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well.... What direction is that? The decision to keep the XTS just because it prints money... How prostitutey is that? The ΧTS just CONFUSES the customer base... Keep in mind Im this critical JUST because I see the double standard accusations of Mercedes-Benz and the defending of Cadillac! But lets face reality.... The XΤS, no matter how good the product is, it still represents Cadillac's not so distant dark ages that Cadillac ITSELF wants to DISTANCE themselves from.... And to make it look like the NEW Cadillac that Cadillac wants to be is just....ass backwards Then again, the Escala is that new face that Cadillac wants to become and the CT6 will benefit from it as I think the CT6 with this refresh will skyrocket with sales next year.... Back to the direction of Cadillac... With JDN WANTING to go SMALLER than the ATS when the ATS becomes the CT3 and we give shyte to Mercedes-Benz for offering a new car but same as CLA... So I ask again....what direction are you liking? ΟΚ...powertrains the TTV8 is a-coming.... It needed this engine a DECADE ago!!! The GM corporate V8 which happens to be THE CORVETTE engine was a GREAT choice to power all those V Series Cadillacs, but....the false perception snobs snubbed that decision but that is all in the past! But...still does NOT change the fact that the new DOHC TTV8 is needed YESTERDAY! When the TTV8 does come out....THE "IN" motorvation does not lay with turbo V8s, but with 100% electric motors and batteries... Hopefully Cadillac has these and its just SUPER SUPER SECRETIVE! So...what double standard excuse are we gonna look at to justify Cadillac's direction? The inclusion of MORE CUVs and SUVs in the line-up to boost sales???!!!

Time will tell if down market and over saturation of Mercedes Benz in every drive-way will affect Mercedes perception in the US and Canada. Let it be known that that strategy did not bode well for Cadillac in the 1980s and Cadillac is still hurting from that decision (not the only misstep though) and BMW is hurting NOW because of those decisions made in the beginning of the 2000s.

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Im more of the "look at me" colour combos when it comes to the sporty sports cars and regarding the Challenger is no exception. Although white and gray do look good, and so does black on the Challenger, I want the cops to see me with their own eyes 5 miles away without the radar to issue me a speeding ticket. In other words, stealth is not what I look for in these types of cars....yes yes..a bit of an extrovert I am!!! Go Mango with racing stripes Sublime with black hood The Scatpack with the Shaker and huge racing stripe from the shaker to the trunk of the car in blue The classic Charger is in white for me though with the 440 Six Pack. 1970 R/T. No shaker. Its the movie influence...Kowalski

Yes....we both say this time and time again!

To be fair, the Demon is kinda like a one-off specialty car. And cars like the Demon were offered in the 1960s by all three Detroit area car companies Like a 1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt... only 100 were built, and all carried a disclaimer plate in the glovebox regarding the not-up-to-standard fit and finish of the fiberglass panels and plexi-glass windows. Or a 1963 Pontiac Catalina Super Duty... with its famous drilled “Swiss Cheese” frame that was ordered on 15 cars. Power came from a special dual-quad version of Pontiac’s 421-cubic-inch V-8 that was also likely underrated at 405 hp. The engine option cost nearly as much as the car itself. The usual assortment of aluminum and plexi-glass were also specified to further lighten the car.... The Demon even mimics this as it only comes with 1 seat....(sure you could buy the other seats for 1 dollar each, but it IS marketed that it comes with ONLY the driver's seat) It is a great way to celebrate these factory drag cars that were once part of the American scene and for somebody that cherishes those times, this is the car for him/her for that price! Personally, a Demon is overkill for my tastes on so many levels starting with those fender flares and that giant air grabber hood. I prefer the Hellcat's more subdued look, if you could call the Hellcat more subdued. LOL! 800 plus horsepower is also overkill. So is 707, but 707 was the original mind blowin' number and the Hellcat was the first cool demonic name and logo that the name and logo that is Demon is just....overkill and passé. So yeah, Id forgo the Demon myself and would just get a Hellcat or Scatpack...

