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Thanx Hyper for acknowledging me.... Both rants of mine were not really intended for you, even though it seemed like it was. I knew you knew about the military grade BS... Sorry if I did sound like an arrogant condescending prick... In this case...more for Wings and the Admin....I felt it was needed for me to be a condescending prick so my voice could actually be heard. Thanx again Hyper for acknowledging me...

Yes...I know. But...they said tanks...'they' as in the parties in this thread that are discussing... And this: From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_alloy The link also provides more info... And if one chooses to read the link, one will see that there are different levels between the series as well, and 6000 series as the bolded part says, is used in almost everywhere in any domain...civilian or military... Meaning what I said about military grade being marketing bullshyte 101 very very very very very ACCURATE!!! If the admin at CheersandGears would stop being arrogant sometimes and just listen to what I have to say and the admin could stop trying to act as if they know it all, all the time...maybe they could learn something from time to time.... I dont often say bold and factual things...but when I do....its because there is TRUTH to what I say... Sometimes Im 100% accurate, sometimes Im missing a tiny piece of information....but in any case....Im very very very very very ACCURATE!!! Thanx for trying to school me, but yet again...'tis you that needs to take a step back to rethink it all... Yeah....like the P-38 incident.... I havent gone over that..... Its a shame because the REAL and ACCURATE source of info that I got is lost forever...what we have left is the romantic tale of the P-38... But then again...I did mention tail fins...but your ego couldnt allow me being even PARTIALLY right to meet me in the middle....what we did get was MY POSTS WERE ERASED!!! MERRY XMAS NON THE LESS!!!

1. There is no such thing as 'military' grade aluminium. That is marketing bullshyte 101. 2. Metals that are military grade mean different things for different purposes and applications. Sometimes cost is the qualifier. Yes...cheaper in price could also dictate a metal as military grade...something to think about. Sometimes its thickness. Sometimes its strength... 3. Tanks are not made with aluminium. Steel. That is the material of choice for tanks. You guys did say tanks...armoured vehicles use aluminum in certain areas. Not tanks. Depleted uranium is used on the Abrams M1A tank between sheets of steel for its armor plating... Modern tanks as in new generation tanks use newly engineered composite materials in the ceramic family... There is some form of aluminium that is used in tanks...but that is not what is meant by military grade and this aluminum is called aluminium oxide...not the same material at all... You guys could continue arguing now...

My message to you Stew. Its what Clark says... And its not the Merry Xmas or Happy Hanukkah thing that he says... For all I know, you are not religious or Jewish... Kiss my ass and kiss your ass, Stew!

PSS: I reread what I wrote...I did not want to sound like a condescending prick when I referred to you as still owning money on it and it sucking... What I meant was, that it sucked you getting into a car accident and totalling your car BEFORE you got a chance to pay her off... With that being said...buy yourself a car/cuv/suv that fits your family needs now that does not stray far off from what you originally had as a plan when you bought your FORD....Escape... And yes....house budget and house money for mortgage comes waaaay before extravagant car purchases...whether its a Cadillac ATS or VW GTI... Get yourself another Escape...new or used or that $24 000 used Lincoln, if that Lincoln does not break your bank account for your house plans that you had... Sound advice!!!

You owe money on it.... That sucks. I hope you get enough insurance money from her that you could pay her off. There was a thread a couple of days ago about being upside down....so buy cheap to pay off quickly... You are still young, you got time...you could buy that car you always wanted later on in life. Yeah yeah...YOLO. Hey...its not as if you didnt own a killer Mustang just a few years ago. LOL You are a fit young lad, I assume. You still have a life time ahead of you...make the right financial choices now, and you will be laughing all the way to the bank later...PATIENCE is what humanity needs to re-learn today. Hey...if all things go our way...we live until 80...make right financial decisions now and enjoy your toys at 50... Like I said, Im assuming you are a fit young lad...at 50 you probably would still look and feel like you are 30... Catch my drift?

