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*SIGH* They are investing in their OWN charging infrastructure. They are investiong in tow more new models. They are going to have a successor to the Roadster. They are still spending billions on research and development. The investors are aware...Musk is aware...of what is needed to be done...there is a plan in place...yada yada yada... When the Model 3 finally begins production and deliveries start to happen....Musk said that the spending will be reduced...in the interim...Tesla plans to raise https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-23/tesla-capital-raise-seen-near-as-musk-burns-through-cash-coffers 10 billion dollars in R&D since 2014... 2.5 billion in just last years 4rth quarter alone... It aint ONLY because the Model S is not profitable...the Model S IS profitable...but all that noise surrounding R&D money, re-investing in the company through their battery factory or charging network...the free charging that Tesla gives its users...

Tucker....never got off the ground. OK...there are conspiracy theories to why that is and it seems like the same conspiracy theories and rpetrators with are at it with Tesla Put that aside though.... Tesla even if 50% cancel on the Model 3 for it rising to a price tag of 42K.... THAT would still be 190 000 Model 3s (because there has been some cancellations already and I think the number is 380 000) plus the 100 000 Model S and Model X sales..... That is 290 000 cars sold for next year. While that figure may be less than the 500 000 that Tesla is thinking about, its still a number that surpasses many 100 year old brands! Keep in mind that I dont think 50% ore people will cancel on their pre-orders and let us not forget that Tesla will open up orders again for it!!! OK....Sorry Drew, I did this post AFTER you said to continue on with Mitsubishi... So Mitsubishi....

Semantics You know what I meant by it and how it pertains to Tesla. When I said that Tesla announced 2 more models in a semi-truck and an urban pick-up truck....taking away more billions from them either from a lending stand point or from a lack of profit, and consequently prolonging the time in which Tesla would actually be profitable, this announcement would peeve off investors and hence sell off their shares.... We did not hear that investors are mad and itchy and hence why I say the investors are it in for the long haul.

SURE! But they are in it for the long haul! SURE they do! They got the money, they dont agree with it, they sell the stock BACK to Tesla, or just dump it cutting their losses and move on! I aint a fanboy. Im a fan, not a fanboy! Yes its reality what you state, but its also a reality that YOU skew towards the negative side of things! I also see the same reality YOU see, but I skew it more to the positive side of things! This is me regarding Tesla This is you Top part You are of the glass half empty type and Im of the glass half full type Bottom part I agree with everything you said 100% Especially the lingering fart part!

OK....15K and I stand corrected! Like I said though, and this from YOUR link: Reservation holders are preparing to order some of the bells and whistles to reach 50K The others well...7K more...like I said...NOT a deal breaker!

PS: Nothing was announced that the price will go up just as it was announced that the delivery dates are on schedule.... If I were you, Id stop being pessimistic! 400 000 aprox. orders are to be delivered on schedule at about 35K The price may move, what? 1 thousand? 2 thousand? 5 thousand? Or it may not move at all. It wont move 10 thousand! You think people will cancel if it goes up by 5K? HA! You underestimate the power of Tesla's image! YOU said it yourself....35K is NOT cheap.... People are already comfortable with 35K ordering it, meaning they are ready and eager for those payments....another 5K maybe, after saving more cash for it for 1.5-2 years WONT be a deal breaker! YOU are wishing it goes up and YOU are wishing it be a deal breaker, but there is nothing that has been hinted or suggested that this is reality!

the Well, there are board meetings for shareholders.... Unless any of us have attended any of them concerning Tesla, we will never know what shareholders want from Tesla... But...this was announced... I doubt that this project would be announced if investors wanted CASH right NOW!!! This is another billion dollar project...money that Tesla dont have.... Yup...Investors must have agreed to greenlight this!

Model S...long in the tooth? Ill give you that! However, sales just keep climbing for it! The Model X just looks weird. I dont know if that model will ever be a lusted after product! Nothing to do with EV lustability but everything to do with aesthetics!

500 000 for 2018.... It looks as if Tesla will be close to that figure.... That easily surpasses many car brands even if they only deliver 75% of the Model 3s (and it looks like as if they are on time this time on their promise of delivery dates) and 100 000 Model S and Xs, that would be aprox. 450 000 cars sold for 2018... I wouldnt be trying to diss Tesla right about now! Because their business model is of a fanatical frenzy for their automobiles which if nothing else, should be admired at a marketing business model stand-point!!!

