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I fearlessly predict that Sergio's not too worried right now. He's probably booking a flight to Wolfsburg as we speak. Operation Eiche...but in reverse? I like that 1970s Fiat 124 that is pictured...the modern Miata based 124...the jury is still out in that one...

Well...The Quebec Nordiques SHOULD get a hockey team...because its a shame for a beautiful arena like that to go to waste... Now that the Habs finished their pre-season game...unto the Blue Jays I go to see what is happening there... EDIT: Damn...the game is over...

I had to google to find out who is Stefano Dimera Now I understand why you were ashamed to smile...and OCNBLU...you too..should be ashamed... Soap operas...*sheesh*

About Chris Elliott? He made a couple of movies in the 1990s and early to mid 2000s...What about Mary, Cabin Boy, King Pin, and a family favorite during winter days...Snow day and many others... Today? I dont really know.

To be honest..I know not much about Ford. Only what we heard of him through the news...which was...of course..the bad stuff... That is why I DONT want Harper...Quebecois and Quebec are NOT a nation within a United Canada....we are ALL effin' Canucks...no iffs, buts or ands.. No one Canadian is more Canadian then the next and no one Canadian is a special kind of Canadian...except me of course...Im special... That and the F-35....He keeps pushing it...even when the US Air Force dont want it... Yup...Greece now...has been given the tools to dig up their mess...its time for them to do some diggin' The latest talks...Tsipras made some long term decisions that should benefit Greece...and Germany and Europe actually agreed to them...and to help...but it takes Greeks to do some very heavy lifting...in their own country...something that admittedly...did not do in the past... Granted...Wars...independant freedom wars...civil wars, World Wars and foreign wars might have taken front and center...but like I keep on harpering...that is in the past...they are in the Euro-Zone...and finally, Europe is actually acting unified...

I love Chris Elliott. I used to watch David Letterman on NBC in the 1980s and loved it when Elliott was a guest...but I dont remember this show...

- Euro-Zone wanted Greece...or else Greece would not have gotten in... - non-industrial small countries... This I agree...but...pertaining to Greece...Greece is in the Euro-Zone...what did the Euro-Zone do to help protect Greece from a world wide bank melt down? The first austerity measures were put into place to help German Banks get outta trouble through the backs of Greeks... With that aside...what else did the Euro-Zone do to not only to help Greece...but Spain, Italy, Portugal? Let us not forget that Spain and Italy actually do have industry.... And what is France's problem? You know...France is almost in the same danger as Greece...but they actually build shyte...and they also sell military hardware to anybody that wants to buy it... Yeah..I know...socialism... Quebec...social programs....actually...THAT is NOT what is KILLING Quebec...1 million plus Anglos leaving...many HQ corporations leaving Montreal to go to Toronto...because of the threat of separation and language laws... Ontario...WTF is their problem? I dont know...Mayor Ford spent all that Ontario money on hookers and cocaine? When the Province of Quebec and Montreal were THE economy of Canada...all things were well...and THAT includes Quebec GIVING to the West...so...the West MIGHT AS WELL GIVE BACK to the East today... As far as Mulcair and Trudeau go...I wish one was Layton and the other Pierre Elliot....but since both are no longer with us...like you...both names will not be crossed off...I need to see which of the two corresponds with my vision of Canada better... Quebec is on its way again...thanx to Couillard and Montreal too thanx to Mr Mayor Coderre...

Like I said....you have no clue to why Greece's economy has failed...that are MANY reasons... I aint blaming SOLELY Germany and NOT blaming Greeks and their decisions...but Germany's banks have had a stranglehold on Greece's economy for a loooong time... I aint hatin' on the rich... No where did I say I hate the rich... You like to assume... This is why you cant grasp the knowledge of why Greece's economy failing...you assume what you hear is correct...but dont care to learn the REAL truth... You could give a pass corrupt corporate culture...and THAT is why in 2015 the planet is in the shytes...because YOU blindly defend the decisions some bankrupted morally individuals are doing... No...I aint better than them...the thing is...my restaurant is run MORE ethically than VW execs...am I perfect? NO! To say that I hate the rich...DUDE...I OWN A RESTAURANT...IM A BUSINESSMAN...You cant get more capitalist than that!!! I wanna know though... Is how Capitalism gets confused with I CAN DO WHATEVER THE PHOQUE I WANT, THE PHOQUE WITH WHAT THE LAWS SAYS AND THE PHOQUE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES? THAT my friend is NOT what capitalism is... A TRUE capitalist RESPECTS the LAWS of the land...and is MORAL and ETHICAL... A CRIMINAL is NOT a CAPITALIST... PS...You EVEN ADMITTED that to a degree...SOME socialist countries can and do succeed....so...there goes YOUR argument... PSS: Winston Churchill was HATED the first time around he paraded in office...WW2 was the reason he was loved...LEADERSHIP qualities that the other guy did not have...ans so a GREAT PM... PSSS: The United States of America has MORE social programs than Canada has...