Its a cleaner look that is for sure. Dials that is. Ive driven both the TLX and the new 2017 Fusion both with the dial shifters in which I own the previous models where my wife's 2013 Fusion and my 2012 TL have the regular stick. OK...I personally prefer the clean look and the less claustrophobic reality at the center console but....when the actual shifting out of gear is concerned , I much prefer the old skool way with the stick... To boot, if I wanted a real clean and waaaay less claustrophobic look at the middle, I much prefer to have a bench seat with an arm rest folding down and up and a column shifter. REAL old skool way!!!

Shyyyyte dude!!! Im sorry to hear of your accident. And that was a biiiig accident. It looks like a severe impact even though both vehicles saved the lives of all parties involved. Im sure glad you are alright though. Roxy is a goner though. I guess. That sucks as I was happy that you were a Ford owner. Hopefully you get your ass in another Ford???!!! To tell you the truth, I dont like the new face of the Escape. I much prefer Roxy's. Then again, the Edge is one beauty of an SUV. That face looks awesome on the Edge. Then there is the new Fusion. 2.7Ecoboost. I can hear it calling your name. PS: Ford is an official sponsor of our beloved Dallas Cowboys...

I am excited to maybe to have a mid-engined Zora C8 Vette and hopefully the Ford GT will still be in production and to see finally 2 great American cars on top of the food chain sport car scene both of them finally with the same type of chassis do battle against each other and the rest of world... On the lower end? That us why there is Mustang versus Camaro. With the Camaro (and Mustang) pushing the performance envelope SURPASSING the BASE Corvette....why would anybody want to wish for a more mundane Corvette. That to me would kill the buzz for a Corvette... Unless the Corvette goes its own way and becomes its own brand....then and only then will there be room for a SLOWER Corvette... As branded a Chevy....I dont think ANY Vette owner wants his Vette being beaten by a turbo 4 cylinder lesser brother Camaro...or worse...a FORD by the way of an ecoboosted 4 cylinder Mustang... As its own brand though....a slower Vette owner buys into the brand and not the car per se... Just how I view things..not saying you are wrong and Im right...just my POV. You could be right and a TTV6 base Vette would just be out of this world...

Well....GM's biggest market is China. I guess GM will pay the fine and not say another word about it. Suck it up they will just to sell more Buicks... Could you blame them though? *SIGH* Why the sigh? Because although I understand its karma kicking the US in the ass for similar global foreign policy and economic strong arming that the US has done...it sucks when a country like China flexes its muscles like that! (slave labour practices, environmental carelessness, cyber hacking, corporate thievery) (The USA was NEVER that outlaw-ish.....well...except from the 1980s and on when us North Americans allowed Wallstreet to take-over our lives) OK...this rant does NOT make me feel any better...

@smk4565 I get what you are saying. And I would agree to that 100% if Cadillac had its house together. It does not. It needs other products a tad more than a sports car. It needs products that clearly define what Cadillac is. And as of now, it only has 1 product that clearly defines what Cadillac is and what consumers want of Cadillac....just 1. And that is the Escalade. Not even the CT6 is that product. Therefore a sports car for Cadillacwould just be a flop. @Wings4Life I also agree to what you said. Along with SMK's post regarding base trims and base prices for Corvettes. HOWEVER... A BASE V8 450 horse Vette in the 50 000 dollar range is where we are at now! No need to fix that as that is as perfect as it gets for sports car enthusiasts, Vette fans and mid-life crisis folk alike that want a cheap, fast car. The Corvette has NEVER strayed from that...only improved upon what base gets you... If one does not want 450 horses under the hood from a V8, there is another RWD coupe from Chevrolet (or Ford for that matter) with a plethora of engine choices and price tags to fit their needs....the Vette as is in base form does not need to retract its performance numbers and horsepower figures and dummy down for anybody!!! Turbo V6 as base engine for Vette? Why? No need to do that!!!! Base V8 nets you 450 horses that are quite tame and fuel efficient and wild when need be... Electric assist motors might be welcomed though. (I would love to see that in the Ford GT as well) It does however need to go up with its performance numbers and possibly its price tag a tad to re-invent itself at the higher trims to be able to continue to do battle with the big boys at the top of the sports car food chain. Yes...I am talking about 100% mid-engined to do REAL battle with Ford GTs and mid-engined Ferraris and Porsche 917s and Lamborghini Aventadors... No...Cadillac does NOT need to do that....and I know you Wings, you agree with me for that, but 'tis Corvette that needs to do that...and a Corvette shall ALWAYS remain a Chevy...unless Chevy has the guts to make the Vette into its own brand... Its got the cachet to do so...hell....the Vette name has got MORE brand cachet than Cadillac has...

