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And still no hybrid!!!! A Saturn Vue was scheduled to have a hybrid! Then this car where it being a Cadillac could absorb the cost and sticker price better...(that is what the dude said, and what he did not say but I am saying....a car that could at least make some competition to Tesla and not be blown away by it!) At least offer hybrid tech on it now!!!! Even if only in China for Pete's sake!!!!

You always find a way to humour me!!!! Cheers to you PS: Yup...if the remake of Ghostbusters was a complete reversal of roles, then HELL YEAH that 'Slade should have been their ride! An overly expensive and blinged out brand new Escalade representing the last of the petty cash would have been funny! (AND NO! I HAVENT SEEN THE REBOOT!) (AND HELL TO THE NO WILL I EVER SEE IT!!!)

I fully understand this.... I agree to a point for its existence. You are preaching to the choir about these kinds of Cadillacs. I LOVE these kinds of Cadillacs myself (except this one) However 1. I understand that there are some of us that like the looks of it....like your parents and @Sal Collaziano (welcome back is in order although I did not know you then) but there are many that think its a whale.... That is not good going forward....especially when its usually the older folk that loves these things....yes yes...younger folk like them too, but most of the younger crowd buy the XΤ5 αnd the Slade which better aligns with Cadillac's vision of the Arts and Science crowd rather than the mid 1970s and 1980s crowd that bought these types of Cadillacs..... 2. Not a very good image to have if you ask me.... Hey....when Cadillac sold these Cadillac also sold these when these (and Cadillac) where on top of the world Remember.... That Cadillac was starting to become a laughing stock when this came out.... A livery service vehicle is not a bad thing....but ONLY when you are on top of the world Cadillac has not had a DESIRABLE halo car like the M-B on the bottom in 4 decades! 1. So....not only is a ΧΤS is ugly to me and it looks better in hearse mode (NOT a good thing) and Cadillac DESPERATELY NEEDS A PRETTY CAR 2. keeping it around for just the money is not a viable reason for me.... It sells! GREAT! So does a XT5 and any other SUV Cadillac is willing to sell.... Cadillac, if it WANTS THAT MONEY...maybe they should have invested in MORE CUVs and SUVs that align BETTER with their IMAGE THEY want to sell to make that money!!! I thought they wanted to do away from that crowd that wants the XTS...well, they sure got me on board to NOT want these types of vehicles....am I being duped by Cadillac marketing folk?

Who is the coolest guy on the internets today? His name is Dingo. Frisky Dingo and he likes his martinis.... That is it! He just likes his martinis! Any way you make 'em!

It was supposed to be a placeholder for when the CT6 arrived.... Regardless, it was ugly then when it first showed us its ugliness, and its uglier now. GM and Cadillac DO care as the XTS is printing money for them. Here and especially China. And I get that! I just wished Cadillac would start to cease on relying on this type of vehicle to make them money. I just wished Cadillac would cut FINALLY cut ties with their late 1970s-80s vision of selling Cadillac image... This is just a better version of this car and then this car selling to the same clientele that Cadillac vowed to leave behind even as far back when they introduced this car And to tell you the truth...both Devilles I posted look 1 000 times better then the ΧTS.... Yeah yeah....the XTS is miles ahead in chassis refinement and performance. The XTS is: 1. UGLY with a capital F as in F***king ugly 2. outdated in by at least 25 years in what actual vision Cadillac wanted to be in when they went RWD with the Catera and later the CTS and we could add another 5 years to that as the FWD STS did a BETTER job is keeping with that "modern" image they have been pushing for! I must admit though, many people from the foreign crowd who get themselves into a XTS LOVE their experience with one! Which perplexes the phoque out of me as the ΧΤS in essence is what drove them AWAY from GM/Cadillac and American cars in general in the first phoquing place! I STILL DONT LIKE THE XTS, though....ITS FUGLY!

I really like this car. There are many of these around in my neck of the woods. I havent noticed if they are Hyundai badged or Genesis badged because my level of enthusiasm for them does not go further than "nice car", but I too, feel Genesis is heading in the right direction both in looks, features, fit and finish and marketing.

So....take the f***ki*ng gloves off, eh?! Do it Canadian style while you are at it!