And I guess you want to equate that to Greece... You got lots to learn about why the Greek economy has failed in the Euro-Zone... Coincidently on why the German one has SOARED since 2002... France/Italy/Portugal/Spain/Greece....yup they are failing... Blame socialism all you want...that is the EASY thing to do... Like I said...it aint because Greeks are lazy...or their politicains corrupt... But its OK...you are right... Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill Just dont tell that to the Finns, Swedes, Norwegians and to a certain degree, Canadians... Hell...even NAZI GERMANY... Irony...a socialist program was called upon by Hitler for Germans to own that KDF VW Bug...

This goes back to the 1990s....and the Euro-Zone wanting Greece to be in it... Goldman and Sachs has something to do with that...as well as German Banks... And ...the Euro-Zone...unlike in Canada...where the Provinces get transfer payments from the Federal Government and where ALL Provinces pitch in...and the Federal Government does its darndest to actually try get new jobs for the country and to equally displace these new found jobs...the Euro-Zone...mainly Germany were content to brain drain Greece and just make Greece live off of their fat of the land...you know...Tourism and Feta Cheese and Olive oil... Greece is but a small country....how much olive oil do you think she makes? How much do you think Germany pays for this olive oil? How many VWs do you think Greek buy? Who builds those VWs? Fair trade? Yeah...or I should say Ja! Dont forget that Greece ALWAYS had a trade deficit... Like I said...tourism goes down...BILLION dollar industry for Greece....and Greece is KAPUT... WHat does Germany do to HELP Greece...NEIN! Raise INTEREST RATES!!! But Greeks dont work...because their economy is not an industrial one... Sure...we could blame the hundreds of years BEFORE...the Ottoman Empire...and the corrupt crooked Greek politicians...the thing is...Greece is now part of the Euro-Zone...has been since 2002...never you mind the cooking of the books that Goldman Sachs did with German banks to squeeze Greece in ofr 2002...but of course...that SOLELY FALLS ON GREECE, right? This is but a huge discussion...waaaaay beyong Volks ala Wagen... And this thread IS about Volks ala Wagen... So yeah... just as how some Americans will NEVER forgive GM/Ford/Chrysler for the 1980s/1990s and for Pinto fires and Cobalt Igntion switches and K-Cars and the bankruptcy as I will NEVER forgive VW/Mercedes for WW2 and now for VW polluting... Tit for tat is what I say... And at the end of the day...buying a Veedub aint good for OUR economy... Maybe for some models that are built in Mexico...but then again...TDi 'Clean' diesels aint so clean...

Yeah...I know.. 1918...Treaty of Versaille...leading to WW2... I understand all that... It took a helluva a looooong time for the Israelis to warm up to them Germans... Maybe this had something to do with it... Dont worry though...this Nazi argument I got going on is just for show...but not really... The Jews might have forgotten...but THIS GREEK boy hasnt... I did forget...for a little while... But the last couple of years...memories kept coming back... And all that...it aint because Greeks are corrupt people or lazy... But German corrupt banking and politics that helped Greece sink...and the promise of the FIRST AUSTERITY measures did NOTHING to help Greece but ONLY help Germany... OK..NOW I am taking this too far...but am I really? I dont feel like protecting German jobs... why? 1. Greece 2. I live in North America...Id rather buy American...Im just as proud to be Canadian as I am Greek...and Im just about as proud to wave the American flag over ANY Euro one... And knowing that VW is screwing me, lying to me...I say phoque VW...and I say it quite easily I might add...

And according to Bosch...VW was well aware...and Bosch warned them its ILLEGAL to install in the cars... As per Casa's link...so... yeah...stay sick and tired of people pointing fingers at corporate greed...but be EVEN MORE sick and tired of disgusting bankrupted morally CEOs and EXECs that take advantage of us...