Any driver with a Quebec driver's license with Quebec license plates... Man. Woman. Young male or female adult. Old male or female. Chinese Quebecker, French Quebecker, Pakistani Quebecker, Greek Quebecker, Italian Quebecker, English Quebecker. It dont matter. We all suck...yes...including me. We all own the road. We all tailgate. We all have no courtesy. And we all speed. There is a reason why the ONLY city in North America (Montreal) does not allow right turns on red lights. Because Quebeckers, especially those from Montreal, suck as drivers! Therefore, I fear everyone...including myself. I mean...I could do just as much damage to my car with my foolishness as the guy in the next lane to me...

And I believe the hood is the Hellcat hood too? Regardless...yeah, this trim too gets me all warm and fuzzy inside along with Hellcat and Scat pack

This is why I adore greatly the Challenger....Scat pack or Hellcat. Its a muscle car. A modern muscle car. It handles just as good, if not better than any modern sporty offering from any manufacturer today. Porsche 911 or Chevy Camaro or Corvette it is not...does it have to be though? When our roads are pretty much straight anyway? Besides, it handles waaaaaay better than anything that came out in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s. Hell, it probably out handles any sports car that came out in the 1990s too. Minus a Ferrari or a Porsche 911... Its a heavy car. Heavy cars are better cruisers. And muscle cars are certainly made for that as well...OK...muscle cars and the Charger/Challenger will never be able to out-cruise a behemoth 1959 Oldsmobile Super 88...I gather the Dodge brothers are probably one of the best cruisers around in 2016. Hellcat or Scat pack. More than enough power to out accelerate anything on the road including super cars. The Hellcat's 707 is for bragging rights, and only people with stick up their butts finding faults with 707 on a Mopar Hellcat will find faults with that. Cool cats from any walk of life will appreciate what it means to have 707 under the hood of a big, bad Dodge! So there you have it. Thanx Will.I.Am. for a wonderful and unbiased review of a Hellcat. Too many people sometimes want to skew the awesomenous of these Mopars into a negative light for some reason. I said 707 is for bragging rights only... Well...maybe not. This might be an excellent and ONLY reason to spend 72 thousand on one!!!

1) Im a muscle car guy. And my bestest muscle car is an Olds Cutlass 442. But I did not grow up with them. They kinda died the year I was born. 1973. I did grow up with one particular pony car though, and every time I see one...any year...my heart goes boom. I always wonder what kind of maniacal look a 2016 Pontiac Trans Am would have today. 2) bench seats. I have been blessed to have experienced what bench seats and girlfriends have to offer in a young man's life while driving or just simply parked. I sometimes think about that and wished I could relive those times with the wife in the front seat...

Both songs are OK. I LOVE 80s music. A couple of years ago, I was all over this song. Very 1980s. A couple of 1980s synth songs to compliment this thread...with automotive ties. And disco...

Ill go further muddling this topic... Something that I already did make a thread on... https://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/topic/86783-what-does-cadillac-mean-to-you/#comment-788705 so...if an Impala is premium...or not...and the Cadillac ATS clearly does NOT a Cadillac make...is a Cadillac ATS premium or is it luxury? To boot, Cadillac in many ways aint exactly all that luxury...its a tad better than Lincoln and Lincoln is premium frolicking into lux territory while Cadillac steps inside the luxury sand box, but in many ways is afraid to get its hands and knees dirty with sand... so...an Acura TLX is above Cadillac ATS or is it below? because as we know...Chevrolet has Silverado trim levels that out price most Acuras... yet...said Silverados also out price a Cadillac ATS... yes Casa...in that link I posted, you called me crazy, yet my though process is straight as an arrow and I have NEVER strayed from my logic...it has always been consistent... You on the other hand, because of bias...are all over the place....which is fine...its great to have passions... But please...your opinions on premium and luxury dont really mean much...because as much as your first hand experiences count....mine count as much as yours....at least Im a tad more even keeled than you are...

