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My math is worng 5% divided by 20% = 4% Elon wants 33% when GM at its height was a mere 20% with less world competition and car manufacturing competence... I aint sayin' its impossible. Anything can happen. But what a tall feat to accomplish on so little.

Lovely old land yacht.

End result is Musk and Tesla have delivered a fraction of all they blow about. Semi Trucks, Roadster 2.0, Cheap Tesla 3, Cybertruck, etc. What is interesting is that Musk has stated that Mexico could produce a cheaper Tesla model, but no defined model has been set for the plant yet. Tesla 3 & Y are on the same platform and with that, they are having issues still in regards to Quality. Just like they never have had a true self driving mode, but a driving mode they sold as self driving that has killed people. Tesla could be in big trouble come 2025/2026 as battery cell production for many OEMs comes online and new EVs come out. Heck after only a couple years Hyundai is already refreshing their EVs. Tesla is still on Stale Models and the heavy discounts tells a story that they are hurting for sales.

Years ago, "Log In with <Social Media Account" was sold as a way to get people to sign up without having them fill out a long sign up form. And that was fine until the social media networks got unstable with that function. The first to go was Google+ which then went to just Google. It was transparent to the end users, but for me, I had to rip it out and install new. Then Facebook got really strict with verification. I'm still in limbo-land with them and have to deal with that by the end of August. They need to "verify" the website, but they won't tell me what country they are verifying from and I block most non-english speaking countries in Asia and Russia because we've had hacking attempts, and that's where 99% of the spam posts come from. Elon has made Twitter... I mean.... ?.... so unstable that we're one of the few sites that use this software that the Twitter ... ?....login actually functions properly for. But I am reading about other site owners in the support forums for this software who are having user issues and the Twitter login doesn't work for them anymore. So since I'm the only one who set it up, I removed it so no one can get caught in the future without being able to log in. I have all of them set up just for testing purposes. I'll set up Log In with Apple in the future, but that's $100 a year to implement, so not a huge priority. I'm in beta testing with the software company for something that will potentially bring a nice influx of new users to the site. I've been trying it for a few days and I'm really excited for it, and it will be interesting for you guys too.

I could not believe anything on this new refreshed Tesla 3, especially the driving range. New Tesla Model 3 Debuts: Chiseled Design, 421-Mile Estimated Range (insideevs.com) Tesla has a ton to do to earn trust on their actual facts about their EVs.

Seems it was settled for $200 million to the states and undetermined at this time software/hardware updates. Hyundai, Kia agree to $200 million settlement with customers over car thefts (nbcnews.com) Now I see a judge has declined the settlement as it is unfair to the owners of the autos. Judge Declines to Approve Hyundai/Kia Class Action Settlement, Noting Weak Proposed Remedies (usnews.com) Major OUCH: QUOTE - letter, the attorneys general of six states and the District of Columbia urged Judge Selna to require automakers to install antitheft technology known as engine immobilizers in all theft-prone Hyundai and Kia vehicles, possibly in combination with a vehicle buyback program, in place of the update and cash payments.

Same here in the STL area. I think Either STL or the state of Missouri was filing a lawsuit with Kia/Hyundai over this. I have no clue where that lawsuit has gone though.

Kias are the most common stolen cars here..there has been a phenomenon this summer the local press has labeled 'Kia Kids' where mindless hooligans steal Kias and wreak havoc around the Cleveland area..

AWD, AWS, A2B, A2C (all two cracks. ) Elon is a blow hard Or too complex for Tesla to make properly.

Just as GM is ramping up Battery production to support more models of EVs on various brands. Every other OEM is also investing in battery plants to increase EV production. Hyundai just signed an expansion agreement with LG Energy Solutions to expand battery production to allow for 300,000 more EVs a year to be built in this country by the end of this year for 2024. This has since 2018 per Hyundai brought 30,000 new jobs to Georgia. Clearly this kind of investment and production will allow competition against everyone from Tesla to Cadillac as these batteries will go into Genesis as well. Hyundai Motor Group and LG Energy Solution to Invest Additional $2B in Bryan County - Hyundai Newsroom