Hold on now!!! We like to wax poetic about Cadillac at C&G, but I see many arguments made by SMK, myself and many counter arguments to criticize Mercedes Benz in some of the commentaries at the GMI thread AGAINST Cadillac waaaaaay in 2009!!! But we choose to ignore the FAULTS and the REALITY concerning Cadillac! Well, here's the problem - years ago, no one knew a thing. Now, you can google Epsilon and a Buick or Malibu pops up. People now google their prospective cars and read reviews, and the reviewers are always looking for a story - for conflict to generate. This is easy conflict. Just like the "High Value" engine debacle GM tried to foist onto Chevy. So, the reviewers draw attention to what really is a non-issue and they take 1/3 of the article doing it. Then GM has to defend it, while the stalwarts ( BMW and Mercedes) just sit back and laugh. In other words, if you're going to buck the trend, then you better have a good reason for doing it. Cost is not a good reason in a reviewers eyes or the public's eyes and especially in this class. There is no good engineering or performance issue for putting a Cadillac flagship on Epsilon. Take that back - there is one. If you could say that Epsilon allows VOLTEC and Sigma doesn't. That's the only way around it I see. Otherwise GM is just on defense on launch - not a good place to be. Contrast that to DOHC V8s. There are very good reasons for using a TT DI DOHC V6 over a NA DOHC V8. That's defendable and then you can go on offense with MPG or performance characteristics on launch even though there will still be detractors. I agree ... but what you are describing is exactly what Buick is supposed to do. Buick is the brand for folks who want a nice cars with lots of features, but don't want to pay too high a price for it. Cadillac is the upsell. My only thought on why -- right now -- a FWD 'base' Cadillac may make sense is that there are very likely a significant group of older buyers who have been buying cars like the DTS who very likely will not be willing to "move down" to a Buick. If GM's market research shows this to be true, I can see why Caddy would want to continue to sell to this market. But from a brand perspective, such a move should be considered a transitory effort ... eventually those buyers should be -- by elevating Buick in terms of product and branding -- pursuaded to buy Buicks. From 2009... The year we are in RIGHT NOW is 2017... And the issues at Cadillac are the same and the XΤS is STILL sold with the same issues at Cadillac!!! A tad less as there is the CT6 and the ΧΤ5 οn the showroom floor... But SMK gets roasted when he praises M-B SMK gets roasted when he says EXΑCTLY what was said by others ON A DIFFERENT FORUM WAY BACK in 2009! I SAY THE SAME THING CONCERNING THE XTS! Like I said: Yes there is a double standard when Americans dont hold the same standards for the German car makers, but American Car Lovers ALSO hold a double standard as they TURN A BLIND EYE TO CADILLAC BUT POINT THE FINGER AT MERCEDES OR BMW!!!

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sure it is!!!! But its only bad if Mercedes Benz does it and only bad if SMK approves of it!!! But its OK if GM does it because the ΧΤS prints money for GM! And yes, the ΧΤS is less of a Cadillac. It should NOT be in the line-up ANY longer as the CT6 and XT5 NEW generation Cadillacs are here and POINTING the WAY FORWARD!!! I even question the validity of the ATS!!! But what may bad for the goose in faulting M-B for crappy and questionable marketing strategies is good for the gander for Cadillac for just as stupid moves! It all depends on what side of the fence you are sitting on! Double standards!

For the post directly above SMK's post NOT involving SMK at all!!! Alls I see is double standards flowing from sea to shining sea... Im with CP on this and then some....but I wont be sharing my views any further because there is too much blind loyalty involved.... Im leaving this thread as Im embarrassed by some of you!!!

@A Horse With No Name Montreal and the Province of Quebec and its inhabitants are far from perfect. We have more of our fair share of problems, hypocrisies, intolerances, stupidities, corruptions, ass backwardnesses and the like. But it seems as much as crap we have, we get through it, we BOND as a society and try to solve our problems TOGETHER! Sure, in the past we were NOT as tight as we are today in 2017, but that is the thing, Montrealers and the people of Quebec in general have faced many cultural fights with many facets and culture defining moments with many facets that we are definitely very comfortable in our own skins as Quebecois today after all these changes since Jacques Cartier first navigated the St. Laurence river and Samuel de Champlain tried to do trade with the locals and Jeanne Mance and Paul Chomedey de Maisonneuve settled the area known as Hochelaga renamed city of Ville-Marie to what is known as Montreal today along with the defeat of the French at the Plains of Abraham in Quebec city by the English with General Wolfe and Commander Montcalm all the way to today with 2 referendums to separate Quebec from Canada to the protection of the French language and Culture to the English lessen their stranglehold on their dominance to acknowledging the French and for both cultures embracing all other immigrants... Lot of turmoil in there and Montreal is 375 years old this year, so that makes it at least 375 years of this pain, we did learn something along the way in 375 years! And that is Montreal's birthday, French settlements and indigenous peoples history is a tad more older than that....

This would be the last temptation of Christ! This snake would have him in all kinds of sins!

9 seconds of excitement and its all gone...LOL Good one! Actually, all vids you posted were right on! Oh....this caption surmises well my first girlfriend Something about my snake and her trying to swallow it whole at an astonishing rate of speed!!!