This news excites me just as much as the Lambo Urus news... And in case you have no clue what that may be....a cute GIF that explains my position on the matter I always wanted to like the ΧTS, but I was lying to myself. The first year the ΧΤS came out, I was head over heels over it....call that blind love for GM... But I hated myself....I felt dirty.... Then I realized I was not honest about this whole XTS thing. I finally saw the XTS for what it really was...one ugly whale! There is no excuse for that when Epsilon and Super Epsilon platform mates Lacrosse and Impala look damned good... This refresh might make it look more like the current front fascia of the recent Caddys, the poor XTS is uglier than ever. Just my not so over the top yet >ahem< humble opinion.

My reaction upon hearing the news about yet another SUV offering... My reaction when somebody might try to explain to me that SUVs are the future and Im just a dinosaur in denial clinging on to sedans or coupes and there is 650 horses offered by Lamborghini in the Urus... My reaction when I FINALLY come to the realization that there is literally nothing I could do to stop this insanity with the SUV craze no matter how many cute GIFs I post on the internets! I guess rejoice at yet another SUV, this time from Lamborghini with 650 horses...

And who says that? YOU? Corvettes of the past had models that surpassed that limit some want to put on it! Corvette was NOT about price point...it became that way in the mid 70s all the way to the 2000s with the mid 70s C3 and C4 and C5 and it started to break free from those shackles with the C6 and with the C7 going forward, the Vette is going back to its 1955 mission of DOMINATING the STREET AND RACING CIRCUIT no matter what price point...at your friendly CHEVROLET dealership.... The Corvette at this time was NOT an affordable car... It wasnt an exotic like the Gullwing, but it wasnt priced a tad more than a Chevy Impala like it is now either at its lowest! And at its highest, it sure was HIGHER in price than Cadillac's offerings!!! In which today at 100 000 is on par with Cadillac!

What Balthy says....PLUS LaFerrrari has 900+ horsepower Corvette Z06 has 650....and its at the limits of performance due to FR layout... WHAT I KEEP SAYING AND YOU JUST SAID IT: The Corvette does battle with the 918 too! How? INDIRECTLY which begets this (the one on the left) and when Chevy realizes that even that is not enough to impress the likes of you with a price tag of ONLY 100 000, Chevy engineers this: And that 10 second lap will probably be less....by leaps and bounds.....with LESS HP than either the 918 or the LaFerrari.....but the price tag wont increase by leaps and bounds....and the C7 ZR1 will still be hampered by the FR layout.... But yeah....INDIRECTLY...the LaFerrari and the 918 ARE the Vette's competitors...JACK-OF-ALL-TRADE approach... In reality SMK, we really are saying the same thing! Think about it... You choose to put every other brand on a high pedestal by trying to downplay what the Vette does by throwing ALL models of said brands in the Vette's path and saying: "You see! A Vette cant compete with ABC brand's 1 000 000 dollar car" And of course you mentioned Mercedes! What I do is I agree with YOUR philosophy, but I dont downplay what the Vette can do... I say the Vette is a JACK-OF-ALL-TRADES car and a master of none but I PRAISE what it does at a price point that is LESS than even its DIRECT competitors! The thing is...minus the hybrid tech and the lack of a MR layout but the C7-C6-C5 really is a Front MID engine layout, the Corvette Z07 package employs the same amount of engineering tech to EXPLOIT THE MAXIMUM IT CAN OUT OF ITS DRIVETRAIN AND POWERTRAIN.... And when the MR C8 comes out...with all the racing tech learned with the C7R and the MR Vette Daytona racer will probably be on par with that 1 500 000 LaFerrari in track times at 10% of LaFerraris price tag! And YOU want this tech to go to Cadillac? I said that Corvette needs to be its own brand to diversify so Vette could have a roadster EV to do battle (and win) with the Tesla EV To have a FR TTV6 layout to do battle (and win) with Porsche's Boxster and Cayman To have a base model roadster to do battle (and win) with Mazda's Miata...technically, THAT WAS the Corvette's ORIGINAL 1953 mission anyway! To remain like it is now (Stingray, Z06, ZR1) to do battle (and win) with Porsche's many specialized 911 variants. To have a MR layout and go all out to do battle (and win) with the likes of LaFerraris, 918s, P1s, Ford GTs, hell, even put a TTV6 in it to do battle (and win) the NSΧ... Το ΜΑΥΒΕ even offer a Trailblazer tuned by Corvette racing to do battle (and win) Cayennes and BMW M badged crossovers! Because as it stands now....the Vette does battle with all cars mentioned directly and indirectly and its Jack-of-all-trades stance, it aint focused enough to win any battles.... So yeah, SMK, we ARE saying the same thing....its just that you prefer to downplay the Corvette!