You are thinking way too deep here. Nazi's and cooperate greed? The truth is we each if put in the right place with the right temptation or pressure have the ability to do something of this nature or even something more sinister. It is in the nature of everyone born. When it all comes down do you have the strength and caricature to choose wisely? Most people don't because they are worried about themselves or for the wrong reasons. While this was a dishonest choice of a company I can show you people on the environmental side that have done things as bad or worse because they deemed it a worthy move like burning new building projects and God only knows how many Hummers were burned. Sorry but that is not any better either. I am tired of people pointing the finger at Cooperate Greed. It is all of us. No matter if you believe in God or not we have taken right and wrong from our society and people do as they will with no shame or moral compass anymore. Ill get back to the Nazis part...I did say melodrama...because Im Greek...meaning Im trolling...but not really...Ill explain later... Listen...we cannot worry about what our neighbor does...if he wants to throw his Tim Hortons coffee cup on the ground...its his problem...and ours...but if a cop sees him...he will face a fine... Of course its in all of us to sin. To be envious... To be gluttonous. To covet thy neighbour's wife. To pollute... The problem is... That most of us dont run a company... I do. I own a restaurant. I run my restaurant ethically and morally and WITHIN the laws... I dont pollute... I dont sell spoiled foods... It is MY PERSONAL duties as well as my PROFESSIONAL duties concerning my community and my town and my planet... It starts with us? Of course it starts with you and me...so... I wont pollute and YOU dont pollute... What about big corporations? Well...its up to THEM NOT to pollute... What is our recourse? Well...thank GOD we have LEGAL entities like the EPA to protect us and OUR environment... And hopefully drop the CRIMINAL CHARGES upon those that dont comply... What else can we do? Maybe boycott? Sure...but that comes AFTER the fact... We CANT boycott a company if we think that company is on the up and up... And THIS is where the NAZI part comes in... We are SOOOOOOO bloody quick to forgive and forget...

Company's and Corporations and the HUMANS THAT RUN THEM have a MORAL Obligation...an ETHICAL Obligation...to 1. be moral, 2. be honest and not false advertise 3. to be just and to treat its employees fairly giving them fair wages and safe environments to work in 4. to respect the environment it does business in... VW AG went wrong on 3/4 of those basic things...

HA! Like I said...corporate greed is what we should get rid of... AND THAT is how we do it... CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS LEADING TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS LEADING TO GUILTY CRIMINAL JUDGEMENTS... How can the buying public be aware of any wrong doing when commercials like these are played? and even the LEGAL entities that test these cars have approved them... As far as the consumer goes...VW AG is a very green company... VW AG FRAUDED the BUYING PUBLIC.... THERE WAS NO WAY TO KNOW THAT...UNTIL THE HAMMER DROPPED. UNTIL THE SKY FELL UPON VW AG's HEAD... UNTIL THE FLOOR COLLAPSE UNDERNEATH THEM... This is a response to another post in another thread as well... If the evidence holds that these people KNEW and WILLFULLY FRAUDED the buying public as well as WILLFULLY KNOWING THAT THEIR CARS ARE POLLUTING and NOT WITHIN THE EPA's LIMITS....let these people rot in JAIL!!! Finally make a bloody example of them so other corrupt EXECS and CEOs CEASE to take US for bloody idiots!!!

Nah...that Speed 6 looks like a bloated Aston Martin. Im not sure what they should do either...the only thing that comes to mind is something that very few manufactures have done...Toyota has...is to re-release an old model and offer modern suspension and ABS brakes and airbags...ie...modern safety equipment,,,and resell it to the public with limited numbers. Toyota did that with their Land Cruiser 70. I propose they re-manufacture a classic from their past. I dont know...a Bentley Blower from the late 1920s-1930s perhaps... maybe that proposal is tooooo much car enthusiasm for the average billionaire? I dont know...if I was a billionaire...Id be more inclined to show off with something vintage...modern...but vintage than a Mulsanne...but that is just me...Im quirky that way... Id rather you call me a connaisseur...

Stop horsing around people. You are making enough asses out of yourselves with these lame duck jokes. We could continue with this monkey business until the cows come home. The truth of the matter is, we are beating a dead horse with the elephant in the room, which is badgering us to death with this dog and pony show. Ive had it up to here with this cock and bull story. So im gonna stop piggybacking all of this and ill take the bull by the horns because there is more than one way to skin a cat to finally stop...

I ran out of editing time... IE...VW CEOs should not only get the axe...THEY should get HEAVILY fined PERSONALLY (enough to bankrupt them personally, because they have bankrupted morals and ethics) and sent to jail...ITS CRIMINAL what they did...to frauding the public with FALSE claims of what their products do and for KILLING the planet KNOWINGLY and WILLFULLY...

