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Can the same thing be said about Ford when Ford did the same thing upon the release of the 2013 Ford Fusion? They offered the base 2.5 liter engine choice but limited those to fleet sales and pushed the 1.6 ecoboost upon the consumers...which obviously the 1.6 ecoboost had a higher price tag than the 2.5... We know that the 1.6 liter ecoboost is not a 'gotta have now' engine choice...so we could conclude Ford wanted to push the ecoboost moniker... We also know that with the Mustang...the tried and true V6 was also offered but limited to fleet sales and pushed ecoboost upon the consumers...up until finally Ford just recently killed the V6 altogether. We know with Lincoln ditching the Twin Force moniker and keeping the same ecoboost moniker and with the arrival of the Ford GT that Ford put all their eggs in the ecoboost basket... Ecoboost...even with the might of the Ford GT engineering behind it....aint a 'gotta have now' technology. Maybe Ford is not as dependent on ecoboost to survive as Tesla is on the Model 3...I dont see this as a negative for Tesla if it aint a negative for Ford... And to my best knowledge...ALL HIGH END GERMAN makes do the same thing as Tesla just did...reminiscent of nickeling and diming tactics... BMW to Mercedes to Audi... Porsche takes this to a HIGHER level...not only do they nickel and dime the consumer, but they also charge even HIGHER prices for DE-CONTENTING options and ELIMINATING materials for lesser weight all in the name of selling you a "light, raw, back-to-basics" performance machine... What is good for the goose MUST be good for the gander... If this tactic will help Tesla be profitable and put some distance between the Model S and 3 and possibly make the Tesla sheeple fall head over heels even MORE for Tesla products...I say what the hell???!!! Good luck to Tesla!!!

I like the look of the Model S. The re-freshed one with the new nose. The older front end has gotten stale and out-dated. The silhouette is still slippery and sleek. Despite the design being on sale now for 5 years, it holds its own in sexiness. Its got that fast-back look that says "speed"! Albeit Id prefer if Tesla would re-freshen the back end as they did with the front end just a tad just for change's sake. Honestly...there arent any pure 100% EVs out there to truly compare it to in looks still in 2017...(in its price range and EV range and position in the market place...a Chevy Bolt perhaps...but a Chevy Bolt is not a sports sedan in the high end of the luxury world of cars... No...it does not have jelly bean looks... The car is rounded, yes...cars have NOT been square since the 1980s...and even then, rounded cars were starting then...Ford Taurus anyone... The 1990s Caprice was a jelly bean...the Taurus had 2-3 generations of jellybean-ess to them......the 1992 Pontiac Grand Am was totally jellybean...today's cars...not so much... Hell...Id argue...if we gonna go down the jellybean road...that the GM GMT360 SUV is jellybean... (yes...these are Oldsmobile Bravadas in reality...the Chevy version hides the rounded areas, unlike the Oldsmobile versions where Oldsmobile, Buick and SAAB embrace the curves) Actually...the Model S sedan kinda reminds me of the late 1960s GM A-Body fastback muscle car coupes both in silhouette and 3/4 view fastback styling. Obviously I am not trying to say that both cars are the same...but in style, purpose, sleekness the share the same qualities Both even have above the rear wheels, accented fenders... The Olds442 is rounded all around...but NOBODY DARES call the Olds a jellybean shape though...

Yeah....well...I personally wouldnt trust any car coming from Germany either...some pretty shady stuff coming outta Germany too ya know... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/04/global-recall-1-million-mercedes-cars-fire-risk-could-include/ http://www.autonews.com/article/20170303/OEM11/170309916/mercedes-to-recall-1-million-newer-vehicles-globally-after-51-fires https://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/04/million-mercedes-benz-recall-fire-risk/

He would burn those down too....engine oil sludge problems...that Toyota totally blamed the owners...

Dont feel stupid. Welcome to my world I say! I do that all the time.

Oh...nice truck. I would never do anything to offend anyone! I just like to entertain from time to time. You could tell Seabass to kick my ass if you did not approve of the joke on top!

Chrysler Aspin, huh? Do beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano upon the sight of a Chrysler Aspin? All I know is that John Denver is full of shyte, man!

This is what I LOVE about French cars. They do it their own way! I celebrate with 3 French songs that are funky! Just like their cars. OK...a 4rth

And quite honestly...a luxury muscle car that aint even a cop car like its Charger cousin aint exactly gonna reel them in. There is a reason why the 300 SRT went away in the first place... What a role reversal...when the LX cars were first introduced, 'twas the Bentley like 300 that was all the rage...and the wanna-be gangsta folk all went bananas for them...but when the cops started driving Chargers, twas the Charger that became cool..that would also be ironic as wanna-be gangsta folk advertised thuggery and criminality...and now the LX cop car that symbolizes the law is on top...