1. better than a Corvette for a GM car for GM to build? The Corvette is as good as it gets compared to supercars from Ferrari and company...in some cases a Vette is better, in other cases on par...it dont matter There is a Chevy bow tie in all of the Vette's logos since day 1... Whether we like it or not...a Vette was, is and forever will be a Chevy... A better Vette is just that...a better Vette. Z06 or ZR1 or ZL1 or by any other nomenclature...a better Vette is just another trim level above a base Corvette which belongs to Chevy... If anything...Corvette is ready to become its own brand, not be rebranded as a Cadillac or worse...badge engineered as one... Cadillac does NOT need to be like Acura or Lexus... Cadillac is Cadillac... Cadillac aint Porsche or Ferrari... Cadillac is Cadillac... Mercedes Benz could pull that off...because Mercedes Benz in their past had sports cars...in the 1930s. In the 1950s...Mercedes Benz had exotic sports cars... Mercedes Benz also has racing pedigrees that has surpassed Porsche.... Formula One racing is a huuuuuge thing for Mercedes Benz... Chevrolet does GM's racing...Pontiac, Buick and Oldsmobile too...2 out of the last 3 brands I mentioned are dead and Buick gave up on racing a while back....Cadillac has hardly raced in their 110 or so year history... That is why the Corvette shall remain not only Chevy's top dog in racing pedigree technology, but GM's face in racing... Its funny to me that we want to shove Cadillac in a racing program a force a sports car on them...yet we frown upon Corvette being its own brand...yet giving Cadillac a sports car is more of a stretch marketing wise than a Corvette becoming its own brand... And with all that said...a Corvette is not premium...its a blue collar car... Boy....I just threw a monkey wrench and muddled the premium-luxury-mainstream debate even further...

'66 Toronado. Awesome find.

@smk4565 @Cmicasa the Great Cadillac needs NO sports car. Cadillac needs to play to its strengths....Historical and current. V Series cars are sports cars...and they are fantastic. However, big arrogant land yachts are what they are primarily known for and that is why the Escalade sells so well for the last 16-20 years. A sports car based on a Vette of some sorts or bespoke like the Cien would be great.... But...an SUV ABOVE the Escalade, a Ciel and an El Miraj 4 door and coupe would benefit Cadillac MORE than a Cien would and in my opinion an UBER Slade, Ciel and El Miraj should be brought to product waaaay before a Cien... The V series cars are sports car enough for Cadillac. Let us no forget...the ATS V coupe is a TURBO V6 Camaro....maybe the ATS V should have that V8 as well... Maybe a 100% electric battery powered 300 mile plus range Tesla Model S killer should also be in production before a Cien... Cadillac is Cadillac. Cadillac aint Acura to spawn a NSX. Cadillac aint Mercedes Benz to spawn a SLS gullwing sports car or SLR. Cadillac is Cadillac. Known for Eldorados... Known for Escalades. Known for the STS. When the STS was a good thing about Cadillac. known for Devilles and Sevilles when those were a good thing about Cadillac. Known for the CTS-V. Its OK to play to your strengths... BMW made the M1 and failed. Sure Audi made the R8 and succeeded...but Cadillac made the XLR and failed... Cadillac is making the V Series cars...and are not exactly flying off the shelves...

Go read again bro... I said that GM had a similar system...maybe you glanced over that so easily because you were frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog... Better support the Bolt has...maybe...in your area But my partner with his Model S in the Montreal region has excellent support... We do agree...on Acura... Acura was NEVER a LUXURY brand...just premium.. The Impala...in 1958 all the way to 1968-1969 was ALWAYS a PREMIUM car... Its just that GM ;lost its way sometime in the 1970s...especially in the 1980s and 1990s and the W-Body Impala was pitiful... The Acura brand was always premium on the level of an Oldsmobile was....minus Oldsmobile of the 1990s...that is when Acura took over... So...when we talk like big boys...you see that we are no different you and I... PAWS....take that system as you want to...its tech that makes the TLX handle better...remember the NSX has it too...along with 3 electric motors.... Hey...I love me the Corvette a helluva lot more than the NSX...but you gots to admit...the NSX like the 1st gen...its a techno tour de force...not that the Vette aint...but you cant piss on the NSX...