Sure...there are far worse things that cause far worse air pollution...but just because VW's 'clean' diesel pollutes less than other sources of air pollution...it DOES NOT MAKE IT LESS PROBLEMATIC therefore LESS PUNISHABLE...pollution is still pollution... Ted Bundy is no less a monster than Adolf Hitler because the death count is less... Like I said...I have more of a problem with corrupt corporate culture than the actual VW circumventing thing in itself...but...Im still peeved at the fact that VW promoted and marketed and sold to the citizens of the world that their diesels are actually compliant with the EXISTING laws...THEY LIED to the citizens of the world...THIS SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LIGHTLY...its part of the corrupt corporate culture that we need to change...

The Encore is not luck...GM/Buick saw a niche in the making and decided to dip into it...and Buick had nothing to lose....like you said...all Buick had was the Enclave in the SUV/CUV market...and noticed that other small CUV type vehicles from other makes were selling not too shabby, so GM/Buick took a relatively risk free bet...

There is one civic address that I wouldnt mind living in... 1600. I wouldnt want the job that comes with the house though. It ages you quite fast. The job that is...not the house itself...

Yup...I know... There was a hidden message with my post too in response to that...I saw something else other than the "white people" schtick...a little more closer to MY home...

You are full of mistakes... 1. Mistaken that El K is American...It was Mulroney for us Canucks in '88...#mulroney88!!! 2. El K is not of Greek decent...Wings and I are...so...Id be careful in how I say things around here... because although cheersandgears might be headquartered in the US...and on your side of things it might very well be Bubblewrap County, USA...on my side of the internets... THIS IS... And if you dont like that...what that dude on top said afterwards... So...How do you like them apples?

Yes...it is a very complex issue. Especially when there might be other automakers with diesel engines that may not be so clean...I have a feeling..VW may not be the only one to circumvent...however, they did get caught regardless if first and more automakers to come or the only ones... However...contrary to how you and others feel about it...and yes..very clever...ingenious...but... http://adage.com/article/cmo-strategy/audi-s-truth-engineering-ads-back-bite-amid-probe/300472/ That link contains a video clip link about an Audi commercial that aired during last week's Emmys... It aint easy being green....touting the new Audi A3 hybrid... Also... The Green Police....Superbowl Commercial a while back... I dont know about you...I dont enjoye being LIED too...being made FUN of...being TRICKED and FOOLED... Well...the government HAS to legislate fossil fuel cars...look how VW is trying to circumvent...you say they are desperate...I say they arent trying hard enough...these are German engineers after all...nothing but the best, right? They did help get America to the moon, right? Rockets...Arthur Rudolph and Wernher von Braun were German engineers...*COUGH-NAZIs-COUGH* that America hired after the war...to not only get to the moon, but ballistic missiles...I mean...if German engineering can get to the moon, surely a few MPGs may not be that hard to gain...after all, these NAZI minded VW engineers did think of a VERY SLY way to CIRCUMVENT... A little bird told me that anabolic steroids were also of a NAZI regime era invention...and the East Germans totally used that during the Olympics FIRST....it seems to me that Germans are MASTERS of CHEATING!!! So there is that! About Tesla and battery charging and not enough stations... Quebec has thought of a nice plan...but I wont talk about Hydro-Quebec's solution...I read this past week of an ingenious way that the Brits are thinking about...and it involves a technology that is similar to wireless charging systems for smart phones... http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/advanced-cars/british-highway-will-recharge-your-batteries-as-you-drive http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/18/technology/uk-electric-cars-roads/ http://www.citylab.com/commute/2015/08/the-uk-is-testing-roads-that-recharge-your-electric-car-as-you-drive/401276/ Three links...choose and read one of them... So...there is that also... I know...Im just trying to give you an intelligent rebuttal.... Yeah...it honestly put a small smile on my face...but my rebuttal to you is really how I feel...I dont like being duped and made fun of...especially when destroying the planet is concerned...yeah...those commercials are the culprit of my frustrations... I am NOT a tree hugger....but I certainly dont condone pollution...but its this corporate marketing BS that I HATE the most...Green Police...It aint easy being green...while true dont lie that VW AG is a "green" company when KNOWINGLY you circumvent laws... The painting of ALL Germans in 2015 as Nazis is just me being melodramatic...Im Greek after all...its what we do... Im more or less in agreement with the rest of your post... As far as VW/Porsche/Mercedes and Hitler...GM and Ford were also tied to Hitler....GM...through Opel...produced Nazi Germany's transport trucks... The USA hired Von Braun...NASA, GM and Von Braun collaborated together...Id say the Nazi thing is played out enough... PS...I more peeved at this world wide corporate culture society that lets corporate greed rule us than the actual VW emissions scandal...this corrupt corporate culture needs to stop world wide...

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