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oldshurst442
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I aint faulting BMW or Mercedes for doing that... I just find it may dilute their brand identity over time. I could be wrong...what do I know? But I got to tread carefully as to not offend any defenders of any brand as 1. I may be wrong 2. I may read articles the wrong way and I cant use them as proof as some defenders may not comprehend that same article the way I did...even though I highlighted the damned article like 3-4 times... 3. I could be right...but when I say it dilutes their brand identity...it may be false as it may dilute only 1...because that defender feels like its only THAT model that is diluted..not the other 3 or 4 that may have missed their mark... 4. meaning that that poster's opinion counts more than mine...even though I provided some sort of link yet the other poster did not...only voiced his anecdotal opinion and told me I was flipping out... 5. Its OK for him to tell me Im flipping when Im not but it aint OK for me to point out that he really is trolling 6. His comeback would be that it aint M-B or BMW's fault that they have built name recognition on the "M" and "AMG" badge and Cadillac has done squat with the "V"... Sorry about that... Something about former Motor Trend forum members not being able to argue like ADULTS that brings out the worst in me and I too....act like a bloody child!!! I aint faulting BMW or Mercedes for doing that... I just find it may dilute their brand identity over time. But hey...if it brings in the money for the short term...why the hell not! THIS WOULD BE MY LEGIT RESPONSE!
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Most definitely! Its a cash cow for them. Both BMW and Mercedes with their "M" and "AMG" trims (because in all honesty, this is what they have become, relegated and subjected to) are nothing but a highest trim level offering for their models. All or most models as its no longer a necessity to be selective on what models get the super duper treatment... To boot...even the super duper treatment is no longer of the best or nothing treatment on certain cars...
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That would be me. Thank-you for answering me. And thank-you for being honest about the Olds Aurora and the CLA.
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But this is your problem... You wanna wear your superman cape and defend the CLA...because YOU deem it to be the ONLY Mercedes product to be able to be ragged on... And yet...you ALMOST wanna admit that it is truly a POS...but you have trolled on and blamed me for flippin' out...yet the truth comes out with a few sentences... Yet I stayed pretty darned straight in why and how I thought the CLA was a shyte car... No trying to be superman and hiding my true feelings... Like I said....YOU had a hidden agenda...like that playboy broad pic I posted... So....you dont understand why people pick on the CLA? I answered you...yet you still felt the need to troll me! TROLL!
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https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mercedes-benz/cla
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Not my opinion...European reviewers... https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mercedes-benz/cla And that is just for starters.... So yeah.... Not my opinion.... I dont really care what you like or dont like... YOU asked a question...I answered it...YOU ignored it... Like what a true troll does.... And deflects and says to the other person that he is the one flipping out... I aint flipping out...but you a trollin'
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@ccap41 Here is a post that I made for you after the fact you CHERRY PICKED your point of view of not seeing how the CLA is SHYTE!!! Then you finally admit to it its a turd yet still wanna defend it slightly by saying if it was priced as a.... And yes...YOU are going outta your way to TROLL!!! Why else do you wanna include my restaurant and my employees? I called you out on your BS...DEAL WITH IT!!!
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Like the pic with the playboy broad...the size of the wallet makes that dude attractive...and Im sure he is a wonderful human being too... The power of the badge...makes people look the other way... Unless of course it involves a Cadillac. PS: the BS part was for you... To prove an internet argument...you wanna go balls out and outta your way to tell us you see nothing wrong with the CLA...in looks and in execution...
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True that styling is subjective... But...you dont find it a genuinely ugly vehicle for reasons... To which I say this: And the reasons are...like that playboy broad on top...hidden agendas... For you: to prove an internet point... However...I dont put too much into what you may or may not think is attractive... I just see right through the BS...
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@ccap41 At the very beginning. The title At the very end I got a COMPLETELY different vibe than you! The only reason why they liked it its because it is unique and CERTAIN angles of it is nice...other angles..they think its odd looking...
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Yeah....lets just omit that... PS: The ATS gets CONSTANT negative feed back for that...and the CLA is WORSE than the ATS... Go figure!
