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BUMP... Maybe you should take head in your own advice THIS WAS THE FIRST ONE........ STOP LYING! IF DREW LETS YOU HAVE YOUR TANTRUM AND LETS YOU GET AWAY WITH IT, I WONT! I WILL SACRIFICE MYSELF TO PUT YOU BACK INTO YOUR PLACE! DREW YOU COULD BAN ME...I DONT GIVE A SHYTE! STOP LYING AND PLAYING THE VICTIM!
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And of course the Big Man makes a negative down... WHY? Because a Chevy Trax, BMW X1/X3, Honda CRV, Nissan Rogue and the like are NOT CUVs? Because a Chevy Trax, BMW X1/X3, Honda CRV, Nissan Rogue and the like are engineered to haul 8000 lbs worth of boat? Because Latte drinking soccer moms dont drive Escalades and F-150s and Yukons and Tahoes and Silverados rather than hauling boats and trailers everyday? GUILT. He knows what he done. Its GUILT! Or...sometimes he likes to play the victim/martyr card... But but....you and him will tell me not to focus on the poster! Yet...he whines a lot MAKING IT ABOUT HIM!!!
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Problem is: and most of these arent capable to haul traliers and boats... Then there are these: where these are all show and no go for hauling trailers and boats... SHYTE....even the ones that are meant to haul boats and trailers: MOST OF THOSE GO TO SOCCER MOMS WHO HAUL THEIR PRECIOUS LITTLE BRATS TO SCHOOL AND THEN THESE SOCCER MOMS GO TO THE STARBUCKS TO DRINK THEIR LATTES WAITING FOR THE LOVER TO CHEAT ON THEIR HUSBANDS!!! Again Wings, EXCUSES EXCUSES IS WHAT YOU SPEW! Oh yes you did... I quoted you! This is the one...where Drew removed the content.... The FIRST in a series of which I engaged in also to that post... STOP LYING!
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The physics is there. One needs to break ground. Rome was not built in a day, but you have to start somewhere. Europe is taking a first step. Tesla too. But in America we are waiting for Tesla to do it all on their own but laugh when we see they are losing money and cheer for their demise. The science is definitely there!!! Funny..as Michigan is preventing Tesla in selling its cars directly to its customers.... Your thought process is only justified when it suits YOUR agendas..but not when its the other way around...
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Not in Europe Ford and GM are not taking a slow and conservative approach... Hell..Europeans are not either.... There is NO REASON for America and Americans to be slow.... Elon Musk's Tesla is HEADQUARTERED IN THE USA and TESLA BUILT ITS OWN EV INFRASTRUCTURE 5 YEARS IN THE MAKING ALREADY!!! EXCUSES EXCUSES IS ALL I HEAR!
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Blanket statement as ALL NEW TECHNOLOGIES are restrictive and costly... What @A Horse With No Name had as a blanket statement regarding America of the 1950s and 1960s is more to my liking... Your Feta being spoiled: Yes its true: Ford and GM are spending money on EVs....but the REAL CHANGE is HAPPENING in Europe according to the OP... In YOUR country...the USA....there are DETRACTORS singing a great tune of making America great again....yet GM in YOUR country, is BLOCKING Tesla in selling directly to its customer base and people like YOU defend that! People like YOU ELECTED Trump and one of Trump's promises is to redirect monies into the fossil fuel business...no mention of an elaborate EV infrastructure like what is gonna happen in Euroland... So....you could take the easy way out and say to me I focus on you, but in reality, I just keep on plugging the same message: All YOU give me is excuses. ACTIONS or in the US' case....INACTIONS speak louder than words!
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PS: I am VERY proud of those Ancient Greeks. For those very reasons you mentioned. I LOOOVE YOU AMERICANS just because Americans have those very same Ancient Greek qualities!
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Yeah but @A Horse With No Name WHEN Wings argues, he trolls first, THEN he discusses rationally. I play his game. But I go to his jugular IMMEDIATELY so I could get his HONEST opinion out as quickly as I can. I like Wings a lot. I just play his game better than he does!
