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Motorcycle Drew always wanted a motorcycle. One clue is Triumph, right? Triumph does indeed make motorcycles. I do not know much about motorcycles therefore I do not know what motorcycle engine is legendary in its class other than I know that a Yamaha V Max is quite legendary. Harley Twin is legendary but American so no bueno with the clues given and the Hayabusa is also legendary. But that means a Ninja is also legendary. I still go with Triumph. What Triumph motorcycle though is another question that I wont be able to answer. Other than the TR6R that I love from Triumph and their retro model they did a few years ago, I dont know much...

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Rotary? RX-8? Probably not. Ill go with inline 5. Maybe turbo.

More of a network problem rather than an electric car problem. Granted, a problem with the charging of a network BECOMES an electric car problem... We've all seen vacation problems go to shyte because of all sorts of things going bad with cars, boats, airplanes and somehow we dont blame the entire industry... and say a reality check is needed. How many families over the last century have been driving long distances on the way to Wally World from Chicago and the radiator blew somewhere between the Grand Canyon and Flagstaff. Yes. I understand what the narrative is said to be with electrical cars. But the fact is that the Porsche Taycan was not the problem. The charging network was a fault. Maybe there needs to be a government intervention to force the operators to actually upkeep their system? I guess we dont want more government intervention... Its a business. In a CAPITALISTIC WORLD. NO GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION...SO... If the owners of these charging networks suck in upkeeping their charging machines... There is a business opportunity for a smart business man to make loads of money: 1. for a repair man to start selling his services in repairing said defective chargers 2. and if these sucky owner/operators do NOT want to fork over money for repairs, then another smarter business owner/operator could start opening up charging stations that are in PERFECT operating order and KEPT that way... HE will reap the reward... Honestly, I dont see that as an EV problem.

But...we are discussing HYPOTHETICALS.... I understood you quite well. I gave you plenty of 'real' examples to counter your hypothetical scenarios. It is what it is! At least we both had a good back and forth and that is all I could ask for in discussing stuff! On to the next subject!

ah...no! Same brand of truck. Not same identity of truck. Workhorse meant for the job site. Possibly RWD only. I would assume RWD would be the one to have for maximim towing capabilities. Wheels and tire combos for work duty. Not pretty etc... Poseur truck for the lifestyle dude with machismo styling cues lifted. Capable offroader. Luxury version. Possible all wheel drive/4 wheel drive. Chrome accents. Meant for the luxury poseur that wont go off-roading. Offroading beast with the same lifestyle machismo styling cues and lifted. And if it were still available...on road speed demon. The least capable for hauling and off roading of all. All different trucks. Same platform. Engine differences between all that I posted. One sticking point that I get is that ICE engines are the souls of vehicles. From a standard 5.7 Hemi for work duty to a turbo cummings diesel or any other diesel for even more towing capabilities to super quiet tuned V8s for luxury duty to supercharged 700 horsepower or so enthusiast tuned. And with that to, lifted with off the charts off roading suspension with lodas of travel and skid plated to a possible stiff suspenioned, low to the ground road racer. One platform. Yes. One brand. But that one platform could be transformed into many things by anybody... GM does not have a TRX/Raptor competitor. Outside firm does one. NOT the same identity as this truck. just like none of the Rams have the same identity. GM could sell the platform to somebody and they could come up with something like that Paxpower 442 Silverado truck with different sheetmetal... They dont even need to buy GM crate engines. They could go with Mopar crate engines. Or they could stick with GM crate engines... An EV platform supplier (with powertrain) is just 1 step above of what AMG was doing with Mercedes cars and what RUFF is still doing with Porsche... Ill keep on saying it... A distinction without a difference no matter what angle you want to take this to. Well...GM will supply skateboard platforms and battery tech to Honda without Honda being under the GM umbrella as of now. What difference will it BE if Honda and GM merge 5 years from now as opposed to now as they remain two separate entities yet will share the same platforms and battery tech? NONE. A distinction WITHOUT a difference... The end result is STILL the same as Honda will be using GM platforms and battery tech either way. The difference will be is that Honda as its OWN entity will be able to spin its OWN identity to the platform and battery tech as opposed to a merger in which Honda will just be another shytty Chevrolet... Non? You see the catch-22... I see it. You see it. We are saying the same thing, but differently. A distinction without a difference. Fair enough!