I mentioned Corvette and at least 2 posters are in denial where Corvette fits in the sports car world...and just THAT proves my point that the Vette needs to diversify and to specialize (hence to become its own brand to offer MORE DIVERSE MODELS keeping FR and OFFERING mid-engine at the same time) to better compete with several sports car markets as the Stingray, Z06 and soon ZR1 aint enough....and in reality, its just a more modern muscle car approach in offering a bigger engine and MOAR power that was done in the 60s and 70s. Jack-of-all trades but master of none! EXCELLENT engineering but the Jack-of-all trades approach lacks the focus of the specialty sports cars the Vette does battle with directly and indirectly.... Now...back to the 911 and the cancellation of the EV/Hybrid 911

Not directly the Vette doesnt.... Not on price, not on platform but definitely on performance...sure the LaFerrari and P1 might beat it (Z07 and upcoming ZR1) That is why I said might... But you got to admit...the Vette for its engineering and its price point, even if it does lose(Z07 and upcoming ZR1) ...which it might not..sure as hell gives the LaFerrari and P1 a run for THEIR money.... But hold on now... Its not as if the Vette aint engineered for track use to beat up on Ferraris... And just for that....the Vette INDIRECTLY competes with the LaFerrari... Like I said...the Corvette CANT CONTINUE being Jack-of-all trades! Its for guys like YOU that this cant continue.... YOU just berated a 100 00 dollar car that is engineered to take on your 1 500 000 dollar LaFerrari. YOU just laughed it off saying that a 1 500 000 dollar will lap it several times over when that is NOT the case as the C5R, C6R and C7R Corvettes are all 24 hour LeMans winners in their respective GT class often not far behind their LMP class competitors... And THIS will change as the C8 will probably be a mid-engined affair to better put down that power for track use...remember...LaFerrari DOES have a 300 some odd horsepower advantage over the Z06....the C7R actually produces LESS power than the civilian model....as it stands now....the C7 being front engine rear wheel drive is at the limits of what that layout could do.... So....while LaFerrari MIGHT outlap it in a 50 lap race...that has more to do with the drive train layout rather than Ferrari's 1 500 000 dollar price tag's engineering versus Chevy's 100 000 dollar effort... And THAT is why the CC8 will probably be a mid-engined affair...and if THAT is the case...LaFerrari will definitely NOT lap the Vette.... Why Cadillac? Price tag? Irrelevant... See the C7 and C7R versus the high dollar hitters and envision that same scenario with a mid-engined C8 and C8R at more or less Chevrolet price tags... Like I said....Chevy engineers a techno tour de force to compete with the big wigs of the racing world and puts that into the civilian model Vette.. The engine, the body, the aerodynamics, the suspension benefits the C7 Stingray, Z06(Z07), ZR1 from the C7R... Cadillac has no racing pedigree... Chevrolet does... And it all started with the Corvette.... Well....because the Vette is and will always be a Chevy....no need for Porsche-like SUVs .... OK...maybe a couple of Corvette tuned Trailblazers and Tahoes to make a mark.... Just a diversity of Corvettes specializing in destroying every sports car market there is... Yes they should.... I dont know about the Camaro being a sales success with hybrids but I dont see how Corvette could fail. Corvette as of now has very strong brand recognition world wide along the same lines as Ferrari, Porsche, Jeep and Mustang... Tesla is bringing out a new generation Tesla roadster... THAT is NOT Cadillac territory in 2017, nor in 2018, nor in 2019, nor in 2020, nor in 2021, nor in 2022... THAT is in CORVETTE TERRITORY NOW!!! And it WILL ALWAYS BE CORVETTE TERRITORY.... And NOT just Corvette territory but Corvette IDENTITY to be a SPORTS CAR... Cadillac's TRUE mission was always LUXURY....Past, present and future.... So....Cadillac does not really EVER need an exotic race car...THAT is what Corvette is for!!! And its a Chevy!

Yes. Yes. Cool connections you made there! (I did not even realize the diversity of the engines you have) I like!