As far as Tesla losing money.... *SIGH* Its a tired argument... 1. Tesla is still the one to fund MOSTLY their OWN Charging Infrastucture...some of those losses...or lack of profit...is because Tesla is still growing its business... 2. Its a moot point when INVESTORS ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN TESLA....THEY BELIEVE IN THE PRODUCTS.....YES....PRODUCTS with an "S"....as in PLURAL.... Tesla announced a SEMI-TRUCK and a PICK-UP TRUCK for the NEAR FUTURE!!! LIke I said...Tesla is still growing their business....it takes a shyte load of years with lack of profit.... The thing is....Tesla is far from giving its investors vapor ware! So yeah.....Tesla will continue losing money for a short while.....and Im willing to bet the investors KNOW THIS ALREADY and DONT GIVE A SHYTE!!!! Because they believe in the company.... Why? Because when close to 400 000 orders in a week are made on a promise of another model to be sold alongside the other 2 on an artist's sketch, it tells the investors that actual buyers exist and those buyers are nuts for Tesla... IN OTHER WORDS....ITS A NON-ISSUE!!! So let us not try to pass it off as one!!! Yes yes....with the Model 3, Tesla needs to make some money..... Tesla announced a SEMI-TRUCK... Tesla is looking to conquer another market....that too takes money....Im sure the investors are on board with that undertaking too!!!

Arent most commodities on the stock market overpriced? Arent most commodities on the stock market priced on speculation that sometimes makes them overpriced and those that arent overpriced, well, those are the ones that are secretive and insider trading happens prior to fixing the hike where the people in the know hock up all the available stock or vice versa where people in the know know and fix a price drop and off load their stock? Why are we so hung up on Tesla's so-called over-priced over-speculated stock when a President (Ronald Regean) enabled Wallstreet to do this time and time again! There was a Hollywood movie from the 80s that glorified this A sequel to it recently and a pseudo historical/biographical one about a real Gordon Gecko type...Wolf of Wall Street We are acting like General Motors or FoMoCo never had any favorable IPOs in their 100 plus history...

I just realized.... I NEVER COMMENTED! I approved but I never told you how awesome your car is and for you to enjoy her! Well, your car is exceptionally AWESOME! ENJOY THE HELL OUTTA OF IT!

Hey Surreal...we dont troll, we gremlin! Maybe for this month and moving forward, the Camaro FINALLY exorcised its Demons! (yes I know! Shyster Hennessey versus straight from Auburn Hills stock...still phoquing cool, though!) (Hey, Shelby, we need another Super Snake!)

LOL!!! And YOU just expressed what I want to express in 2 short paragraphs!!! Unlike me, I wrote a book over a span of 2 posts! But yeah....I 100% agree with you!

Yeah....that M3 is about the last generation (or 2nd to last) of the M3s that is iconic of what 3 Series BMWs do... OK...today's M2 and M235i and the 2 Series in general has got BMW going back to its roots. But Im willing to bet that any of the lowest selling crossovers they sell still beats the 2 Series in sales...

The world is into smart phones that have apps...the world is into eating garbage in your car (lattes and the like), the world is into texting and being online rather than....driving. The world has moved into a place where rather than turn their head to check their blind spot, they prefer a beep beep sound to tell them someone is there....or to have a back-up camera on a compact car that is as of 2017 or 2018, standard equipment MANDATED by law...(not all cars have a cocoon like interior like the Camaro does) Its the continual dummying down of a driver or even as a human being that propels the preference of an individual to have less and less responsibility... It used to be a joy to drive and people WANTED to look over their shoulder to check their blind spot. People WANTED to shift their own gears (although that part of spirited driving was the first to go as SOON as the first automatics appeared on the scene in the 1940s), people WANTED to....simply drive.... Now it has become a chore. Traffic congestion is also a HUGE factor in which enjoyment of a driver's car is IMPOSSIBLE to experience when there are NO roads free of traffic in a daily driven endeavor...

Car renting might evolve to something that may resemble car sharing...but car sharing the way Silicon Valley wants to sell it aint happening...