GM had a hand in all that... GM was the one to perfect brand perception and recognition. With GM having internal competition with drivetrains across their umbrella. Pushing their FoMoCo and Chryco competiton to do the same. GM had a hand in consolidating all the weaker OEMs into their own umbrella. Or out-muscling the competition and swallowing them into their umbrella. Homologizing the industry 75-80 years ago. The start of the loooooong end. GM also had a hand into making brand recognition more than the drivetrain part by stopping Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick and Cadillac make their own engines. By forcing a corporate engine upon them. marketing then switched to brand recognition...which they botched. Volkswagen took that idea though and perfected it. As did Lexus and Acura. Then GM got too big to produce certain things on their own, which started the trend to out-source certain parts... But here we are...we wanna lay blame the switch to EVs...

Well...as you stated with GM over the course of 75-80 years. Durant bought many OEMs. Many were consolidated just before the war or right after with other GM brands. Others were folded outright just before the war or right after. Others toughed it out and were recent losses. Chryco bought out several other brands before the war and right after the war. These brands were consolidated into the Chryco corporation only to have Chryco being bought out by another corporation that has had its own history of buying out other OEMs.... From literarily thousands of car makers all over the world 100 years we are left with a little bit more than a handful... We've lost a dozen in the last 20 years. All American. (Plymouth, Mercury, Pontiac, Oldsmobile...etc...) Only now you are worried about this? Been happening since waaaaay before the EV thing was ever a thing. Marchionne before he died said what you are fearing now. At that time, Tesla was laughed at and was not a 'threat' to no one. We are still laughing at Telsa... But after all the smoke is gone, Tesla will probably be one of those that will be supplying platforms and EV drivetrains to everybody else... There will be a day when Toyoter WILL be consolidating with either a GM or Ford... Honda will be using GM's EV platforms and battery tech. Will Honda be part of the GM umbrella one day? The Ram thing was just to illustrate how one platform could be used SEVERAL different ways with DIFFERENT results and identities. No matter if that one platform that I showed all happened to be Dodges. Toyota (and Scion) and Subaru did a shyte job of distinguishing their 86/FRS/BRZ GM and Toyota did a shyte job of distinguishing between their Matrix/Vibe Toyota and BMW did a satisfactory job of distinguishing between there Supra/Z4 ALL ICE vehicles BTW...

Been in the making since... ------------------------------------------ I have been a fan of General Motors products of the 1980s and 1990s. So yeah...I guess appliance-conversion is my thing. But since we are on that discussion. We are focused on Rivian's 4.5 foot bed, Hummer's 5 foot bed because we are focused on hauling shyte. We are soooooo into hauling shyte that we are solely viewing pick-up trucks AS appliances. Yet...with Dodge as an example to show how one platform could be used differently with simple engine, suspension tuning to differentiate one from another. To illustrate what you already know, but want to cling on to an argument that really is much ado about nothing. And if Dodge wanted to, they could slam it on the ground and make the TRX into what they did when SRT stuck a V10 under the hood. 'coupe' or 'sedan' Again...what difference does it make if one supplier supplies a platform to multiple makers? If the multiple makers could make something unique of their own imagination and style? What difference does it make if 1. a platform by one maker is made into several itinerations by 1 brand 2. a platform by one maker is made into several itinerations by SEVERAL brands within 1 corporation 3. a platform by one maker is made into several itinerations by several brands by several corporations? Ive discussed this matter SEVERAL WAYS: A DISTINCTION WITHOUT DIFFERENCE

Therefore...when Diamond Star Motors shares platforms and engines with Chryco, or when Toyota shares platforms and engines with (only) Pontiac (GM) and built in the same joint venture California plant starting with a Toyota Corolla bones and engine but built as a Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe or when Toyota and Subaru join forces to make a sports car or when BMW and Toyota join forces to make another sports car or when Mazda sells their Miata platform to Alfa Romeo or when VW uses Chrysler's minivan platform or when... the smaller sports car makers use GM's Corvette engine or AMG's V8s or V12s or Toyota's 6 cylinder (Lotus) to make their sports cars... This has been happening loooong before battery electrics was a thing. Like I said earlier, whether the world goes EVs or stays with the internal combustion engine, homogenization of the automobile will continue to happen and eventually a handful of platform makers will be alive. Same with battery makers. Or engine builders if ICE is to be kept alive. Or brake manufactures (Brembo)... Ill repeat A distinction without a difference.