This car shoulda been introduced if not with the Dodge Hellcats...last year with the Grand Cherokee version. Not to say that the 300 Hellcat wont be MY choice for 4 door version, because instantly...I want this car as bad as I want the Challenger Hellcat... With a catch... At least if Chrysler could make the 300 Hellcat in AWD form...from the Jeep, you know, to differentiate it from the Dodge Brothers...and a little closer for it being more upscale type deal...

Ill just amp up my game a little bit more...

@Drew Dowdell Sorry because I will derail it again...but I gotta post this. I just gotta. The reason for the G Wagon is to appease NATO régulations... For decades the US shoved this shyte airplane down Germany's throat Its payback time for Germany to force the US Military to buy the G Wagen...all in the name of NATO...and revenge... OK...back to the boring discussions of a Hyundai luxury car.

Lazy rivers...HA! YOU actually posted a rugged tough SUV that is supposed to be military tough in a LAZY river... You just filled up the whole card with that one pic as you were trying to pass that off as a dangerous and tough SUV thing... Therefore

^^^ Yup... And @smk4565 I guess you missed the snorkel... Besides...the Russians in this case do it better! Those is what I call REAL off road SUVs...in the TRUEST sense of the acronym that was started by that humble little General Purpose Vehicle that we now know today as JEEP With all said and done...at the end of the day....Id still rather the JEEP though... Something about 'Merica Phoque YEAH! that I prefer over Commie Ruskies!

Ill take the one that won the war... To boot...BECAUSE its an offroader...and luxury and off the beaten path are opposites of the class spectrum and therefore a LUXURY OFFROAD SUV is A BLOODY OXΥΜΟRON... Ill start with this Or this And spend tons of money making it do this and making it look like this And have money left over to buy several of these And these Laughing at all the idiots that buy LUΧURY OFF ROAD SUVs Land Rovers, Escalades and G Wagons alike... Sue me!

I absolutely loved the article! Thanx for posting it.

The car above is niiiiiiice. I like. But its a computer rendering,right? It dont matter. Its niiiiiiice. But....I think Ive seen that ass before. Yes. Yes I have. That rear end could easily go on a modern Cadillac coupe. The next Elmiraj concept or CTS CT5 Coupe.

Yeah well...the Brooklyn Dodgers also won a World Series in 1955...and Joltin' Joe had looong retired by then... And when the Dodgers was the talk of the town in 1955, the Yankees quietly became legends again with Mantle and Maris and the Dodgers quietly were no longer playing at Ebbetts field in Brooklyn... And then there was this When the Yankees was at the bottom... But quietly this guy came along to fortify the Yankees as the BEST TEAM IN HISTORY IN ALL OF SPORTS! There is a small connection and purpose to that that I did I doubt however if you could figure that out...

You mean to tell me that you cant find a relation? Common dude... At the end of the day...both are of the sports category... Car racing is a sport, non? (some might argue that, but in no way that car racing is NOT SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT!!!) And this discussion is about Ferrari and Mercedes and Vette doing battle in the racing part of the car equation, non? But yeah...Im in left field somewhere...PUN INTENDED!

From WIKI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One Kinda makes those recent Mercedes Benz Championships hollow, huh? I get why we should feel all nice and warm about the Project One and all...and as an AUTOMOBILE enthusiast I FEEL THE LOVE for the Project One...but... As a Dallas Cowboys fan...Troy Aikman is my guy... Also...my choice for GOAT at the 1/4 back position is this guy... well...until this guy came along Just because I root for 1 team...it does not mean I HAVE to denounce all other teams just because of sheer fanboyism... I analyzed and dissected this discussion front to back, back to front... When I say that a possible mid-engined Corvette WILL give the Project One a run for its money... It aint ME being the fanboy of saying that...as I showed that a Vette dominates...and people that ENGINEER them and MOSTLY the people that own them have that passion to make them dominate... But tis the people who ONLY will give props to the Project One and negate ANYTHING other than the Project One... Several of you have gone outta your way to denounce the Vette and Ferrari trying to prove to ME that I am the one outta line...yet ironically...YOUR arguments to me are ALL OF FANBOYISM... Mine are of reality! YOURS is purely out of spite... A mid-engined C8 is vaporware? Sure...it may be...but that is more of you folk wanting it to be vaporware rather than what is really going on... Not wanting to admit that a mid-engined Vette WILL punch above its weight class and give hypercars a run for their money while ONLY praising the Project One? Yeah....wear those blinders but tell me Im crazy...while resorting to the vaporware comment again... Photos and mock-ups versus actual spy pics of a possible vehicle actually PHYSICALLY being tested... Both have a realism to it, but both have vaporware written all over them... How is it though that we could speculate what one car will do without any real facts...and CEO words dont count, and we cant speculate what the other will do KNOWING what Vette engineers and Corvette Racing endeavors has achieved while thousands of loyal Vette hot rodders and racer and after market producers has actually accomplished with the Vette over the last 60 phoquing years???!!!

