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Dont divulge any info please... Im waiting for the family to go to bed before I watch it...I recorded it. Romo injured....

I see you burnt valve LS7... You see...I see a small trace of where you have been last...continue your childish ways...downvote like a moron...

On no...even Quebecois dont like French cars... Sure...there are some...sorta like those Richard Hammond types that buy them V8 Mustangs over in England...but they definitely dont smoke Gauloise if that is what you mean... They might drink Stella Artois from time to time...but make no mistake about it...Molson is the way they swing if you know what I mean...I find that Quebecois...are mostly attached to Mazdas and Kias as of late...and for the classics...I think they have an affinity for Mopar Muscle...but definitely no French Cars... Albeit I do remember seeing many Renault 5s..or Le Car for you Yanks...back in the day...and the original DS...but that was then...

Your protests appear to be directed at the wrong person...... and please... how about we just ignore the voting for a bit. OK...But I still dont like it... And Im sorry OCNBLU... it must be Burnt valve LS7 then!!!

Of all of Infiniti's models...these seem to have the most potential for lust worthy performance and want... The world is in a state of SUV craziness anyway...and performance oriented SUVs are getting more and more popular...and these seem to fit the fast image the most of ANY performance SUV of ANY brand...yeah...Ill agree with you...Id start with these as Infiniti's performance halo cars...

PS: No amount of downvotes changes that...

But again the Hellcat will not be around long. Smoke em while you can buy them. The 4 is going to be a major part in the future. You start promoting it now not 10 years from now when you need it. It is simple we have three engines with three diverse attributes and three engines that appeal to three different kinds of buyers. What is wrong with this? We will have a second SC V8 soon there is nothing wrong with any of this. Oh...I understand all of that...nothing wrong with that... However...we are still in the NOW!!! We havent reach Doomsday just yet...so...If I wanna poke fun at ecoboost 4s and turbo ecotecs and wax poetic about V8s that COULD STILL be bought in 2015....then so be it!!!

I see that Burnt LS7 is going on a downvoting spree with me... Chicken shyte!!! The thing is Burnt LS7 Rod...as in Nimrod...you cant change history...oh...you could downvote me all you want...but that Hitler fella...yeah...he and that Porsche fella...they designed the Beetle first to be a WEAPON of WAR...then to be a Volks...Wagen...people's car...

Why OCNBLU? Why you downvote? Is it NOT the truth that Ford uses that as their marketing tour de force... Is it NOT the truth that Lincoln's version was Twin Force at several auto shows but ultimately FoMoCo went with ecoboost as well? You know...OCNBLU...you might not like what I say....but it IS the truth... And THAT is why I hate this downvoting stuff....because some of us let emotions rule our thoughts rather than reality...and hide behind the downvotes... Dont worry though...you dont wanna discuss...the discussion will come to you...its like in Soviet Russia... I bring discussion to you...

Sooooo, just to be clear olds, you have concluded that a successful and planned take rate for I4 GTDI in Europe, as well as a successful V8 take rate......means that EcoBoost marketing in the US is a failure. Ok. I don't follow that logic at all, especially if Ford is selling exactly what they planned, but W/E. Ecoboost in the US is a success? Sure it is!!! When all you do is just slap a turbo on each and every engine you offer in the US and call it an ecoboost... But yeah...W/E...I just like to be unique...I say whatevs...

Dont divulge any info please... Im waiting for the family to go to bed before I watch it...I recorded it.

They will probably sell many...kudos to Ford...but Im also willing to bet that the V8 take rate will mirror that of the U.K.'s... So much for ecoboosting the hype of...ecoboost...

It was an interesting idea... But its not as if Infiniti...technically Nissan in Japan...did not offer 4 door Skylines... Had they did this with Infinity when they brought out the Infinity Skyline known to us a G35...we would not be having this conversation...all they had to do is just follow JDM's path... With that being said...If Infiniti is gonna inherit this power train from the GT-R...Id rather be seeing in this vehicle right here: I think Vettel Edition part II is in order...