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Long forgotten for both German flops....yet Cadillac still gets roasted for the Cimarron... The Cimarron ended its life in 1987. The BMW 318ti in the year 2000... 1993-2000 The C230 in 2008... 2000-2008 @ccap41 read that article...from a European perspective with NO AMERICAN BIAS such as Chevy, Buick, Cadillac car comparisons or just plain 'Merica Phoque yeah attitudes! https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mercedes-benz/cla Common dude! I know you like to rustle some feathers from time to time...go against the grain and try to use badge engineering when you GOD DAMN WELL KNOW that Mercedes Benz is JUST ONE PHOQUING brand as opposed to GENERAL MOTORS when ALL GENERAL MOTORS EVER WAS SINCE ITS BEGINNING WAS JUST A HOLDING COMPANY FOUNDED BY DURANT IN 1908 BY BUYING OTHER AUTOMOTIVE COMPANIES SUCH AS OLDSMOBILE AND SAAB AND OTHER NON-AUTOMOBILE RELATED COMPANIES SUCH AS FRIGIDAIRE...so yeah...GM RISKS IN HAVING MORE BADGE ENGINEERED VEHICLES IN ITS LINE-UP... THAT IN ITSELF IS NOT A BAD THING!!! A shytty vehicle passing off as "entry level" luxury no matter who builds it and where it came from, regardless if badge engineered or bespoke, is still a shytty phoquing vehicle from where I am standing... And a CLA is a piss poor attempt at a FWD car in ANY price point or marketing niche whether an attempt for it to be an econobox mainstream European arket car or "entry level" marketing innuendo brainwashing bullshyte car for the North American market!
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This is what I dont get... Does @smk4565 really think this was a compelling automobile for the North American market? (Euro market is different for Mercedes) The Oldsmobile Aurora he owned....which was about the same years this M-B was offered in North America... Was that Benz shytebox below or above the Olds Aurora? And you know....the CLA is just a better marketed version of that C230 Coupe...OK....SLIGHTLY better packaged as well....but the CLA aint winning any battles for supremacy...anybody that has gotten close to that car sees it for what it really is....a poor attempt to put lipstick on an econobox pig... Cadillac got roasted for the Cimarron by Eurosnobs... It seems weird to me that they dont hold the same standards for Mercedes Benz when its clear that Mercedes Benz has plenty of times screwed their market base with shyte and poorly thought out cars...(yes the CLA is poorly thought out)...Cadillac only gave us the Cimarron a LIFETIME ago... The C230 Coupe was barely 15 years ago while the CLA is a RECENT offering... From TOPGEAR UK... https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mercedes-benz/cla From EUROPEAN reviewers where Mercedes is COMFORTABLY GOOD in selling MAINSTREAM machines and Mercedes has a DUAL personality equally IMPORTANT in Europe as a MAINSTREAM ECONOBOX maker and LUXURY brand...
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I was gonna go down this worm hole a while back...sometimes I wanna engage in silly stupidity arguments...sometimes I dont. I stopped...and then I decided to come back to it...the auto-record thingy saved the post....and now Ive decided to engage in this silliness of the CLA being a worthy "entry level" luxury car deemed for a truly luxury brand... Price wise it does...So does the CLA.... And you know what else competes with the CLA? A Chevrolet Impala LTZ..yes on price... Ive hammered on Cadillac for this... https://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/topic/86783-what-does-cadillac-mean-to-you/ Now....what is good for the goose is good for the gander... The CLA is nothing but a FWD car with AWD attached to it on the big trim with econobox intentions because it is an econobox FWD A-Class underneath...but to fool latte swilling badge snob idiots, M-B slaps on some crappy leather and a high price tag and calls it the day...one could just sing praise because of what badge he drives...because that is what cars are supposed to do anyhow...but one also has to see through the bullshyte too...and we lead to this next paragraph complimenting @surreal1272's take on the discussion... As far as the last gen Buick Regal is concerned...a truly German engineered effort not to be forgotten...here is an interesting comparo from a "reputable" "enthusiast" "car magazine"... http://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/3-series/2014/entry-level-luxury-sedan-comparison/ The article states the obvious if one is reading between the lines of what is wrong with the M-B CLA and why M-B should not be selling this car to anybody... @Cmicasa the Great's post is dead on with the reading between the lines...especially the bold parts...