I understand why you hate that..... But there are fanboys such as El Kabong and SMK (but it in real world...automotive journalists on the web or magazines and stuff) that will ALWAYS denounce no matter what the Ford GT really does... And THAT is why I understand why Ford would want to limit exposure... Prove your loyalty with your pocket...if not....PHOQUE OFF! Ferrari does that too....and its frustrating as an enthusiast that only gets to read about those kinds of cars as we dont have the deep pockets to prove our worth...but at the end of the day...does it really matter? The Ford GT is proving its worth on real world racing tracks...and its predecessor, is actually being hot rodded, used and abused...in other words, the Ford GT has a loyal following. As a manufacturer...I think....nobody wants to hear bullshyte arguments on how their pride and joy sucks... Ferrari, who EVERYBODY guns for, Porsche, Vette, Ford GT, Lamborghini and even Mercedes...have thin skin...and I dont blame them one bit. This type of trash talk over time...could affect your image... Yes yes....on Ferrari...sometimes its warranted... Ford was nowhere near that arrogant...yes he was...Henry that is...but then again...what auto manufacturer that has his last name attached to the cars isnt it? Point is...wanna drive the Ford GT...buy it!

The old adage win on Sunday, sell on Monday no longer applies...win or lose...boom or bust....moot point. The fact that Ferrari has THAT many records and championships and the fact that the other teams are ALWAYS gunning for Ferrari is what counts... Ferrari was, is and will forever remain the team to beat as some of those records seem like they will NEVER be reached by other teams and manufacturers. The pressure is on Ferrari to continue to win, but there is also pressure for other teams to PREVENT Ferrari from winning. The Yankees are hated for that exact reason. Whether they buy players (Bambino, Pedro Martinez), or they groom them from their own organization (Joe Dimmagio, Derek Jeter), no doubt about it...the Yankees ARE the Major League. The Red Sox unfortunately will forever remain behind The Pin Striped Yankees. It dont end there for Ferrari...Ferrari is also targeted at the 24 hour of LeMans over at IMSA... 1999-2004 was the last time Ferrari dominated...like the Yankees...it is in THIS era that wins ALSO do come... Mercedes winning 3 in a row NOW is another moot point... LIke...WTF is your argument? Just because Mercedes won 3 years in a row....A short decade ago...Ferrari won 5 in a row... This reminds me of the Red Sox winning 3 Championships since the beginning of this Millennial era and finaly breaking free of the Bambino Curse and in there winning in style AGAINST the Yankess...the Yankees also winning 3-4 World Series since the late 1990s after a decade or two of mediocrity...yet the Yankees are sooooo far ahead... And while yes...F1 is more fun when others win too...much like in MLB...you dont have to tell me...Montreal lost their Expos MUCH THE VERY SAME WAY AS MLB USED TO RUN THEIR LEAGUE AS F1 IS RUNNING THEIRS NOW... I HATE THE YANKEES AS THE YANKEES (mostly daddy Steinbrenner) HAVE COME TO SYMBOLIZE THE REASON WHY THE EXPOS WENT TO WASHINGTON AND THE REASON WHY FOR THE ATHLETICS TO RESORT TO ANALYTICS TO WIN GAMES.... Back to Mercedes... What are we...in 5th grade to discuss total Championships? Trust me...I know of these types of discussions...I live in a city with MULTIPLE DYNASTIES in hockey... and yes the HABS are HATED for THAT reason... Still does not change the fact that the HABS ARE HOCKEY! Trust me...even though the HABS have NOT won since 1993...the team is NOT frustrated...the fans are...not the organization... Same with Ferrari...yet they won 5 in a row a decade ago...Ferrari is quite arrogantly smug of where they are in history regarding racing... Ford gave them a black eye AND a bloody nose in the 60s with the Ford GT thing... Again last year...I dont think they cared all that much for last year....but in that span in between...Ferrari did continue winning shyte.... So...like I said... Ferrari Folk ACTUALLY take pride in what Enzo started and RACE their cars...just like Porsche and Vette guys... Does Mercedes have that even though Mercedes ALSO has a rich racing heritage?

Courtesy of wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuderia_Ferrari https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_in_Formula_One Like I said... Ferrari is like the Montreal Canadiens... Or...like the New York Yankees and Mercedes Benz is like the Boston Red Sox in MLB The Red Sox are on a roll in the 2000s just like Mercedes Benz... Problem is...

Problem is...people actually race their Ferraris... http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a12216811/30-million-dollar-ferrari-car-crash/