I dont think car sharing will ever be a thing. We even have a form of it today...its called renting a car at Hertz or Avis or Thrifty etc... And why I think that? OK...where to start? Ask a rental agency in what condition do some cars arrive back at their rental shop. The vomit, the condoms and semen stains, the feces and the piss, the pizza stains and ketchup and salsa and Coca-Cola spills, the cigarette stinks and stains and butts, the drugs... Who will be cleaning that shyte up? At least when you rent a car from any rental agency, the agency cleans it up for the next person.... If you tell me that there will be rules in place that will make the user clean up his own mess....HA! Most OWNERS of their OWN cars dont keep THEIR OWN vehicles clean, what makes you think that an user will clean a car he dont own? Besides....time will not permit this... Im to use a car until 2:00 PM and the new user needs it at that time....by golly Ill be using that car until 2:00 PM... OK....so the usage of the car will include cleaning time.... HA! How many times have YOU rented a hotel room and YOUR room was NOT ready?! How many times has ANY appointment of ANY kind been on time?! ANOTHER POINT WHO is in charge of the upkeep, regular maintenance costs of the vehicle? People will agree to THOUSANDS of dollars of repairs to cars they dont actually own???!!!! People WHINE about car repairs to cars they actually own and dont do them!!! OK....Leasing FORCES them to do repairs...so this may be the same! WRONG! Leasing a car also means you the car is in YOUR possession at all times and you use it whenever and wherever YOU want it....like I said....sharing a car has restrictions on when you can use it as you have to wait for it and plan your life around waiting for a car to use....FREEDOM of TRAVEL WILL be RESTRICTED....and with that....NEGATIVITY towards ANYTHING regarding a car you dont own will be an issue....meaning people will just view car sharing as a burden especially when forcing to spend money on one will be forced upon them...like I said...who will be responsible for the thousands of dollars of repairs? Remember...car sharing from NOW is being billed as a CHEAPER way to use a vehicle.... Remember....humans dont treat cars they own correctly, they treat cars they dont own even worse....again...ask the people who work at rental agencies.... Another point... Will there be restrictions to where one could go or use the vehicle? A car will ALWAYS represent FREEDOM, even if there are financial tie downs and our highways are congested limiting some of those freedoms....but restricting a shared car's usage limits that freedom even more.... When we own our own car outright....we have the right and FREEDOM to do whatever the phoque we want with OUR car!!! So...car sharing is just a dream!!! IT COULD WORK.... If North America compensated with a plethora of alternatives for the car sharer as in if a citizen of a city and a suburbanite had access to better and abundant public transportation....a shyte load of more buses, a shyte load of more subway systems and a high speed train network...that connects ALL OF NORTH AMERICA together... Yeah....like that will ever happen! So...like I said...car sharing is just a dream!

Another reason? Its cyclical, non? Car sales go up...and up...and up...for 1-2-3-4-5-6 years, maybe a 7nth..maybe an 8th, but that is pushing it... Then, car sales come down....and down....for 1-2-3-4 years, maybe a 5th....then they go up again for 1-2-3 years, maybe a 4rth..maybe a 5th...then, car sales come down....and down....for 1-2-3 years.... I dont read too much into that...in 2009 and 2010 and 2011, car sales were at an all time low just AFTER they were at an all time high....and right after 2012 we started getting back to per-banckrupty(pre bank melt down) levels just to finish at an all time high again just to see the cycle be in retreating mode! But yes...higher car price tags dont help... People will adjust... People will buy used...people will either just keep their old car or trade up for a newer used car and when the used car market will deplete itself again (due to the high levels of new car sales prior...and now there are less nice used cars available because new car sales have dipped recently) then the cycle of new car sales will increase...again...only to decrease....only to increase... Leases make this up and down cycle happen more frequently... Im assuming about the leases part.... Ive observed the up and down thing... My analysis and conclusion maybe all wrong though....but to let you in on a little secret... I dont think Im far off from the truth!

Lincoln Town Car for me as well. I aint no Euro-trash/snob douchebag. (A little harsh...but I said it for effect!) I always equated millionaire with the Lincoln Town Car....blame the pinball game I played as a kid! THAT IS A TOWN CAR Limo I ALWAYS LOVED! American Cars! American Luxury! FTR! (Phoque The Rest) @Cubical-aka-Moltar I remember closing up my restaurant one Sunday night and having nothing to do that night, going to a video store right after and renting this movie RELUCTANTLY when this movie first came out on VHS to rent as there was nothing else available... Boy..was I pleasantly surprised...WHAT A GREAT AND UNDER RATED MOVIE THIS STILL IS!!!

Im afraid that boat though, has since sailed away! I dont know when, why and where they went astray, but the path they chose at the tail end of the last century or at the beginning of this one is clearly a path of epic failure! They had the world in their hands in the 1990s and could have had a lot more with the movie franchise the Fast and the Furious.... What could have been is a question Mitsubishi should be asking themselves! I dont think they could revive themselves in this market...

As you folk have realized by now, I like observing vehicles and pairing them up and asking our little community here which of the two they prefer to own. Anecdotes and opinions of which vehicle is preferred or disliked over the other is ALWAYS welcomed and ENCOURAGED! During my absence a couple of months ago for a few weeks, I saw several interesting movies with interesting cars...this week's comparison comes from the movie Grosse Pointe Blank. The two cars in question: 1995 Lincoln Town Car And a 1998 BMW 735iL While the movie does not really focus on the two cars, the two cars in question do have important symbolism roles... Anyway....which of the two do you prefer to putz around in as a daily driver representing your profession and status in your city?

A 3D printed word?

You made a funny!

I would love that colour on the Wrangler. But yeah....nice ride there, Blu!