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I dont know why the detractors are sooooo negative about this whole thing. All @ocnblu has to say is that some of us are dreamers...yet the irony is that some far off lands are making that dream come true. Making his statement false and at the same time making that statement about him being a dreamer.... How? Well, if a dream is worked hard at to become a reality, it aint a dream anymore, its reality... And if a detractor like @ocnblu is soooooo not wanting to change and THAT is his dream so things stay the same, but they wont, and all signs point that EVs ARE the future, then in turn HE becomes the dreamer... Its quite deep! This man dreamt a little dream, and he too had detractors. They called him a dreamer...
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It aint... Its about YOUR inability to accept change and YOU trying to DETRACT with lame excuses.. Archimedes is Greek. So are you. Archimedes was ballsy. YOU are not. GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND A LEVER LONG ENOUGH AND I WILL MOVE THE WORLD! There is a message there for YOU to decipher. Dont cry about it. Argue like how we Greeks argue. With logic. Logic. A Greek word AND thought process... The American people that have your thought process have lost that pioneering spirit they once had. Like Mr. Horse said, people like you want the future, but dont want to work at it... An infrastructure NEEDS to be put into place.... When the horseless carriage was first made in the late 1880s and continued on into the 1900s, there was no infrastructure for it. THAT did not matter as humans at THAT point in time still lived like Archimedes lived... Today though, the automobile and the computer has altered our lives a lot. If an electric infrastructure is NEVER to be put into place, the EV will NEVER take flight as too many people like yourself who have hidden biases AGAINST the EV will ALWAYS detract with FALSEHOODS... This argument AINT about YOU personally. But it IS about YOUR blatant LIES!!! Stop lying!
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So much for the pioneering spirit of those first Americans trying to colonize the West.... So much for the pioneering spirit of Henry Ford.... So much for Wings being Greek. Archimedes is rolling in his grave hearing Wings' excuses.....
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That is your response? Not every red blooded American has a boat or trailer... In fact, most Americans dont enjoy that life style... Actually, most Americans could benefit GREATLY from DAILY DRIVING a PURE EV... Its not as if red blooded Americans go to the Hamptons DAILY with their boats... If a red blooded American could own a boat, a red blooded American could own a SUV of some sort as a SECOND car to tow said boat...in fact, MANY red blooded Americans own MULTIPLE cars...owning a pure EV as a primary car wont affect the red blooded American Dream lifestyle... Sorry Wings...try again....because this logic you have put forth does not pass muster...just poor excuses to not want to adapt to what is happening...
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In 2009, my wife drove around in a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder Mazda 3 sedan. Flimsy body panels, cheap plasticky interior. Too bloody small for my tastes. Especially for my daily driven tastes. But...fun to drive the little bugger was...so... my first choice would be: They say the 3Speed has too much torque steer making it not fun to drive. OK...ill just take the 2.3 liter sedan one instead. 3speed pictured. Only because I like the way the 3Speed looks. Second choice: We would still own that Mazda 3, but I decided that I have a heart so when my deadbeat (he aint a deadbeat anymore) brother-n-law decided to get a job, he needed a car, so I, without the consent of my wife, his sister, I gave him the car. My mother-n-law gave me some cash for it and that is when I bought the wife the 2013 1.6liter ecoboost Fusion. I love driving that car too. So... But it be the 2.0 ecoboost The other day, a good customer of mine bought a used Super Epsilon Impala. He had a W-Body Impala SS. The V8 one. Actually, he still has it. 300 000 kilometers(180 000 miles or so), doors in the back wont open. A few dents. Muffler needs replacing but the motor and transmission are in good shape. He is selling it for $1000 CDN. So, For this thread, Im buying it. I did own an Impala SS myself for real. A 2005 3.8liter supercharged one... Im sure I could find a 2015 Ford Mustang ecoboost for about 20 000... And for the new car. I believe a Chevy Cruze starts below 20 grand. So that.
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................... Kinda removes all your theories about the whole matter really. Irony, the company you work for will help Europe with all that crazy EPA stuff and any compromises EVs have...but the US will have to wait because the US is sooooo ahead of the curve here... As for the rest...you brought the heat unto yourself. No crazy talk, huh? LOL
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Its not....its YOUR message that YOU keep on pounding.... LOL So....riddle me this Batman. Any rebuttals or are you gonna laugh out loud whining your name was mentioned because YOUR message is stupid?