Nope. Chevrolet is its own brand. Chevrolet was co-founded with Louis and Durant and eventually Louis sold to GM. Buick is its own brand. Durant was an investor and eventually became the 1st OEM under the GM umbrella. GMC as it were, is its own brand. Durant gained control of 2 Michigan area OEMs and spun them into GMC trucks. Cadillac is its own brand. GM purchased the OEM in 1909. Chevrolet supplies corporate with the engines. At one time, each OEM, from the GM umbrella, made their own. Their own suspensions. Their own transmissions. Their own brakes.... GM umbrella lost many OEMs under their corporate umbrella over the years that were acquired in the same way as the other OEMs of GM's history: Oldsmobile, Opel, Oakland, SAAB, Holden or simply brands that GM created to fill in market voids and to conquer other markets such as Pontiac, Lasalle and Saturn. But to say that the existing brands of Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac (forget about GMC just because) are the same (corporation) is disingenuous to the context of what we are talking about here with EV platform sharing across many OEMs under a different umbrella. If Chevrolet can and could be a different brand and OEM from Pontiac which can and could be a different brand and OEM from Oldsmobile which can and could be a different brand and OEM from Buick which can and could be a different brand and OEM from Cadillac BECAUSE they make their own engines and suspensions...but even when they dont make their own suspensions and engines, BUT each brand tunes their same platforms and same engines differently... then a platform maker could sell their platform to anybody and that anybody could tune their EV platform the way they want it making it their own brand and identity. Distinction without a difference. End result is the same. Homogenization of the automobile...no matter what corporate umbrella we fall under or whatever business model we like to choose... You are absolutely correct though... No need for different brands when the bones underneath are the same. Meaning, there is no need for Buick. or Cadillac. Or Chevrolet in 2021 under the GM umbrella... End result is the same....

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A distinction without a difference End result is the same Like the NASCAR sticker cars that GM sold on the street all with the same DOHC 3.4 liter V6. Just the suspension tuning was done differently to achieve different levels of corporate brand identity. All had different dashboards to achieve another level of corporate brand identity. The outer shell was made to look and feel different from the other corporate brands. And...you would be correct. As GM lost 2 out of those 3 brands. And about brand loyalty... I guess its there. With leasing its a lot less prevalent. But...as GM tuned the suspension differently from the Lumina Z34 from the Pontiac GP GTP DOHC 3.4 from the Olds Cutlass Supreme DOHC 3.4 and had a different dashboard and outer shell... AND GM had slightly tuned engine differences with suspension differences between their 3rd and 4rth gen Camaros and Firebirds What difference does it make how many BEV skateboards are being sold to different OEMs for each OEM to tune THEIR same BEV skateboard to achieve a difference from the others? Further more, GM will be doing EXACTLY that within their own corporation with their own BEV platform that will be sold as a Chevy, Buick, GMC and Cadillac. Each brand will tune their own electric motor and suspension while having different ranges and acceleration speeds and what not... Remember, Chevrolet is (was?) its own OEM different from Buick which was different from Cadillac and Buick is (was?) its own OEM different from Chevrolet which was different from Cadillac and Cadillac is (was?) its own OEM different from Chevrolet which was different from Buick. Further further more If a company just buys that one BEV skateboard platform but has its own electric motors and battery tech, isnbt that kinda the same with what GM did with its own brands with each brand producing its own engines? If you look at the 1968-1972 GM A body, the exterior styling even looked the same... The pony cars from 1967-1980 all looked the same. The 3rd gens also looked the same... Then we just get into the messy badge engineering stuff... Like I said... a distinction without a difference. For humour and not for trolling Time stamped...

@trinacriabob A couple of mistakes. But overall excellent. Yes... Pointe-à-Callière The founding site of Ville-Marie settlement that later became Montréal. It is now, since 1992, a museum complex. I occasionally talk to myself...in one of the three languages I speak, usually English though, just to keep...sane. No joke.

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In other words... Whether the future rides on EVs or remains with the status quo with the internal combustion engine... homogenization of the automobile will continue on regardless... Therefore, could we all put our big boy pants on and stop the needless whining?

Why are we bitchin' at this? Because we think that EVs are going to be same shyte appliance compliance vehicles? GM has been doing exactly that since the 1970s. Even GM's pony cars at about 1979 or 1980 with the 2nd gen and DEFINETELY with the 3rd gen this has been going on... Its an argument that has loooooong been written. 1980s Ford Thunderbird/Mercury Cougar 1980s Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable 1980s Ford Mustang/Mercury Capri 1980s Ford Tempo/Mercury Topaz Chrysler's K cars Chrysler's Cloud cars. 1980s AND 1990s FWD GM Pontiac Bonneville/Oldsmobile Delta 88 and 98/Buick LeSabre Chrysler's cab forward midsizers both gens before going to RWD. Chrysler Concord, Dodge Intrepid, Eagle whatever it was... Eagle Talon/Mitsubishi Eclipse 1st gen and 2nd gen Volkswagen in Europe with Seat cars in the 1990s... This has been going on for a LOOOOONG time waaaaaay before EVs came into the picture. Can we just stop the EV drama???!!!

Looks like the Olds and Buick version... Then goes on to look like the '80s Cavalier version...