@Frisky Dingo Yup. These choices would make quite the collection! Its keeping constant with a certain theme, quite breathtaking to look at, and expensive. Love the Miura. Love the Carrera GT. The Chiron is just insaaaaane at 1500 horsepower. That is WW2 radial engine fighter plane realm. The F40 is simply the first to achieve insaaaaane speeds. The Miura is simply the first to be mid-engined and the first to be dubbed supercar. The McLaren is the first to be a calculated and precision beast and the Carrrera GT is THE last of this era of analog greatness. An AWESOME and INSANE collection!

I too, always liked it. I was disappointed at first for it not having the Voodoo V8. Not so much for it having an "ecoboosted" 3.5 liter V6 or the "lack" of a V8/V10/V12...but for not having that sweet sounding Voodoo. I have overcome that, but not entirely... I never doubted its abilities as an exotic mid-engined supercar and Im happier that at least the automotive "journalists" in these so called "automotive enthusiast" magazines are appreciating it... BRAVO FORD, indeed!

THIS....I could agree with!

Corvette is the big dog. The NSX is EV/Hybrid. Mclaren P1 is EV/Hybrid. Ferrari LaFerrari is EV/Hybrid. And Ferrari has hinted that all Ferraris in the future will be EV/Hybrid. If that hasnt changed yet... The Porsche 918 is EV/Hybrid. All these are Corvette's competition. The Z06 (&Z07 package) and ZR-1 were engineered to do battle with these....and the C8 is said to be mid-engined to BETTER compete (to actually win) the performance metrics! If you dont think that the Corvette belongs in this category, the Camaro belongs even less in this field with these cars... So THAT is why the Corvette NEEDS to go EV/Hybrid! Especially if the next gen is to be mid-engined! And if you say no to that....then the Corvette brand needs to be a brand by itself...because the Corvette cannot simply continue being a Jack-of-all-trades sports car....it will cease to dominate and Corvettes are KNOWN to DOMINATE....THAT is what the REAL essence of Corvette is all about! The 911 DOMINATES! It has MANY variants to be able to do so.... The Corvette does not have that. The 911 is Porsche and Porsche is 911. With that being said, Porsche also has the Boxster, Cayman, 918 that represent Porsche quite well! All all cars seem to dominate helping the Porsche brand excel. In turn, helping to continue the LEGEND of the 911!

Well... The 911 really does not need to go EV or hybrid (for Porsche) just yet. 1. The 911 has sold 1 million copies 2. Porsche has got the 918 right now 3. Porsche has got other EVs in the pipeline 4. Because of all that, the 911 (and Porsche) has no need to re-define itself...especially if the 911's traditional driving dynamics were to be compromised....the traditional 911 buyer continues on with his purchase of the 911 as is and if a newbie wants an EV from the Porsche brand, he has the 918 and other models to choose from soon. 5. When the time will come when the traditional 911 buyer will demand an EV version, Porsche will be ready for one as Porsche by then, will have the tech, experience and money to do an EV 911 as close to a traditional 911 as possible. Without derailing this thread and talking about a Corvette and Corvette branding. But this is why Corvette/Chevy/GM is in a pickle if Corvette does not go hybrid soon.... Porsche has got other models such as the 918 that does the EV/Hybrid thing...there is no immediate need for the 911 to go that route... Porsche....as a BRAND, could build and sell other project specialty cars or outright volume models to satisfy the EV/Hybrid market. And that is EΧACTLY what they will do as THAT is EΧΑCTLY what they said they will do! Corvette as it stands, needs to do battle with the 911 and ALL its variants, the convertible 911, the Boxster, the Cayman, the 918... Chevy or Cadillac as in GM as a whole does NOT have an EV/Hybrid to do battle with ANY sports car that is EV/Hybrid and Chevy has not mentioned ANY word on the next C8...let us not forget that even Acura has gone the EV/Hybrid route with the NSΧ... The next C8 might be mid-engined, might not be....and its less clear if a hybrid powertrain will be offered....and THAT to me is more of an issue for Corvette and GM going forward rather than the 911 not going EV/Hybrid.

I had about 100 of these.... I started out with 2, a red 1973 Pontiac Trans Am and a 1969 Chevrolet Camaro. (there goes the # 69 again! ) (I recently bought a Duesenberg SJ to round off my 1930s luxury) When we first opened up our restaurant, an employee that we hired gave me and my partner a 'restaurant warming' gift and that is what he gave me... It all started from there.... I had about 100 of them when I realized, through these very same dream garage threads that @Frisky Dingo started waaaaay back when over at Motor Trend and the participants...that a smaller, more focused and a tad more diverse collection, makes for a nicer, more complete collection. So I got rid of some redundant doubles I had....some I sold away, some I gave away to others that wanted to start off their own collection.