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So much for your compromised EV theory, huh Wings? So...when will Americans start buying EVs? And Ford and GM will help build that network in Europe... Wings, you are one funny guy....
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WINGS.... From the article from the OP There is a message there.... Its there for you .... to decipher... GM and Ford have decided to spend money on European soil for this.... Good luck with the slogan that says something about making something or other great again... Wings...I dont know where the phoque YOU get YOUR info from.... All the Nordic European nations including Germany are gonna ban the sale of gasoline engined cars in the next 20-30 years... Paris, France is where all this started out in a treaty that many countries signed....California as a State agrees...1-2 years ago... Toyota itself has said it will stop producing gasoline powered cars in 20-30 years from now.... I dont know what your link says, quite frankly I dont give a damn.... My info can be googled at any time....feel free to do so.. EVs are THE thing going forward.... Its funny as Ford and GM also thinks that....but in Europe only.... America is starting to become ass backwards as Europe and Greece once were... Not so much in Canada though.... Well....Western Canada is a toss up... There are a lot of Tories down that way though, explains a lot!
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...... Comeback of the decade? Detroit is Toronto's suburb... Get outta here with that garbage you spew including your misdirections that Americans will buy EVs when EVs will have no compromises... 1. EVs NOW have no compromises. 2. The rest of the world sees that....Americans like yourself like to have a blindfold across your eyes... OH...YOUR links are usually full of shyte!!! PS... The focus is NOT on you.... YOU want it to be on you.... Like I said....getta outta here with that crap that you spew regarding EVs, Europe, Canada and your whining that I am focusing on you.. YOUR message is flawed, full of shyte and flat out lies....
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DOW is up in record high numbers....HA!!! De-regulation in the 1980s by the guy you have in the pic there started a greed on Wall Street that continues on today... I cringe when I hear anything coming out of Wall Street because I simply don't trust ANYTHING they say... Ford of Europe and GM of Europe's shares probably went up...which benefits Detroit headquarters...but that is good for Europe's future not America's...
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Wings...this is about the EV infrastructure...in Europe... .... And yes...If the US would embark on building a 350kW infrastructure in North America. Canada and Mexico would jump on board and we could have a new Industrial revolution...
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I did not think of the Brexit...I forgot about it...OOPSIES! but it sure is an interesting time...
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I think they are willing. Tesla could boost their own flagging car industry. Tesla could put a boost in their industry. Maybe at the expense of Citroen or Peugeot or Renault? It don't matter. If their car industry could still employ Frenchies...and their factories don't end up being vacant.... Germany has put a strangle hold on many European car manufacturing countries... Letn us not go too far into this... Bottom line is that Europe and its people are looking into the future to try to better their transport and pollution. To better the lives of every European. To live in a European Dream.
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I aint arguing there! But...Tesla could move their headquarters to another country. Sure the mega battery factory will still be in the States, but they could move their headquarters elsewhere...and France... France already has told Tesla they could use one of their old Nuclear electricity producing plants to use for building their cars AND France WILL fit the bill for converting that plant if they choose to move there... If Europe surpasses the USA for electric car sales along with China...Tesla might bolt out of the US...with little money involved as I imagine England or some Nordic country would court them with France...
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Coincidently...that is why I think Tesla will survive and continue on... Because the both the industry and the people view Tesla as the benchmark. The industry does not want to admit this...but the consumer is not shy to express that opinion. Tesla is the one to continue to innovate AND IMPLEMENT these changes without HESITATION. Unless Tesla STOPS their passion for electrification and another player sweeps in to take their place...I don't see Tesla stumbling. We make fun of Tesla with some of their moves and decisions... But this is a NEW formula where nothing is written to base of what must be done. Tesla is the one to write the formula going forward and many of their ideas WILL be misses. But THAT is how technology rolls anyhow...like I said...if Tesla continues with their passion for electrification...Tesla aint going nowhere but forwards. Europe and China sadly...looks like THEY will be the NEXT hubbub of giving us the way of how we humans live in the current future and will leave the USA in the dust...in the past... Make America Great Again... Sure!