I hear you on that...however...for a second time... http://www.autoevolution.com/news/brits-are-proportionally-buying-more-v8-mustangs-than-americans-99184.html http://blog.caranddriver.com/u-k-kicking-americas-butt-when-it-comes-to-ford-mustang-v-8-take-rates/ http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/08/ford-mustang-v8-a-favorite-among-uk-buyers.html High petrol prices in the EU... It sure did not deter... That V8 feel and sound seems important to some...no matter how much pull an ecoboost 4 cylinder has at low RPMs with said benefits of fuel economy...

low end torque from a turbo 4 cylinder and low end torque from a naturally aspirated V8...even when equal amounts at same RPMs STILL does not FEEL the same...and sound IS part of that equation...but NOT the whole story...my god dude...and YOU are supposedly from the Motor City...

Glad to see that you are still a hater... Here...I nice photograph of a nice VW Beetle approx 80 years ago... I think that what VW has done in history is a far worse crime than what GM has done... WHAT??? Yup...VW Beetle underneath those military clothes... I see that you dont want to let go of GM's crap...Im curious though...have you forgiven and forgave VW?

I sometimes feel playful when I discuss things...and when I get this way...my discussions border on the trolly side...but its all in the name of fun...hence why I post dumb unrelated pics and refenrence them to my "discussion"...and its made for EVERYBODY's enjoyment...so...please...enjoy. PS: dont misunderstand though...there is a message that I want to pass...and in this case...Id rather a 5.3 liter V8 for a Camaro over a supercharged 6.2 640 horse ZL-1 Camaro and a 275 horse turbo 4...and even lass...the V6...yup...Id rather the turbo 4 Camaro over the V6... (yes I know...Ford's actual marketing strategy...I did say I feel playful...and trollish... ) Why I would rather the 5.3? 327 cubic inches of naturally aspirated V8 fun... Its the Challenger Hellcat that I want stupendous amounts of supercharged horsepower... As for the Mustang...that flat plane crank Voodoo V8 hits the spot..,.

Thanx Drew....THAT was MY point...and I believe El K's too...hence the Craps and Blackjack references for this so-called argument/discussion...and the links that provide proof that the Brits...also prefer the V8 sound over a turbo 4 and to hell with petrol prices...

Good points. Both boosted pony engines are tuned for both power and economy, which means power gets compromised somewhat as they are divergent targets. I suspect another 10-20hp would have dropped they FE numbers by nearly a whole mpg as well. Can't have that of course. No, I think GM's targets are just fine and plenty of performance for the 90th percentile, because we clearly see how far performance has come with these cars, which is more base performance than top level pony cars from 20 years ago. Sure...but dont tell me that an ecoboosted 4 cylinder feels like a 5.0 from Vanilla Ice days... Sure...that ecoboosted 4 cylinder might make MORE power....be MORE fuel efficient....and it might even be FASTER....but it DEFINITELY does NOT feel like a 5.0... And for a pony car...FEEL is just as important... Im all for technology and moving forward and all...but for heaven's sake...dont tell me a forced induction 4 pot motor feels like a good 'ol American V8... You know...even the Brits are buying more V8 Mustangs...on percentage...than Americans are...what does THAT tell you? http://www.autoevolution.com/news/brits-are-proportionally-buying-more-v8-mustangs-than-americans-99184.html http://blog.caranddriver.com/u-k-kicking-americas-butt-when-it-comes-to-ford-mustang-v-8-take-rates/ http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/08/ford-mustang-v8-a-favorite-among-uk-buyers.html Sorry again olds, but at 320ftlbs so early in the powerband......the current 2.3L has more torque than a Five-Oh from the 80's. Feelings are subjective, but those are the facts. Facts are facts...sure...but it DOES NOT feel like a V8... About those Brits wanting a V8 over the 4 pot....regardless how much they actually pay for petrol...