@Drew Dowdell has already explained how its virtually impossible for Tesla to produce 20 million cars in one year. And year after year after that. Actually sell 20 million in one year to customers is even MORE impossible. Especially for Tesla... In 1965. WORLD WIDE CAR PRODUCTION was aprox. 20 million units. GM had aprox. 50% US market share in 1965. JUST about the most it has ever had. GM touched just about 51% US market share in 1961. US car production was aprox 10 million units in 1965. Slightly less but all numbers rounded for my numbers to work nicer. GM had a GLOBAL market share of 5 million on 20 million = to aprox. 25% GLOBAL market share. Elon wants...does NOT mean Elon will get. Its a fairlytale. Elon says Tesla is capable of 20 million units sold? In the 2020s...aprox. global production slowed to 60 million units. It did hit a high of 70 some odd million. Anyway, keep numbers round for easy computation. Elon wants 20 million units out of 60 million. THAT is 33% GLOBAL market share... WTF???!!!! GM at its HIGHEST couldnt hit that much and GM in 1965 was a force that Elon could only DREAM of. And HE could dream big. VERY big. GM done those numbers with MANY brands and ALL brands were firing on ALL cylinders. EACH brand had models that were hotter than the next. Literally hundreds of models across 6 or 7 or 8 brands (6 of them in North America) with ALL kinds of trim levels and engine configs and when the WORLD didnt have as many car makers as it has today... Elon wants 28%-33% GLOBAL market share on the strength of 4 now ancient models, 1 useless pick-up truck, one vaporware Roadster and a phantom 30 000 dollar MSRP Model 2? The Semi production run is inly 50 000 units...Elon projected. So that wont be enough to include in the 20 million unit dream. Yes...many OEMs WILL go under. But the big ones wont. GM, Hyundai (which IS the biggest company in the world), Toyota, VW. Ford will not go under. Mercedes might go under. But 2-4 million units per year and some of those buyers will go to Tesla. But some will go to GM and Hyundai and VW etc... The pie will not magically split up and Tesla will swallow it up. NOT on 4 ancient models. Tesla will have to spend LOTS of BILLIONS to get NEW platforms. And THOSE future models do NOT guarantee success both engineering wise and market share wise. Especially when the world right now is producing EVs... 33%???!!! Stellantis might lose a brand. GM might lose Buick. VW might lose Audi. Toyota might lose Lexus. Hyundai might KIA. Ford might lose Lincoln. But all those OEMs will not lose market share to Tesla. Those OEMs have built-in customers that date back 120 years. It took GM 60 years to get that brand loyalty to dominate in 1965. Tesla has made a dent...in the EV world. Tesla is MINISCULE in the grand scheme of car making things. Tesla has a huuuuge competition problem and the EVs presented by the others are decent EVs. Tesla is not 1965 GM. Tesla is huuuuuge with brand recognition. But even if that, Tesla is not GM of 1965.

I LOVE Phil Kessel!!! The Toronto Maple Leafs, the fans and the media made fun of him, something or tother about hot dogs... ran him out of town but the man...WON 3 STANLEY CUPS!!! HE..is the NHL record holder AND leader for the ironman streak that is STILL going on today! The Bruins fans...in Boston, and me just a little admittedly, used to chant "Thank-You Kessel" whenever he stepped on the ice...because well...Boston got the #2 pick because of him leaving for Toronto. But that #2 pick aint in Boston. Hadnt been IN Boston for a damn while. Only helped us get 1 Cup. Never got another Cup and got chased out of Boston. Kessel...has TWO Cups with Pittsburgh and ONE with Vegas. I LOVE PHIL KESSEL!!! I would have LOVED to see a Boston Bruins team with these fellas on it at the same time: Phil Kessel Taylor Hall Marc Savard In addition to: Patrice Bergeron Brad Marchand David Krejci Milan Lucic David Pastrnak

If Im not mistaken, the Model 3 and Model Y are of the same platform, right? Same construction, right? More or less the same battery components and structure for the vehicles. Even the same structure hard points but the Model Y being just a tad longer, right? Why cant there be a less of everything Model 3 and Model Y to get to 30 000 dollars? Same hard points, but less of whatever less constitutes to bring the MSRP to 30 000 dollars? GM done it with the Bolt and Bolt EUV. They took the Bolt, made it a tad longer, etc and added just a bit more to the MSRP. Surely Tesla could do the same but in reverse manner. I thought the Model 3 platform was scalable in some form? hence the Model Y? But Elon is not doing that. He is content with blabbering on about Model 2, so he could get the investor thing going so the market shares of Tesla keep up so he could finance glass houses and Twitter purchases and go to the moon. I mean Mars.