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The profile of these are very similar. Not the same...but very close. The Chevy definitely has a nicer face, and the rears of both cars are relatively and equally attractive. The design language though, flows better with the Chevy... Slightly bigger car and cheaper price tag versus longer range, nicer looks yet pricier... I think they compliment each other perfectly and both give future EV buyers with different needs a choice. I dont think either will reign supreme against each other as both offer different needs for would be consumers. A buyer needs a bigger car. Nissan A buyer needs longer range. Chevy. If price is a factor. Nissan If price maybe a factor but aesthetics takes a more prominent role than price does. Chevy. This is how I sees things.
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Um....the last pic on the left is a Greek dude...OK...an Australian depicting a Greek dude. Either way...no speako Americano Here is another one for you folk....
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Maybe those standards need a-changin' Oopsies... Am I being douchey?
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HA! HA! HA! My 3.7 liter 305 horsepower internal combustion engined 6 cylinder in V configuration currently is just about running on an empty gas tank. I was too lazy to fill up yesterday evening...I could go to work tomorrow, probably even come home to which Ill probably be running on fumes... Point is...I got...what...10 miles of range... I dont got a gas pump at home...so... Why is it a bad thing to charge your EV at home? Im on a lap top currently... I charge it at home... My cordless drill...is charging at home... So is my cell phone and land-line cordless phone... The funny thing is...my next door neighbor has a Chevy Volt...2014 I believe... He has plugged it in as we speak... He will have...in the morning...what...30-35 electric miles to work with...I only have 10... Thing is...I would LOVE to be able to plug in my car AT HOME AND NEVER MAKE A PIT STOP TO A GASOLINE STATION EVER AGAIN! So...why does this article make it seem like its a negative? Could it be that Honda does not have viable EVs to compete with the rest of the world... You know....the Bolt is a FANTASTIC little car...So is the Volt... Do they still make the Clarity and the CRZ? Yeah...I thought so!
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Triplets...triplets. Their 2 door brother would be my favorite!I was sooooooo sure it was a Mercury Marquis when I first saw that photo 4-5 years ago. I googled 1976 Lincoln and by golly...it is a 1976 Continental. 1. I forgot how Lincoln Continentals looked like by the mid-1970s 2. Freaked me out to see how close a Marquis and a Continental look alike.PS There are a couple of reasons why Cadillac stumbled... 1. V8-6-4 That burned some American buyers who later turned to...LEΧUS... 2. The Cadillac Cimarron That burned plenty of American buyers that simply went to Acura and Infiniti killing Oldsmobile as well... BMW and Audi got some love too... 3. The very slow transition to performance oriented vehicles... This made BMW king! NOT Mercedes-Benz... In fact...Mercedes Benz was chasing BMW in the 1990s with Cadillac... Audi too... Twas when Mercedes Benz said phoque the sports sedan theme...we will rock and focus with a muscle car theme is when Mercedes Benz took off...that would be in the 2000s. The E39 M5 and the E36 and E46 M3s were UNTOUCHABLE regarding perception in the 1990s. The 1994 Audi A4 with the same platform Passat surpassed Mercedes Benz in the compact class in the 1990s. The Acura Legend, Vigor, Integra, NSX with the Lexus LS and other Lexus cars blew ANY Mercedes Benz perception out of the water. The SUV craze... Twas Jeep, Lexus, Ford and Lincoln that lead that ship... Escalade took over and is till king in the fullsize lux department... The ML NEVER took off...even with Jurassic Park by its side... Twas when M-B bought Chrysler was when the ML took off... The BMW X5 ALWAYS outsold the ML... Dude...its embarrassing how you want to re-write history... Lincoln was out selling everybody in the late 1990s...WITH THE TOWN CAR ON THE ROSTER... THE S-CLASS...HA!!! The only reason why YOU think the S Class was hot is that you saw DICTATORS being chauffered in them. M-B charged those heads of state arms and legs to buy them and literally...those heads of states paid for them by arms and legs by stealing and killing their own people...those ultra expensive S Classes were bought with other people's lives...dictators dont give a shyte how much M-B was charging...it wasnt their money being spent... PS: One dictator's final ride of choice... A CLASSIC MERCURY...from the 1970s... Where is the Pullman you talk about, huh?
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