Good points. Both boosted pony engines are tuned for both power and economy, which means power gets compromised somewhat as they are divergent targets. I suspect another 10-20hp would have dropped they FE numbers by nearly a whole mpg as well. Can't have that of course. No, I think GM's targets are just fine and plenty of performance for the 90th percentile, because we clearly see how far performance has come with these cars, which is more base performance than top level pony cars from 20 years ago. Sure...but dont tell me that an ecoboosted 4 cylinder feels like a 5.0 from Vanilla Ice days... Sure...that ecoboosted 4 cylinder might make MORE power....be MORE fuel efficient....and it might even be FASTER....but it DEFINITELY does NOT feel like a 5.0... And for a pony car...FEEL is just as important... Im all for technology and moving forward and all...but for heaven's sake...dont tell me a forced induction 4 pot motor feels like a good 'ol American V8... You know...even the Brits are buying more V8 Mustangs...on percentage...than Americans are...what does THAT tell you? http://www.autoevolution.com/news/brits-are-proportionally-buying-more-v8-mustangs-than-americans-99184.html http://blog.caranddriver.com/u-k-kicking-americas-butt-when-it-comes-to-ford-mustang-v-8-take-rates/ http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/08/ford-mustang-v8-a-favorite-among-uk-buyers.html

Sorry folks... But but we are talking about a forced induction engine versus a naturally aspired one... Turbo charge or supercharge a V8 or a V6... Here...this is what a SUPERCHARGED V8 looks like... I understand Hyper... But at the end of the day...its still a 4 cylinder under the hood...sure 300 horses...Id rather have 300 NATURALLY ASPIRATED horses in V6 or V8 form... Not to sour up what the ecoboost 4 Mustang or turbo 4 Camaro are all about....its a helluva an achievement for both vehicles...however... Dont try to sell me up on it... Id rather an LT1 or LS1 from the 1990s than either 4 pot... That is just me... Im excited to see both of these 4 cylinder versions of both cars what they could do... I understand the different and WELCOME both marketing strategies...however...at the end of the day...a NTAURALLY ASPIRATED 5.3 liter V8 is what Id rather than ANY version of the Camaro...again...that is just me... But dont tell me...no matter what upgrades you do to a turbo 4 cylinder car...that it feels like a V8...because it doesnt... It may be as fast...faster...but it definitely doesnt NOT feel like a naturally aspirated V8... As with the Hellcat on top....yeah...if Im gonna go down a forced induction road...Id rather a suercharged Hemi please...not an ecoboosted 4...

I suppose you are right... Im just quite peeved at this...I want blood! I want somebody to poke at VW...I dont care who it might be! Top Gear had the right idea... Die Volkswagen Die! And no...not in German for THE Volkswagen THE I REALLY mean DIE Volkswagen DIE!!! In GERMAN...courtesy of Google Translate: STERBEN Volkswagen STERBEN

Yeah...but...if its fuel eceonomy you seek...you stick to the 4 cylinder... If its medium power with moderate fuel efficiency....you stick to the 6 cylinder...and if you want raw power... With Ford...buy an ecoboost 4 cylinder for fuel economy.... or Ill rent myself a Mustang from Hertz for the week-end... Ford's I4 Mustang offers it's best fuel economy, and instant torque that feels like a small V8. How foolish would Ford be to offer this for less money than their far weaker V6. Nope...nope it doesnt feel like a small V8...it feels like a turbocharged 4 cylinder car... Weaker V6? Only because Ford chooses it to be weaker...and muffled...and stifled...and left behind to rot in rental car parks...

Yeah...but...if its fuel eceonomy you seek...you stick to the 4 cylinder... If its medium power with moderate fuel efficiency....you stick to the 6 cylinder...and if you want raw power... With Ford...buy an ecoboost 4 cylinder for fuel economy.... or Ill rent myself a Mustang from Hertz for the week-end...

here ya go, this VW thing will be the catalyst (no pun intended) for the tyrants (aka governments) to start to rid the world of diesel http://www.dailymail...green-fuel.html i wonder if GM and Chevy do an about face on an available diesel for the new Cruze here now, after this, Sure they can....they could easily play cut throat advertising and just say their Cruze Diesel does NOT cheat the system and its clean...unlike VW's TDi "clean" diesel.. They could say...EPA tested and approved and NOT circumvented...