EXACTLY!!! I wanted somebody to point that out so I could say this: Tesla does not need to produce a 30 000 dollar model BECAUSE the Model Y sells at a VERY high rate just BEING at the price that it is. There is NO incentive for Tesla to produce a 30 000 dollar model because they already HAVE a bread and butter, high volume HIT on their roster. Two models at that. To spend BILLIONS on a NEW platform does NOT make any sense either. The Model 2 would just goggle up sales from the Model 3 and Model Y JUST like how the Model 3 and model Y gobbled up sales from the Model S. And so they wont. Tesla is better off with spending those billions on a NEW Model 3 and Model Y. Keep the price tags as they are. Tesla has their niche and their fans. They do NOT need to go downmarket. Their MSRP market is doing JUST fine where they are. A little side note: Funny how the Model S is NEVER spoken about today when talking about Tesla and THAT is what Tesla was ALL about even just 3 years ago... (Minus the vaporware hooplah like the Cybertruck or roadster...) The Model S is just a speed comparo with the enthusiasts. The Model S is not on anybody else's radar...

Phrasing was wrong..was thinking of the poor quality..poor fit and finish... though some of the engineering is certainly questionable, like the 'self driving' feature that is crash prone, etc....they are too complex for their own good..

Vehicles Thieves Crave Most — and Least https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2023/08/vehicles-thieves-crave-most-and-least/

I was thinking... Since all those three above are on the same platform, and used the same V8...which Ferrari lent them... And since Dodge is also part of Stellantis, being corporate brothers with Alfa... Maybe Dodge could use that platorm as well, and share the EV powertrain to make a new Viper.Squint a little and from this angle, a Viper could be seen. You could tell the front fenders are slithery. Not much work need there. The roof top could be worked to be more snakey. The back end is just as slithery. The wing of the Vipers could work well with the top rear of the Alfa. Just the lights need to be worked on to have some of the Viper's DNA. Original Viper GTS and the body work almost has an Italian flair to it. Which translated to the last Viper as well. But Dodge could ditch the scissor style doors. Not the first time would it be for Dodge and Alfa become brothers The TZ3 Stradale was a Viper underneath. An ev revival to the Viper is necessary I think!

I wanna know who's generation likes and WANTS this kind of shyte and gets entertained by it???!!! It cant be the phoquing boomers??? Is it MY gen. The Gen Xers???!!! Its cant be the millennials or the Z gen. These things are waaaaaaaaay too expensive for them... At least this what the popular word on the street is. This is what we are led to believe that most of them whine that there are no jobs and its tough for them to buy shyte. Shyte like houses... It might as well BE them that ask for this idiocy as I also heard these phoquers dont want to drive...they like their phoquing phones better!!!! Let me explain: I went to the Ford dealership a couple of days ago to set yet another appointment for yet *SIGH* another recall on the Fusion... double *SIGH* This is when I jumped into a Bronco that was in the showroom floor. To my horror...and reaction: When I saw what greeted me when I sat down...where the SPEEDOMETER IS SUPPOSED TO BE!!! Is this what has become of our society? That we need phoquing pictures and photograghs on little screens? Who the phoque decided that a picture where the speedometer is supposed to be is such a great idea that will entertain us when we...drive? Are we phoquing little children that we need this shyte? As a welcome when we get into our car? The Fusion has this Ford start up thing going on. I guess expensive cars greet you by name. If memory serves me right, Tesla does it... I repeat...are we children???!!! I HATE IT!!!! I dont want ANY pictures of wild horses on the big screen and I dont want pictures of rivers where the phoquing speedometer is supposed to be. I just want a phoquing speedometer, a tach at the most. Little idiot lights could be on a TV screen. Any of that could be on a TV screen. I want REAL phoquing buttons to change the temp and radio station in my car. I dont want all the other little shyte that we have today. I just want to DRIVE the phoquing thing. I dont want anything else... Is THIS the reason why cars go up in price? For unnecessary bullshyte like that???!!! Please make it go away?