@Frisky Dingo Thanx Frisky! True about the Z8. At least not yet is right. I say in another decade and the Z8 will command big bucks. I LOOOOVE the Z8. I did not want to include the Jensen as I never liked it and I had a hard time deciding whether the Z8 should be on the list because of the value criteria. I wanted the list to be ENTIRELY made up of European bodies and American Muscle but the 5th choice eluded me. I could have went with a couple of Italian massaged Cadillacs but I really wanted to have a Muscle Car feel and not a luxo cruiser feel in my temperature controlled dream garage . The the Pantera came to mind, but the Pantera is not a $500 000 car either and I do prefer the Z8 over the Pantera.... so the Bimmer won out! @Cubical-aka-Moltar Thanx Mr. Cubical! I bet these cars are breathtaking in person! I never saw these in person myself. I know about them through various documentaries as far removed from automobilia as one could get....example: documentaries on the lives of pop figures like The Rat Pack....or Elvis...and the story leads up to these peoples' cars.... I never liked the Jensen...nobody is perfect. OH...about that Corgi Dual-Ghia model... What scale is it? I have 69....yes 69! I have 69 scale 1:18 die cast model cars!

So true! But, it takes a buyer that knows what it is he is looking at (the wrecked car) in that it takes a connaisseur, a veritable car guy, to accurately identify what is reparable with safety in mind and cost effectiveness and a repair guy that knows how to repair and is honest enough to repair correctly without cutting corners putting future owners in danger.

Snooty park (One way or other....I dont deprive myself from American Muscle!!!) 1. 1962-1964 Facel Vega ii 383 cu.in. and 413 cu.in Chrysler powered on a French body. 2. 1963-1974 Iso Grifo Italian body and American Muscle 327, 427, 454 Corvette powered as well as 351 Cleveland powered some years 3. 1965-1968 Bizzarrini 5300 GT Strada Italian body and American Muscle 327 Corvette powered. 4. 1956-1958 Dual-Ghia 16.4 The idea for Dual-Ghia came from Eugene Casaroll, who formed Dual Motors in Detroit, Michigan to build an exclusive car at a moderate price. The design was based on four 1954 and 1955 Chrysler concept cars, named the Firearrow II, III, and IV and the Firebomb, which had all been designed by Virgil Exner. The Dual-Ghia car was designed by Chrysler. The design was fairly conservative with single headlamps and slab-sided features, small conservative fins and no styling gimmicks. A four-place convertible was the only offering. A Dodge frame and drive-train was transported to Italy, where the bodywork and interior was fabricated by the Italian Coachbuilder Ghia. Performance was excellent, due to the cars being powered by the small 315 cu in (5.2 L) Dodge hemispherical-head short-stroke V-8 engine. 5. 1999-2003 BMW Z8 4.9 liter BMW V8 from the E39 M5. This has Italian body language with American hear t and soul from a German point of view. It fits in PERFECTLY with the list I just made!

Trailer park 1. 1974 Impala coupe-leave alone except for cosmetics sentimental value 2. 1979 Chevrolet Impala coupe- leave alone except for cosmetics sentimental value Yeah...I know...you said 4 doors....well, these aint exactly sought after classic 2 door Impalas either like a '58 or '64....and the 1979 I chose had a 305 catalytic converter disaster under the hood! 3. 1965 or 1966 Opel Diplomat- Id swap the engine (these did come with V8s) for GM's 2.0T 4 cylinder and modernize the suspension and brakes and the car needs to be in silver. Sentimental Value 4. 1970 Pontiac Catalina sedan Id leave it as a junker... Why? Sentimental value. I grew up in a neighborhood where a neighbor had one in his front yard. While the car was new then and in good condition, his front yard was a big mess and had another junkyard car laying around. Old tires everywhere....I cant envision what the other car was as I was too young to remember it so it might as well be the Catalina that gets the junked treatment of my memoirs. It will be driveable, but it be dented and the rust would be left alone and clearcoated. Its weird how I remember the Catalina though! 5. 1990-1992 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo T-Top As is except for cosmetics