This wreaks of socialism (allocation based on sales performance) and Communism (profit limitations by trying to reduce Dealer mark-ups) This is nothing but a Liberal agenda! Either that or this is Anti-American! I havent decided what route I should take with this rant but one thing is for sure...the Dodge Hellcat or Demon is the Anti-Christ!!! What we really need to complete the Apocalypse is for the serpent to show up again and entice and lure and tempt Eve again with a shiny new red apple... As we already have a nice Catholic Priest trying to exorcise the Beast! I realize it takes 4 ponies to commence the Apocalypse...there is this guy right here! 1000 HP BANDIT rising from burning ashes FIREBIRD TRANS AM resurrection! They all got the Devil inside!!!

Montreal! Summer is just great! Sure its humid. Its not the 'dry heat' thing I always hear about when people reference Nevada, Arizona, some parts of California, mainland Greece (the islands are humid, but Greek beaches tend to make you forget the humidity). But, honestly....who cares about the humidity???!!! After a long hard winter (which no longer is THAT hard due to 'climate change'-whether you believe it to be true or not, whether its human-kind influenced or just a natural flow of occurrence of billions of years in the making, but make no mistake about it, it is real and there is a difference that Ive personally seen and experienced just based on the fact that 40 years ago as a child, winters in Montreal had literally more snow storms and snow falls and more -40F degree weather than what Im experiencing as an adult for the last 20 years!) we really ANTICIPATE AND GREET SUMMER WITH OPEN ARMS! Its like XMAS and Birthdays! We await summer like we await to open our gifts! The problem with winter is, it is too long....the definition of lasting tooo long is that the transition between winter and spring to lead into the warmer temperatures is long. Spring in Montreal is nice....but the weather is in between. Some days the weather is your typical spring warmish weather, but sometimes it is very wintery! Freezing weather and snow and slush! It really is not that cold....but the ANTICIPATION for the real warmth is overwhelming! Autumn...what a BEAUTIFUL time of the year in the Atlantic east board or if you prefer North AmericanNorth East! Leaves are changing with the nice colours, the temperature is still hot, not scorching humid hot like in July, but very very comfy, like June and August nice. Indian Summer gets you that additional July weather but with a nice cool breeze! This is where things fell apart. Winter started again in the last week of October in Montreal in little bursts and as November drew to a close, winter had already set in...but that is not the case anymore....winter does really start in mid December so we enjoy the Fall nowadays! No...Montreal does not have the Pacific Ocean California beaches, or the South Atlantic Ocean South Carolina beaches or the Caribbean near South Atlantic Florida beaches or the Gulf of Mexico beaches of America's Southlands! But Montreal does have nice lakes and calm enough rivers for our water fun. We get by just good enough thank-you very much! And what we lack from those party-on ocean beach life styles, we more than make-up for it and then some with our LIVE ET LET LIVE and JOIE DE VIVRE!!!

I feel like this 100% myself! And I get quite ANNOYED when people say the Challenger handles badly! They dont handle badly! They are quite capable! And...at the end of the day, they handle just as good as any car on the road today! No....not at Ferrari or Corvette levels or even Alpha Camaro 1LE levels, but at the very least, Acura TL SH-AWD levels especially at the LEGAL LIMITS of the POSTED SPEED LIMIT!!! And....if anything, they are eons and eons and eons and eons ahead of what the Mustang and the Camaro and Firebird of the mid1990s-early 2000s handled! And....at the very least, are not too far away from being on par handlers with many German lux sedans of that same time frame....after all, the platform and suspension set-ups are from that same time frame...and MOPAR engineers did improve from that anyway! And I dont recall, even today in 2017, ANYBODY SAY ANYTHING CRAPPY ON HANDLING ON THESE GERMAN CARS FROM THAT TIME FRAME (1990s) WAS!!! AU CONTRAIRE....PEOPLE PRAISE THESE CARS EVEN IN 2017! So yeah! The hypocrisy and semantic driven drivel and bias is inescapable!

@A Horse With No Name Well...this thing about Ford that you have is perfectly normal. You dont like Ford....you. dont. like. Ford. period. No need to justify your feelings to anybody. You wouldnt be able to talk to me outta of any brand though as I have my own biases and agendas that I deal with...INTERNALLY! When I buy a car... 1. I look to GM first. 2. then I look to all other cars and brands that are in the same price bracket and more or less same category that fits my buying and usage needs for that point in time 3. I narrow the list down to the cars that best fit my needs both financially and practicality. 4. then I buy the right car for me based on those biases and agendas. 5. Looks of the car is on top of that list. 6. "Buy American" is high on that list...GM being at the top of that "Buy American" list. 7. Yes....cars and brands that I deem to be douchey based on stupid anecdotes and personal feelings towards a certain brand because of personal reasons as shallow as my friends being douchey because of what cars they drive and respect is a factor! With that being said...I dont help people buy cars...people have their very own biases and agendas regarding cars that I noticed gets to be MORE sensitive than actual talk of politics...so I just play dumb when the conversation turns to what cars are the best and what cars should be bought...... I talk car talk all the time...but its more on the lines of Jay Lenos Garage. People know Im car crazy, but they also know I LOVE ALL KINDS OF CARS...but they know that my PREFERENCE is American Muscle! Some folks have a problem with that too! But I wax poetic in such a way that makes American Muscle cars cool and I make it known that I dont care what they think about them!