Same here, while I would like a new auto, my 2006 Escalade and 2008 SS are running fine. I might get a new head unit in the Escalade as the wife has been saying that when she drives it, she misses plugging in her phone and having it all on the screen like the SS she normally drives. Thinking of the Kenwood Excelon Reference head unit. DMX1037S | Navigation and Multimedia | Car Audio | Car Entertainment | KENWOOD USA

In all honesty. I hope that it is the case that the fire was NOT from an EV. I am almost 'there' in the TOTAL acceptance THAT THE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE AND THE VEHICLES THAT ARE POWERED BY THEM to be relegated to the history books. I am not quite 'there' in actually buyng an EV just yet, though. Especially now that my gravy train has made its final stop... EVs are just a tad out of reach for me, now. The Mach E was seriously in the forefront of me buying one in the next 2-3 years. But that notion was quashed as I have another annoucement to make when the time comes... News of products of not so in the distant future such as the Ultium Vehicle to Home tech, or Tesla's now veteran Powerwall system and other systems that WILL be coming online soon enough where a battery pack could be installed in the home, recharged either from the grid or by other external natural means such as (better/newer tech-ed) solar panels to facilitate V2H, V2L, V2G. Its exciting, Maybe not as glamorous as say a dawn to a new musclecar era, but it sure will change our ways of living.

EV 442... 4 Motors 4 Wheels 2 seats ?

Interesting read. Ford retires gas-powered cars in electric vehicle expansion - TheStreet

Sorry your transition is bumpy and uncomfortable @oldshurst442

I dont want to discuss the reasons of me selling. Too painful, still. My ex-partner is no longer with us. By choice... Im on vacation. I took about a month off. Ive got another couple of weeks. I got another job lined up. It wont be paying me as much...obviously. Its still income. I dont want to discuss where just yet as the job aint secure yet. Ive got to prove my worth... Its in management. So its a decent paying job. I wont get my hands dirty anymore. More slowpaced. Im still a boss. But not THE boss. My wife also has gone back to work. She started today. We have to compensate in the income. (cash flow). She, the last 3 years, she wasnt totally a stay at home wife. She needed and wanted to get out of the house. She has a bachelor's degree in finance and in special education. Before we met, she was quite the intelligent young lady. I made her drop of few IQ points. LOL. Anyway, 3-4 years ago, she started working at a primary school nearby our home helping out teachers with special needs children. A few hours a day. Well, with the advent of me selling the restaurant so fast, she asked if she could have a more fulltime position and the school agreed. She is very much needed. Actually, they kept on asking her for more availability...

Oh, yes. I will not be owning one. I learned that firsthand! And, even though I don't like these two characters, it has nothing to do with them.

Oldshurst: saying this under my breath in hush hush style in amazement, shock and with a twinkle in my eye "30 thousand big ones???!!!" Oldshurst to Robert: "Hey...come here!!!" Robert: Looking at my direction with a hand gesture of the index finger pointing at himself Oldshurst: "Yeah you! COME HERE!!!! "You look like an intelligent young man!!! I've got a proposition for you. A once in a lifetime business offer!!!"

Old house went on the market this past Tuesday (22nd) and by Thursday the 24th had 3 offers, incl. one for $30k over listing. It's sold. Closing will be in mid September. Happy happy joy joy... Car related content--drove down to Newark (east of Columbus) Monday night (about 150 miles) for a concert and Waze didn't get me the best route going there..winding back roads through Amish country and random farm equipment on the roads..at least it was sunny and not raining. Coming back drove an extra 25 miles so I could do it all freeway with a short bit of country road. (I enjoy winding country roads on a sunny afternoon leisure drive, but don't do them at night when deer and cows wander the roads). Newark has a downtown square and the Midland Theatre is a gem. (Columbus' 270 belt line is a nice freeway, wide w/ lots of lanes..I wish Cleveland's 480 was as nice...) Then Tuesday evening when commuting between the two houses drove through some of the heaviest rain I've driven in many years..reminded me of getting caught in an Arizona monsoon. Intense, heavy rain...couldn't see the markings on the road, had to follow people's flashing taillights on the fecal 480. In the construction zones often several inches of water pooling on the roadway...later heard that there were tornados in parts of Cleveland a few miles from me. Crazy wet summer... The Jeep has been great in the rain, with the Michelins and Bosch wipers. Hit 76k miles on Wednesday.

I have read some fantastic books on diving on the Doria. She is quite decomposed at this point. This car is a work of art.

very cool read Policy Brief: Powering the EV Market: How Electricity Providers are Planning for the Future (zeta2030.org) ZETA-Utility Policy Brief 7_21.pdf