loans, etc. and saying that makes it $$$$$ per car of profit and that is NOT how accounting works. EBIT is an acronym for earnings before interest and taxes, and it is used to measure a company's management of profitability. Just as its name implies, it is the amount of profit before interest expenses and tax payments are deducted. This is the whole company of all divisions. You have to actually look at the car sales without the financing department of auto loans or service sector that includes parts, repairs, etc. or all the other little bits. We could do this with GM and give them a HUGE per Auto profit. Or better yet, I could go the other way in pointing out that the profit Tesla is making on their EVs is propped up by HUGE Regulatory Credits that were sold to other auto companies like the Dodge Division for the polluting Charger/Challenger. In 2022, 1.8 billion of pure profit was booked by selling Regulatory Credits to Stellantis. Tesla Regulatory Credits Revenue Boosts Profits And Margins | Fundamental Data And Statistics For Stocks (stockdividendscreener.com) Accounting can manipulate any numbers to look good, that does not mean a company is growing or healthy. Tesla as I already posted produced many unsold EVs to play this 4% growth game when in reality they are looking at a -1% for Q1 2023.

Really? That’s your latest apples to oranges comparison. That is utter horse$h! and you know it but let me spell it out for you. The Model 3 has FAAAAAR less overall competition than any ICE model from Toyota or Chevrolet. It is interesting to note that GM saw an 18% bump in the 1st quarter of this year but hey, I guess it’s easier to cherry pick just one model and compare it against unrelated models. Good grief.

Not to sound too melodramatic, but this touches my soul.

Tesla just cut prices again, $1,000 to $5,000 depending on model. The other guys are raising prices, pretty predictable how this will turn out.

Model 3/Y sales are up nearly 40% in Q1 and those have been around like 5 years. Why aren't Chevrolet or Toyota up 40%? The demand for Tesla I would imagine is 10 times that for Chevy or Toyota. Although I agree that the S/X really need an update, and the 3/Y could use a refresh, maybe even just adding a little screen for speedometer behind the steering wheel. But Tesla cars don't look stale because they don't load them up with plastic body cladding, badges, 2 tone paint, door moldings, etc that all age poorly and they don't have to worry about grille openings and all the bumper plastic that tends to lead to dated styling because the whole car is just body color.