Cherish these moments Drew! There will come a time when these family members wont be around and those "boring" stories will cease to be told again... And then the details of these stories will soon fade away and lost forever. (If by what I think what you mean by stories is lovable family anecdotes and family history) (If maybe you mean dumb nonsensical ranting and crappy family feuding gossip, then I agree with your sentiment!!!)

All of us have these biases but most of us cant handle acceptance of others! Some of us use semantics to justify our blindness... Some of us LOVE to point out fallacies in arguments but INCREDIBLY WILLFULLY IGNORE those fallacies in our own arguments while sitting on a high horse! I dont really hate on brands....only on fanboys...and on SEMANTIC driven discussions where blind loyalty or BLATANT HYPOCRISY is concerned. I was recently schooled by a member in here where I found a car to be good looking and he doesnt but he used MY argument against me, problem is....in the same thread, this person defended an out dated look on a new car while schooling me.... Irony...he used frowny faces to frown upon a car that I deemed to be good looking.... THAT made me HATE on CADILLAC just know just because THAT particular person defended the current Arts and Science theme on the CT6...because he himself is a fan of Cadillac! You see...I LIKE the LC500 And YES, predator face works well on that car... You may not like predator face on the SUVs and the big sedan....but JESUS EFFIN CHRIST!!!! CANT YOU LOOK PAST THAT and SEE THE BEAUTY in a car that DOES NOT CONFORM to the USUAL HO HUM!!!! ALL IN THE WHILE NOT SEEING A DATED LOOK AT A NEW EFFIN CAR THAT WAS and IS SUPPOSEDLY THE BEGINNING OF A NEW AGE AT CADILLAC JUST BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF IS A FANBOY FOR CADILLAC!!! THE CT6 might have outsold the BMW 7 SERIES 2:1....IT SHOULD HAVE OUTSOLD THE BMW 7 SERIES 5:1!!!! IRONY PART DEUX: WE FROWN UPON ME SAYING THE LC500 IS A GOOD LOOKING CAR WHILE TRYING TO USE MY WORDS AGAINST ME, YET CADILLAC USES AN OUTDATED LOOK TO SELL ITS BRAND NEW FLAGSHIP, YET JDN DOES NOT CALL IT A FLAGSHIP, AND JDN DOES NOT OFFER A COMPETITOR TO THE LC500, YET WE MAKE FROWNY FACES TRYING TO OUT-SEMANTIC SMK FOR HIS LOVE OF MERCEDES AND MY LOVE FOR THE LC500!!! THAT IS WHAT I FIND DEPLORABLE!!! The only brand that gets me all hot and bothered is BMW....only because my personal real life friends have put (in the past...like in the 1990s all the way to the mid-2000s) BMW on a undeserving high pedestal...and their attitude was much like what the Cadillac thread turned out! Yeah...and those friends of mine jumped off the BMW bandwagon and are sucking on Audi's teat know! I HATE the SEMANTICS and the DOUBLE STANDARDS!!! I dont hate on the cars themselves! I may not like what those cars represent though!

Im gonna argue with you here. Balthy... This car...the LC500... It my not have what YOU find attractive, but that does not mean it don't look good. Beauty is skin deep. I will assume and say you like this car from Chryco... The Lexus is not far from having this style it its design... And why do you use Lego as your argument? To further demean the look of the LC500? Look at those fenders from the Mopar... Technically, if you wanna use Lego as an argument, technically, one could try to pry those fenders off with their bare hands and it would seem like they would come off and one could just go to a Lego bin and just pop in another fender...

Hate is a very natural human emotion! I say embrace your hatred and your anger. Let it flow. Through you, over you, all around you! Dont ease up! Just accept and grow stronger! You hate Ford? I say GOOD FOR YOU!!! Ford fans = Jedi younglings @A Horse With No Name = Annakin Skywalker

The LCF will arrive soon enough.. A 471 HP V8 is a good starting point... The LCF is predicted to have in and around 600 HP... The Lexus has 1 thing going for it... GREAT looks! You may not like predator face, but it works very well with this car. The BMW 6 Series coupe is gone and I dont think the 8 Series that will be replacing it will do any better. The 1st gen 8 Series was actually not to bad of a car with great looks but it failed in the market place... The Lexus LC500 will probably wont displace the M-B SL class coupe in sales, but please dont say that Lexus dont have the ballz! 1. The LC500 is actually a concept car that was put into production almost 100% intact from its concept form. 2. You asked for a hi-po version? Lexus will sell you one pretty soon!

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