Bla bla bla... 1. I said that GM has a similar AWD system...learn to read... 2. EV1 was killed off...that is too bad... Gazillionnaire Musk is doing something that GM shoulda done...hey...don't balme Musk and the Model S for that shyte... As of now...EV technology bonus points goes to Tesla...DEAL WITH IT! 3. TECHNOLOGY...its a component of LUXURY... In 2016...THE LARGEST component of luxury Id say... When Star Wars and Star Trek and Minority Report technology is obsolete and better and faster tech exists in the hands of 12 year olds in 2016 and Chevrolet Cavaliers come with cow hided seats...TECHNOLOGY is where its at for luxury... LED headlights were a thing...replaced XENON headlights...well...even LED lights are not hat special anymore...my rant is all over the place because well you...have a right to defend GM the way you do...and I AGREE WITH YOU...but in 2016, it aint necessary to go to war anymore... 4. My opinion on the TL and the TLX are on the same level as yours on the Impala LTZ... DEAL WITH IT!!!

Maybe if you were just as less critical of Acura as you are of your beloved Impala LTZ...we wouldn't be having this STUPID, CHILDISH, IDIOTIC, GRADE SCHOOL CONVERSATION!!! PS: I LOVE THE IMPALA LTZ MORE THAN ANYTHING ITS THIS PRICE RANGE!!!! Yet I could clearly see it has flaws...just like no other car YOU mentioned... YEAH YEAH...Its American... Yo...I perhaps LOVE AMERICAN CARS MORE than YOU!!! Difference is I aint oblivious to their flaws nor do I try too justify them...making you lose credibility when the grown ups talk... I get it Casa....I had those very same conversations YOU have in the 1990s when everything Japanese was golden and everything American was rotten and EVERYBODY was saying so... In 2016...that is not the case...American cars get JUSTIFIED criticism today...which is not much... Look...you find faults in Acura when they don't even exists ala GM in the 1990s...

The Tesla Model S....Id leave that one out... Its luxury for 1 reason only...and NOTHING at GM has an answer for...not Cadillac, not even Corvette. Maybe the Bolt. But the Model S is eons and eons ahead of the Bolt... TECHNOLOGY. As in automotive breakthrough waaaay forward thinking in propulsion using alternative energies that actually is redefining the way the automobile is powered. Which is a luxury component on itself. If Tesla were to use Italian cows on their seats with uber soft plastics and funky suedes and velours on their dashes with exotic Martian metals for their buttons and 24k gold trimmed pieces to outline their iPad displays, the price tag of the Model S would surpass that of the Space Shuttle Columbia... The TLX... Nobody said the TLX is luxury...its premium. By your very own definition. The TLX spanks the Impala in quality and in build. And even if you dont think so, the TLX has got something that GM also does not have an answer for. Not Cadillac. Not even Corvette. SH-AWD. Ok...GM does have a similar system. But GM does not have PAWS. Hey...I much prefer the Impala over the TLX...but, when trying to sling mud a certain way, try not to get it on yourself... PS...A 2012 TL SH-AWD might be waaaay ugly, but its by far a better premium car for premium purposes than a Super Epsilon Chevy Impala LTZ. A TLX or TL is screwed more tighter than an Impala...tighter tolerances is what I mean... Just because the Impala LTZ has French stitching on the dash, it does not mean that it out-premiums the Acura... HOWEVER...I do agree with all of your other posts in this thread... I just felt I needed to defend the Acura and the Tesla...

That is where Mercury was at. I understand why Mercury was killed off, and it was necessary at that point in time, and FoMoCo dropped the ball in the late 1970s and 1980s with Mercury that continued all the way until Mercury's death... But in today's 2016 FoMoCo, wouldn't it be nice if FoMoCo still had Mercury? FoMoCo did a fabulous job of getting Ford the brand with the Premium trims to replace Mercury somewhat, but Lincoln needs to get their trims and quality and the their price levels higher at the base level...this I agree with you Drew.